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  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited February 2014 Posts: 13,356
    PTS: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Title Track: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Title Credits: GoldenEye
    Main Villain: GoldenEye
    Main Bond Girl: GoldenEye
    Overall Plot: GoldenEye
    Dialogue: GoldenEye
    Score: GoldenEye
    Settings: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Action: GoldenEye
    Humor: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Cinematography: GoldenEye
    Benign Bizarre: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Suspense: GoldenEye
    Minor Characters: GoldenEye
    Glamor: GoldenEye
    Ally: GoldenEye
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    edited February 2014 Posts: 2,483
    It occurs to me that we need a Henchman category in this one. Xenia versus Jaws, anyone?

    PTS: GE
    Title Track: GE
    Title Credits: GE
    Main Villain: Spy
    Main Bond Girl: GE
    Overall Plot: GE
    Dialogue: GE
    Score: Spy
    Settings: Spy
    Action: Spy
    Humor: GE
    Cinematography: Spy
    Benign Bizarre: Spy
    Suspense: GE
    Minor Characters: GE
    Glamor: Spy
    Ally: Spy

    GE: 9
    Spy: 8

    Closer than I expected, actually.
  • delticminerdelticminer
    Posts: 115
    PTS: GE
    Title Track: GE (by the tiniest margin known to man)
    Title Credits: GE
    Main Villain: GE
    Main Bond Girl: GE
    Overall Plot: GE
    Dialogue: GE
    Score: They both suck, but GE if I had a gun to my head
    Settings: GE
    Action: GE
    Humor: TSWLM (neither are very funny tbh)
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: GE
    Suspense: GE
    Minor Characters: GE
    Glamor: GE
    Ally: GE

    Goldeneye 15
    The Spy Who Loved Me 2

    Goldeneye sits in my top 10 and TSWLM is very definitely mid-table.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    PTS: GE
    Title Track: GE
    Title Credits: GE
    Main Villain: GE (TSPWLM has the weakest and worst Bond villain ever)
    Main Bond Girl: GE
    Overall Plot: GE
    Dialogue: GE
    Score: TSPWLM had a good tracks, but pretty unmemorable. GE wins this because of the Overture.
    Settings: GE
    Action: GE
    Humor: GE
    Cinematography: GE
    Benign Bizarre: GE
    Suspense: GE
    Minor Characters: GE
    Glamor: GE
    Ally: GE
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,007
    I don't even need to bother. You lot know where I stand on GE!
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited February 2014 Posts: 12,837
    My favourite Brosnan film vs my favourite Moore film.

    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: GE
    Title Credits: GE
    Main villain: GE
    Main Bond girl: GE
    Overall plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: GE
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: GE
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Bengin Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: GE
    Minor characters: GE (I think GE has the best cast of characters in the series)
    Glamor: TSWLM
    Ally: GE

    Pretty much what I expected, very close but Goldeneye just edges it. 9:8 to GE. I really like both though and they're both in my top 5.
  • YouHaveAnOddJobYouHaveAnOddJob
    Posts: 136
    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: GE
    Main villain: GE
    Main Bond girl: GE
    Overall plot: GE
    Dialogue: TSWLM
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: GE
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: GE
    Bengin Bizarre: GE
    Suspense: GE
    Minor characters: GE
    Glamor: TSWLM
    Ally: GE

    10 - 7 Goldeneye, a super close one on this for sure. I love both so much!
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Creasy47 wrote:
    I don't even need to bother. You lot know where I stand on GE!

    But contributing will help your favorite film come out ahead!
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    edited February 2014 Posts: 5,634
    PTS - Goldeneye
    TT - Goldeneye
    TC - Goldeneye
    MV - Goldeneye
    MBG - The Spy Who Loved Me
    OP - Goldeneye
    Dialog - Goldeneye
    Score - The Spy Who Loved Me
    Settings - The Spy Who Loved Me
    Action - The Spy Who Loved Me
    Humor - Goldeneye
    Cinematog - The Spy Who Loved Me
    BB - The Spy Who Loved Me
    Suspense - The Spy Who Loved Me
    MC - The Spy Who Loved Me
    Glamor - Goldeneye
    Ally - Goldeneye

    Goldeneye - 9 The Spy Who Loved Me - 8
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,823
    Creasy47 wrote:
    I don't even need to bother. You lot know where I stand on GE!

    Let's see if I can assist:

    PTS: GE
    Title Track: GE
    Title Credits: GE
    Main villain: GE
    Main Bond girl: GE
    Overall plot: GE
    Dialogue: GE
    Score: GE
    Settings: GE
    Action: GE
    Humour: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Bengin Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: GE
    Minor characters: GE
    Glamor: TSWLM
    Ally: GE

    13-4 GE wins
  • SlyFox007SlyFox007
    Posts: 414
    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: GoldenEye
    Main Bond Girl: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: TSWLM
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: GoldenEye
    *Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: GoldenEye
    Minor Characters: TSWLM
    Glamor: TSWLM
    Ally: GoldenEye

    4 for GoldenEye, 13 for TSWLM. Always thought GoldenEye was just a tad overrated, while TSWLM is one of my favorite Bond movies of all time.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Well, this fell off rather suddenly. Any last comparisons before this match ends?
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    edited February 2014 Posts: 4,423
    I'll play. I thought I posted in here, but obviously not...

    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: GE
    Main Villain: GE
    Main Bond Girl: GE
    Overall Plot: GE
    Dialogue: GE
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: GE (tank chase)
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: GE
    Minor Characters: GE
    Glamor: TSWLM
    Ally: GE

    Spy - 8
    GE - 9

    Wow, Spy is my fav of these two films!

  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    That should be 8-9 in favor of GoldenEye, @royale65. Nothing personal, I just don't want to get confused when doing the final comparison.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    Computer blindness! I quite understand old boy ;-)
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,230
    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: GE
    Main Villain: GE
    Main Bond Girl: GE
    Overall Plot: GE
    Dialogue: GE
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: GE
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: GE
    Suspense: GE
    Minor Characters: GE
    Glamor: TSWLM
    Ally: GE

    That's 10-7 in favour of GE, for me.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    Posts: 2,629
    GF vs TSWLM

    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: GE
    Main Bond Girl: GE
    Overall Plot: GE
    Dialogue: GE
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: GE
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    *Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: GE
    Minor Characters: GE
    Glamor: TSWLM
    Ally: GE

    GE: 8 TSWLM: 9

    Surprised myself on that one.
  • 00130013
    Posts: 1,817
    PTS: GE
    Title Track: GE
    Title Credits: GE
    Main Villain: GE
    Main Bond Girl: GE
    Overall Plot: GE
    Dialogue: GE
    Score: GE
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: GE
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: GE
    Minor Characters: TSWLM
    Glamor: TSWLM
    Ally: GE

    GE - 11
    TSWLM - 6
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Well, folks, after one of our closest matches yet we have a final score of 236-207 in favor of GoldenEye! A great round for two great films. Truth be told, I was worried GE would lose and then I'd have to give TWINE a real easy match against Moonraker or something.

    On to our next bout, which features two Bond movies that MI6 seems to love, but which I, truth be told, think are overrated (but still worthwhile) in Thunderball and The Living Daylights!

    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TB
    Title Credits: TB (neither is particularly inspired)
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TB (TLD is just too complicated)
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD (never understood the praise lavished on Afghanistan, but it's still more varied than just the Bahamas, beautiful though they may be)
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TLD
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: TB
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD (good old Kamran Shah)
    Glamor: TB
    Ally: TB (Felix vs. Felix, Kamran Shah is under minor characters)

    9-8 for The Living Daylights! Fitting as it beats Thunderball 11 to 14 on the Bond ranking.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited February 2014 Posts: 2,629
    TB vs TLD

    PTS: TLD (Straits of Gilbraltar over drag SPECTRE anyday)
    Title Track: TB
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TB
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: TB
    Settings: TB (Bahamas over Afghanistan any day)
    Action: TLD (Cargo Net Fight wins out)
    Humor: TB
    Cinematography: TB (For it's breakthrough in underwater cinematography)
    Benign Bizarre: TLD
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TB
    Ally: TLD (Saunders, Pushkin and Shah overcame the worst Felix of all time)

    TB 10 TLD 7
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402

    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TB
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: TB
    Settings: TB (Bahamas over Afghanistan any day)
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TB
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: TLD
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TB
    Ally: TLD

    Wow, only 9-8 for TLD. Shocking as it's ten spots above TB for me and infinitely the better film.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,514
    PTS: TB
    Title Track: TB
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TB
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TB
    Settings: TB
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TB
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: TLD
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TLD
    Ally: TLD

    TLD by a hair; I have it on #15 in my rankings, and TB at #16.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited February 2014 Posts: 17,823
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TB
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TB
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: TLD
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TB
    Ally: TLD

    TLD over TB 13 to 4. As expected.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,662
    What are some benign bizarre elements in TB or TLD?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,823
    QBranch wrote:
    What are some benign bizarre elements in TB or TLD?
    Shark pool, "She's just dead", Milk bottles killing, Whitaker's hall of HIM.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,514
    chrisisall wrote:
    QBranch wrote:
    What are some benign bizarre elements in TB or TLD?
    Shark pool, "She's just dead", Milk bottles killing, Whitaker's hall of HIM.

    Good ones; the milk bottles is what gave TLD the edge for me.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,662
    Thanks for the reply @chrisisall

    Hmmm... pretty equal films for me, and both probably in my top 10. Who be the master in this game? ;)

    PTS: TLD (was there any doubt?)
    Title Track: TB
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TB (Domino has given me much pleasure)
    Overall Plot: TLD (I like a more complex plot in my Bond films)
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TB (gotta choose Nassau, but I really like the appeal of Bratislava, Tangier, Vienna)
    Action: TLD (cargo net, Necros vs. Green4- two highlights in the series)
    Humor: TB
    Cinematography: TB (difficult one here, but the underwater scenes were ambitious and enjoyable)
    Benign Bizarre: TB
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TB
    Ally: TLD

    TB= 9
    TLD= 8

    So TB just edges TLD. Not surprising at all.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited February 2014 Posts: 7,314
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD (I guess. Not a huge fan of either one.)
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD (Close call. Could easily change my mind tomorrow.)
    Settings: TB
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TB
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: TB
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TB
    Ally: TB (Van Nutter is bad but Terry takes it to another level.)

    TLD 9 - TB 8
    Another close round for me.
  • SlyFox007SlyFox007
    Posts: 414
    PTS: Thunderball
    Title Track: The Living Daylights
    Title Credits: The Living Daylights
    Main Villain: Thunderball
    Main Bond Girl: Thunderball
    Overall Plot: The Living Daylights
    Dialogue: The Living Daylights
    Score: The Living Daylights
    Settings: The Living Daylights
    Action: Thunderball
    Humor: Thunderball
    Cinematography: Thunderball
    Benign Bizarre: Thunderball
    Suspense: Thunderball
    Minor Characters: Thunderball
    Glamor: Thunderball
    Ally: The Living Daylights

    Thunderball - 10
    The Living Daylights - 7

    Close one. The Living Daylights is one of my favorite Bond movies. Definitely in the top 5. But Thunderball still remains my favorite out of all 23.
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    Posts: 1,596
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TB
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: TB - SO close, but TB is brassy Barry perfection
    Settings: TB
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TB
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: TB
    Suspense: TB - Another close one
    Minor Characters: TB
    Glamor: TB
    Ally: TLD

    12-5 in favor of TB.

    TLD rests right around the #10 spot and is an elite Bond film but TB is in my top 3
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