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  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Any requests for next time? This is a great series, but nothing's jumping out right now.
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    TB versus LALD could be somewhat interesting.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,466
    LALD wins for me as a film alone. Doing the elements would be fun.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    Any requests for next time? This is a great series, but nothing's jumping out right now.
    I like @Perilagu_Khan's suggestion.
    I was also thinking about...
    YOLT vs. OP
    DAF vs. TMWTGG
    TLD vs. GE
    TWINE vs. QoS

    I'm not entirely sure if those have been done before, sorry. Those are all films that are close in my rankings so I don't know if anyone else would like to see them or not. Just my two cents.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    I'll start taking your requests next time around (promise) but inspiration struck last night. Before we do the next contest, the winner of this one, by a margin of 262-246-2 is For Your Eyes Only! Great back and forth battle. Anyway, our next contest will be The Man With the Golden Gun vs. The World is Not Enough. I'll start, as usual...

    PTS: TWINE (overrated, but still better)
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE
    Overall Plot: TMWTGG (still can’t beat Bond vs. world’s greatest assassin)
    Dialogue: TMWTGG (tough to beat Bond and Scaramanga’s dinner conversation)
    Score: TMWTGG (Barry beats non-Barry)
    Settings: TWINE
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: Tie (Christmas coming vs. JW Pepper and Nick Nack? Pass.)
    Cinematography: TMWTGG (TWINE is one of the uglier Bond movies)
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG (gotta give it this one too)
    Suspense: TMWTGG
    Minor Characters: TWINE (not a Nick Nack fan)
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE (damn you, JW Pepper)

    TWINE 9-7-1. Surprisingly strong showing from my least favorite Bond movie (TMWTGG, that is).
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339

    TWINE vs TMWTGG

    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TWINE
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG (2 nipples and a midget.)
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TMWTGG

    TWINE : 9 TMWTGG : 8 (Wow that was damn close,just like in my rankings : TWINE #10 and TMWTGG #12)
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,466
    PTS: TWINE (TMWTGG's is neat and original, but TWINE's is simply superior)
    Title Track: TWINE (not a big fan of either, but dislike TMWTGG's more)
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG (Elektra/Renard are solid, but Scaramanga is one of the series' best)
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG (again, not crazy about either; edge to Mary)
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TWINE
    Score: TMWTGG (John Barry; can't remember TWINE's very well)
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE (Valentin > J.W. Pepper)

    TWINE: 10
    TMWTGG: 7

    Both two of the most underrated Bond films. I enjoy them both, but there was no doubt TWINE was better for me - IMO, Brosnan's second-best after GE.
  • YouHaveAnOddJobYouHaveAnOddJob
    Posts: 136
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TWINE
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TWINE
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TWINE
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TMWTGG
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE

    12-5 This was interesting for me because I quite like both films a lot.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited May 2014 Posts: 16,351
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TWINE
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: TWINE
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TWINE
    Cinematography: TWINE
    Benign Bizarre: TWINE
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE

    TWINE 16
    TMWTGG 1
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    edited May 2014 Posts: 2,483
    PTS: Gun (coolest PTS in the series)
    Title Track: TWINE (best lyrics in series history)
    Title Credits: Gun (ho-hum, but at least they're not ugly like TWINE's)
    Main Villain: Gun (if Renard were the main villain, this would be fairly close)
    Main Bond Girl: Gun (Richards may be the worst)
    Overall Plot: Gun (only because TWINE's plot is hopelessly convoluted)
    Dialogue: Gun
    Score: Gun (an underrated score)
    Settings: Gun (Far East locales are quite good)
    Action: Gun (TWINE's action is some of the most generic in the series)
    Humor: Gun (with Purvis and Wade penning TWINE's bon mots, there's really no question)
    Cinematography: Gun (not close)
    Benign Bizarre: Gun (but I do offer praise for Devil's Breath)
    Suspense: TWINE (a tossup, really, but I'm rather fond of the submarine climax in TWINE)
    Minor Characters: Gun (save Dr. Arkhov, I'm hard pressed to recall a noteworthy minor character in TWINE)
    Glamor: TWINE (a weakness in Gun)
    Ally: Gun (Pepper is lesser than in LALD, but still a slight edge over Zhukovskii)

    Gun 14 TWINE 3

    Sounds about right.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    Both films are low in my rankings, and are close together (TWINE, #19, Gun, #20), so this will be interesting:

    PTS: Tie (the PTS of both films are perhaps better parts of the films, and Gun's is fairly underrated).
    Title Track: TMWTGG (always liked Lulu's song)
    Title Credits: TWINE (Gun's is rather bland)
    Main Villain: TMWTGG (no contest)
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG (Just. Both terrible)
    Overall Plot: TWINE (TMWTGG is too convulated and loses focus)
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: Tie (both have some interesting locations)
    Action: TMWTGG (astro-spiral just tips it)
    Humor: TWINE (Went too far in Gun)
    Cinematography: TMWTGG (both quite dull, but shots of Scaramanga's Island are beautiful)
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TMWTGG
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE

    TMWTGG- 9
    TWINE- 6
    Tie- 2

    Interesting. I do slightly prefer TWINE.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    edited May 2014 Posts: 6,396
    Oh it's like Sophie's Choice. Except in this case I hate BOTH children. ;-)

    PTS: TMWTGG (I think TWINE's is massively overrated and overlong but Gun's isn't much better either)
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG (I'm assuming TWINE's is Dr Jones. Both horrific either way)
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TWINE
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TWINE (Only because it's the last time we see Desmond)
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE

    TWINE wins 10-6. Both films are still pretty pants though.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited May 2014 Posts: 13,355
    PTS: The Man With The Golden Gun
    Title Track: The World Is Not Enough
    Title Credits: The World Is Not Enough
    Main Villain: The Man With The Golden Gun
    Main Bond Girl: The Man With The Golden Gun
    Overall Plot: The World Is Not Enough
    Dialogue: The Man With The Golden Gun
    Score: The Man With The Golden Gun
    Settings: The Man With The Golden Gun
    Action: The Man With The Golden Gun
    Humor: The Man With The Golden Gun
    Cinematography: The Man With The Golden Gun
    Benign Bizarre: The Man With The Golden Gun
    Suspense: The World Is Not Enough
    Minor Characters: The World Is Not Enough
    Glamor: The World Is Not Enough
    Ally: The World Is Not Enough
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TMWTGG
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG (Christopher Lee being family of Fleming and for being Christopher Lee)
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TWINE
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamor: TMWTGG
    Ally: TWINE

    TWINE - TMWTGG 8-9
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    PTS - TWINE (best of the entire series)
    TT - TMWTGG
    TC - TWINE
    MV - TMWTGG
    MBG - not much to choose between in terms of lackluster, but TWINE
    OP - TWINE
    DIALOG - TWINE
    SCORE - TMWTGG
    SETTINGS - TMWTGG
    ACTION - TMWTGG
    HUMOR - TMWTGG
    CINEMA - TMWTGG
    BB - TMWTGG
    SUSPENSE - TMWTGG
    MC - TMWTGG
    GLAMOR - TMWTGG
    ALLY - TWINE

    TMWTGG wins it 11 - 6
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,466
    I surprised at all the support TMWTGG is getting; I've seen it in at least the bottom 5 of almost everyone's rankings that I've looked at. It definitely has its flaws, but I like it as well. TWINE still has a definite edge for me, but they're probably going to end up being fairly close in my rankings when I'm through with my marathon.
  • JohnBarryFanJohnBarryFan
    Posts: 1,405
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TWINE
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE (isn't M the main Bond Girl?)
    Overall Plot: TMWTGG
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: TWINE
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TWINE
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE (again, isn't M the main ally?)
  • Crazysoul95Crazysoul95
    edited May 2014 Posts: 3,336
    PTS: TMWTGG
    Title Track: TMWTGG
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: TMWTGG
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TWINE
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TMWTGG
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE

    TMWTGG = 10
    TWINE = 7
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,572
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TMWTGG
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE
    Overall Plot: TMWTGG
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: TWINE
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TWINE
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG (third nipples; firearm fellatio.. it's all a bit kinky)
    Suspense: TMWTGG
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE

    TWINE: 10
    TMWTGG: 7
    Birdleson wrote:
    I suggest we all do our own totals and not lay it all on our host, Soundofthesinners.
    Yes, a bit of consideration wouldn't hurt anyone.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    edited May 2014 Posts: 4,762
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TMWTGG
    Minor Characters: TMWTGG
    Glamor: TMWTGG
    Ally: TWINE

    The Man with the Golden Gun: 11
    The World is not Enough: 6
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited May 2014 Posts: 2,629
    PTS: TWINE, Too long, but better than the carny show
    Title Track: TMWTGG, Garbage didn't belong on a Bond title track
    Title Credits: TMWTGG, better quality nekked girls
    Main Villain: TMWTGG, Sophia Marceau wouldn't qualify to enter Christopher Lee's acting school
    Main Bond Girl: Neither, I refuse to acknowledge one is better than the other if it doesn't involve Jinx
    Overall Plot: TWINE, I could have gone either way, but I decided to give TWINE a chance to catch up
    Dialogue: TMWTGG, Phu-yuck was actually pretty creative in 1974.
    Score: TMWTGG, John Barry's worst is still better than David Arnold's average.
    Settings: TMWTGG, Thailand and Hong Kong over former Soviet republics any day.
    Action: TWINE due to lack of a slide whistle.
    Humor: TMWTGG for "Speak now or forever hold your piece"
    Cinematography: TWINE, TMWTGG's cinematography stayed in the mid-70's
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG, this is a no contest
    Suspense: TWINE, when I first saw TWINE, I really was wondering how Pierce was going to get out of the torture chair.
    Minor Characters: TWINE, but not by much
    Glamor: TWINE, TWINE had the Baku casino. TMWTGG had the Hong Kong strip club and the sumo wrestler's butt cheeks.
    Ally: TWINE, at least Zukovsky didn't drive off on Bond.

    It's an 8-8-1 tie. Realistically, I prefer TMWTGG.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    PTS: TWINE - (It's too long but outshines TMWTGG by a considerable margin.)
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG - (Gun's one true asset.)
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE - (My God, did I just choose Denise Richards?)
    Overall Plot: TMWTGG - (Both are lame but at least Gun's isn't pretentious.)
    Dialogue: TMWTGG - (Dialogue was not a strong suit of the Brosnan era.)
    Score: TMWTGG - (Barry sneezed this out on his worst day and it's still better.)
    Settings: TMWTGG - (Close, but I love Scaramanga's Island.)
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TMWTGG - (Neither are great but Moore had a few good zingers.)
    Cinematography: TMWTGG -(TWINE is so drab.)
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE - (Just barely.)
    Minor Characters: TWINE - (Ever so slightly.)
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE

    TWINE 9 just edges out TMWTGG 8

  • SharkBaitSharkBait
    Posts: 2,107
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TWINE
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TMWTGG
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TMWTGG
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: Tie
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE

    Tie: 8-8-1
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: TMWTGG
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TMWTGG
    Minor Characters: TMWTGG
    Glamor: TMWTGG
    Ally: Tie

    TMWTGG 14-2-1

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited May 2014 Posts: 11,189
    This will be interesting. Two of the weaker films:

    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE (yep!!)
    Overall Plot: TMWTGG
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TWINE (the boat chase is still more compelling than the dull car chase in GG)
    Humor: TWINE (I really loathe some of the comedy in GG. TWINE isn't particularly funny, but a couple of scenes do raise a smile from me)
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TMWTGG
    Glamor: TMWTGG
    Ally: TWINE (No brainer if given a choice between a bloke who drives off leaving Bond and one who saves him before dying)

    8-9

    MWTGG wins...just, but I still prefer TWINE a little.
  • ChangChang
    edited May 2014 Posts: 107
    PTS: TMWTGG (I don't buy the Maria Conchito Alonso lookalike in TWINE as a criminal)
    Title Track: TMWTGG
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: TMWTGG
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TMWTGG
    Minor Characters: TMWTGG
    Glamor: TMWTGG
    Ally: TMWTGG

    Everything TMWTGG by a large margin. TWINE is a bore.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    PTS :: The World Is Not Enough
    Title Track :: The World Is Not Enough
    Title Credits :: The World Is Not Enough
    Main Villain :: The Man With The Golden Gun
    Main Bond Girl: :: The World Is Not Enough
    Overall Plot :: The World Is Not Enough
    Dialogue :: The World Is Not Enough
    Score :: The World Is Not Enough
    Settings :: The World Is Not Enough
    Action :: The World Is Not Enough
    Humor :: The World Is Not Enough
    Cinematography :: The World Is Not Enough
    Benign Bizarre :: The Man With The Golden Gun
    Suspense :: The World Is Not Enough
    Minor Characters :: The World Is Not Enough
    Glamour :: The World Is Not Enough
    Ally :: The World Is Not Enough

    A 15-2 victory for The World Is Not Enough. Well done, Bond#19.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    edited May 2014 Posts: 3,236
    Thank you very much @Birdleson. I do greatly appreciate it when the posts come with their point totals.
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    Posts: 1,596
    Although The World Is Not Enough jumps around on my rankings every-time I see it it currently rests at the very bottom of my list.... right above The Man with the Golden Gun. It appears (for me at least) this is a battle for last place....

    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG (lesser of two evils... I suppose)
    Overall Plot: TMWTGG
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TWINE (lesser of two evils)
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE (lesser of two evils)
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE

    9-8 in favor of TMWTGG!
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