Live And Let Die vs Tomorrow Never Dies - By the Elements

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  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TWINE
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TWINE
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TWINE
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE
  • edited May 2014 Posts: 414
    All right! Two Bond films I've always found extremely underrated!

    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TMWTGG (IMO, the funniest movie in the series without going too far over the top.)
    Cinematography: TWINE
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TMWTGG
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TMWTGG

    TWINE - 9
    TMWTGG - 8

    Another ridiculously close match. The World Is Not Enough takes it!
  • Posts: 300
    I'm late to the game on this but it looks like fun!

    PTS: TMWTGG
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TWINE
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TMWTGG
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TMWTGG

    TMWTGG - 10
    TWINE - 7
  • Posts: 2,491
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TWINE
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE (it had 2 Bond girls)
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TWINE
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE

    It's no surprise that TWINE is one of my fave movies.

    TWINE 13-4 TMWTGG
  • Posts: 1,817
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TMWTGG
    Title Credits: TMWTGG
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TMWTGG
    Settings: TMWTGG
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TMWTGG
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE

    TMWTGG - 12
    TWINE - 5
  • Any final takers for this match-up?
  • Posts: 2,402
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: TWINE
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TMWTGG
    Cinematography: TWINE
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamor: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE

    13-4 for TWINE.
  • Well, after this matchup we have a final result of 255-247-7 in favor of The World is Not Enough, for our second closest yet. The next one, following one of our requests will be You Only Live Twice vs. Octopussy. To wit:

    PTS: OP
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: OP
    Overall Plot: YOLT (simplicity takes it, but only just)
    Dialogue: OP (mostly because of Connery's somewhat lethargic delivery)
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: OP (more varied)
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: OP
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT (close)
    Suspense: OP
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT

    YOLT takes it, 11-6. Have fun!
  • Posts: 6,396
    PTS: OP
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: OP
    Overall Plot: OP
    Dialogue: OP
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: OP
    Action: OP
    Humor: OP
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: OP
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamor: OP
    Ally: YOLT

    OP wins 9-8.
  • Posts: 7,507
    PTS: OP
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: OP
    Main Bond Girl: OP
    Overall Plot: OP (Twice as suspensefull...)
    Dialogue: OP
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: OP (This one is tricky... India vs Japan? I'm going With India...)
    Action: OP
    Humor: OP
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: OP
    Minor Characters: OP
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT

    OP: 10
    YOLT: 7

  • Posts: 12,466
    PTS: OP (by just a bit; I'm not a huge fan of either)
    Title Track: YOLT (YOLT is one of my favorite Bond title tracks; "All Time High" is solid too though)
    Title Credits: YOLT (not even close...)
    Main Villain: YOLT (Pleasance Blofeld seems to be underrated these days; not a big fan of Prince Khan...)
    Main Bond Girl: OP (just because)
    Overall Plot: YOLT (both weren't superb, but YOLT's is classic Bond)
    Dialogue: YOLT (just by an edge I guess)
    Score: YOLT (one of John Barry's best scores)
    Settings: YOLT (I loved the Japanese settings)
    Action: YOLT (kind of close, but I love some of the action sequences in YOLT, such as the Little Nellie sequence and the volcano finale)
    Humor: YOLT (OP does have some funny stuff, but a lot of it comes off as cheesy or weird; I like a lot of the humor in YOLT, like Connery's "I'd rather not")
    Cinematography: YOLT (just because)
    Benign Bizarre: OP (by a hair)
    Suspense: YOLT (I thought it had a lot of good suspense, like when Bond breaks into the safe or the end with the entire volcano sequence)
    Minor Characters: YOLT (close I guess)
    Glamor: YOLT (just because)
    Ally: YOLT (for Tiger Tanaka)

    YOLT - 14 OP - 3

    Knew this one wouldn't be close. Octopussy is just all-over-the-place, and it's never been one of my favorites. I know a lot of people claim it to be underrated, but I think You Only Live Twice is a lot more underrated. At best, people usually put in near the middle, if not more usually in the bottom part. Connery "bored" wasn't an issue for me, and overall it just felt like a fine, classic Bond film. OP is ok I guess, but definitely near the bottom of my list. YOLT, for the time being, flirts with my Top 10.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798

    PTS: OP
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Overall Plot: OP
    Dialogue: OP
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: OP
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: OP
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT

    12 to 5 in favour of YOLT (But I love OP too!)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,968
    PTS: OP
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Overall Plot: OP
    Dialogue: OP (By far.)
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: OP
    Action: OP (YOLT almost wins with that finale, but OP has much better action sequences to me)
    Humor: OP
    Cinematography: OP
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: OP
    Minor Characters: OP
    Glamour: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT (Tiger is one of my favorites.)

    9-8, OP wins.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited May 2014 Posts: 13,355
    PTS: OP
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: OP
    Main Bond Girl: OP
    Overall Plot: OP
    Dialogue: OP
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: OP
    Action: OP
    Humor: OP
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: OP
    Suspense: OP
    Minor Characters: OP
    Glamour: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited May 2014 Posts: 2,629
    PTS: OP (A fake horses' butt hanging from a breakaway trailer and hiding a miniature airplane that can drive up to any gas station is far more realistic than Pac Man like spaceships from the 60s)
    Title Track: YOLT (Rita Coolidge wasn't good enough to be Frank Sinatra's illegitimate daughter)
    Title Credits: YOLT (The Japanese theme seals it)
    Main Villain: YOLT (we know who the main villain was in YOLT)
    Main Bond Girl: OP (Maud Adams defined the Roger Moore Bond girls)
    Overall Plot: OP (A nuclear bomb going off on an American base in Germany in the 80s really wasn't that much of a stretch at the time. Spaceship eating spaceships launched from a volcano will be a huge stretch for quite some time).
    Dialogue: OP (Roger's best work)
    Score: YOLT (Again, the beautiful Japanese music made YOLT one of the best scores in Bond cinematic history)
    Settings: YOLT (Really could be a draw)
    Action: OP (Less ninjas involved)
    Humor: OP (Even when saving Free Europe from nuclear annihilation, Roger still clowns around)
    Cinematography: YOLT (The beauty of Japan is captured perfectly)
    Benign Bizarre: OP (For predicting what an Indiana Jones meal would look like the following year)
    Suspense: OP (A very intense scene with the nuclear bomb)
    Minor Characters: OP (The knife throwing twins seal the deal)
    Glamour: OP (I always dress in a white tuxedo when I play backgammon)
    Ally: YOLT (They don't make them like Tiger any more)

    Octopussy wins out 10-7.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    Kerim wrote:
    Action: OP (Less ninjas involved)
    The rule is that Ninjas automatically make any movie better, didn't you know this @Kerim?
    :))
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited May 2014 Posts: 2,629
    The number of Octopussy's ninjas was just right. You don't need that many ninjas in a volcano. :)
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited May 2014 Posts: 7,314
    Thanks @Soundofthesinners.

    PTS: OP
    Title Track: YOLT (Not even close. YOLT is one of the best.)
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: OP (I do like Pleasence but we don't get to see that much of him.)
    Main Bond Girl: OP (By a considerable margin.)
    Overall Plot: OP
    Dialogue: OP (YOLT has some good lines but OP is full of them.)
    Score: YOLT (Barry vs. Barry. You can't lose here. YOLT is better though.)
    Settings: YOLT (Japan is crazy beautiful. I've always wanted to visit there.)
    Action: OP (Glen knew how to direct action.)
    Humor: OP (This was close because of OP's eye rolling moments but it still comes out on top.)
    Cinematography: YOLT (A strength of all of Gilbert's films.)
    Benign Bizarre: OP (Very close call.)
    Suspense: OP (When it's not being silly OP is surprisingly full of suspense.)
    Minor Characters: OP
    Glamor: OP
    Ally: YOLT (Vijay is fun but he can't beat Tiger.)

    OP 11 - YOLT 6

    I'd have thought it would be a little closer but I knew OP would come out on top. It's just more entertaining in my book.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    pachazo wrote:
    Suspense: OP (When it's not being silly OP is surprisingly full of suspense.)

    This cannot be denied.
  • Posts: 4,762
    PTS: Octopussy
    Title Track: Octopussy
    Title Credits: Octopussy
    Main Villain: Octopussy
    Main Bond Girl: Octopussy
    Overall Plot: Octopussy (very close- both plots are fantastically intriguing with Cold War threats and plenty of espionage)
    Dialogue: Octopussy
    Score: You Only Live Twice
    Settings: You Only Live Twice
    Action: Octopussy (really, really close- both are super entertaining in the action department)
    Humor: Octopussy
    Cinematography: You Only Live Twice
    Benign Bizarre: Octopussy
    Suspense: Octopussy
    Minor Characters: Octopussy
    Glamor: You Only Live Twice
    Ally: You Only Live Twice

    YOLT: 5
    OP: 12

    Sort of a blow-out!
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    PTS: Octopussy
    Title Track: Octopussy (always had a soft spot for Ms Coolidge)
    Title Credits: Tie (both as colourful and glorious as each other)
    Main Villain: You Only Live Twice
    Main Bond Girl: Octopussy
    Overall Plot: Octopussy
    Dialogue: Octopussy
    Score: You Only Live Twice
    Settings: You Only Live Twice
    Action: Octopussy
    Humor: Octopussy
    Cinematography: You Only Live Twice
    Benign Bizarre: Octopussy
    Suspense: Octopussy
    Minor Characters: Octopussy
    Glamor: Octopussy
    Ally: Tie (both Vijay and Tiger are worthy companions)

    11-4-2 to Octopussy
  • Posts: 2,402
    PTS: Octopussy
    Title Track: You Only Live Twice
    Title Credits: You Only Live Twice
    Main Villain: Octopussy
    Main Bond Girl: Octopussy
    Overall Plot: Octopussy
    Dialogue: Octopussy
    Score: You Only Live Twice
    Settings: You Only Live Twice
    Action: Octopussy
    Humor: Octopussy
    Cinematography: Octopussy
    Benign Bizarre: Octopussy
    Suspense: Octopussy
    Minor Characters: Octopussy
    Glamor: You Only Live Twice
    Ally: You Only Live Twice

    11-6 for Octopussy. I'm surprised, I thought the difference would be one or two points higher.
  • Posts: 1,596
    PTS: Octopussy
    Title Track: You Only Live Twice
    Title Credits: You Only Live Twice
    Main Villain: You Only Live Twice
    Main Bond Girl: Octopussy
    Overall Plot: Octopussy - just barely, as I like the OTT of YOLT
    Dialogue: Octopussy
    Score: You Only Live Twice
    Settings: Octopussy - barely
    Action: Octopussy
    Humor: Octopussy
    Cinematography: You Only Live Twice - not even close
    Benign Bizarre: Octopussy
    Suspense: Octopussy
    Minor Characters: You Only Live Twice
    Glamor: You Only Live Twice
    Ally: You Only Live Twice

    9-8 in favor of OP. Sounds about right considering I have it slotted just above YOLT as of now. I do find YOLT a bit underrated, it's a great bit of escapist grandeur. I find OP underrated as well, however.
  • Posts: 3,336
    PTS: Octopussy
    Title Track: You Only Live Twice
    Title Credits: You Only Live Twice
    Main Villain: You Only Live Twice
    Main Bond Girl: Octopussy
    Overall Plot: You Only Live Twice
    Dialogue: Octopussy
    Score: You Only Live Twice
    Settings: You Only Live Twice
    Action: Octopussy
    Humor: Octopussy
    Cinematography: You Only Live Twice
    Benign Bizarre: Octopussy
    Suspense: Octopussy
    Minor Characters: You Only Live Twice
    Glamor: You Only Live Twice
    Ally: You Only Live Twice

    YOLT wins 10-7
  • edited May 2014 Posts: 2,483
    PTS: YOLT (OP's is terribly overrated. Fill her up, indeed.)
    Title Track: YOLT (Coolidge's "All Time High" puts me to sleep before the film really gets going.)
    Title Credits: YOLT (YOLT has some of the best in the series)
    Main Villain: OP (Pleasance has little screen time and even less menace. Kemal is a terrific villain, if a bit twee.)
    Main Bond Girl: OP (If Aki were the main Bond girl, YOLT might take this category.)
    Overall Plot: YOLT (OP is too convoluted.)
    Dialogue: YOLT (A tossup, really.)
    Score: YOLT (YOLT's is overrated a bit, but OP is Barry's worst.)
    Settings: YOLT (Hard to beat Japan in 1967.)
    Action: YOLT (A close one, this.)
    Humor: YOLT (Not one of OP's strengths, although YOLT is no great shakes either.)
    Cinematography: YOLT (No comparison.)
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT (Surprisingly close. OP is actually quite good in this department.)
    Suspense: YOLT (Very close. I think YOLT does a better job of sustaining the suspense almost to the final frame.)
    Minor Characters: OP (A real strong suit for OP.)
    Glamor: YOLT (Adam's production and the cinematography lift YOLT to the win.)
    Ally: YOLT (Two great allies. Vijay is underappreciated, IMO.)

    YOLT: 14
    OP: 3

    Sounds about right. And I'm not even a huge fan of YOLT.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    PTS: Octopussy
    Title Track: You Only Live Twice
    Title Credits: You Only Live Twice
    Main Villain: Octopussy
    Main Bond Girl: You Only Live Twice
    Overall Plot: You Only Live Twice
    Dialogue: You Only Live Twice
    Score: You Only Live Twice
    Settings: You Only Live Twice
    Action: Octopussy
    Humor: Octopussy
    Cinematography: You Only Live Twice
    Benign Bizarre: Octopussy
    Suspense: Octopussy
    Minor Characters: You Only Live Twice
    Glamor: You Only Live Twice
    Ally: You Only Live Twice

    YOLT 11-6
  • Posts: 1,596
    Anybody else think that these could use a "Henchman" and "Set Design" categories?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,968
    @ThighsOfXenia, agreed, along with a "Finale" section, since there's one for the PTS.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    And one for hair. Do not forget the hair.
  • Posts: 7,653
    PTS: Octopussy
    Title Track: You Only Live Twice
    Title Credits: You Only Live Twice
    Main Villain: Octopussy
    Main Bond Girl: Octopussy
    Overall Plot: Octopussy
    Dialogue: You Only Live Twice
    Score: You Only Live Twice
    Settings: Octopussy
    Action: Octopussy
    Humor: Octopussy
    Cinematography: You Only Live Twice
    Benign Bizarre: Octopussy
    Suspense: Octopussy
    Minor Characters: Octopussy
    Glamor: Octopussy
    Ally: Octopussy

    OCTOPUSSY 12 - 5 YOLT
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