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  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited May 2014 Posts: 5,080
    @QBranch I've included those categories in my list.

    Pre Titles - LTK (this was difficult. Both have superb PTSs)
    Title Track - TLD
    Title Credits - TLD
    Main Adversary- LTK
    Main Girl - LTK
    Overall Plot - LTK
    Dialogue - LTK
    Score - TLD
    Settings - TLD
    Action - Tie (both have some of the best action in the series)
    Humour - Tie (both have a sensible amount of humour)
    Cinematography - TLD
    Benign Bizarre - LTK
    Suspense - LTK
    Minor Characters - LTK
    Glamour - TLD
    Ally - LTK

    9-6-2 to LTK. That seems about right.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited May 2014 Posts: 14,664
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    @QBranch I've included those categories in my list.
    I may(day) as well include them ;)

    PTS: TLD (Apart from the plane fishing stunt, LTK's is pretty average)
    Title Track: LTK (The standard length version is one of my faves)
    Title Credits: TLD (both generic, but TLD's is the least)
    Main Adversary: LTK (I'm loyal to Sanchez)
    Main Girl: LTK by a fair margin, although I still like Kara
    Overall Plot: TLD (complex espionage over drug barons thank you very much)
    Dialogue: TLD (very close one here)
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD (both are great for action)
    Humour: LTK
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK
    Glamour: TLD (Opera, Vienna Ball (?) etc.)
    Ally: TLD (LTK has Leiter/Sharkey as allies, but TLD has Shah/Saunders/Pushkin)

    TLD: 10
    LTK: 7

    Wow- I expected the scores to be tighter, but it's no surprise TLD came out on top. What I like most about this pairing is that no matter what comes second, a Dalton film still wins ;)
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Well, I suppose this is one match I won't have to do in the other thread.

    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Adversary: LTK (by a mile)
    Main Girl: LTK
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: LTK
    Humour: LTK
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK
    Glamour: TLD
    Ally: LTK (when in doubt, go with Felix)

    LTK takes it 9-8, which is fitting as it's only a spot or two above TLD on the ol' rankings.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited May 2014 Posts: 45,489
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: tie
    Main Adversary: LTK
    Main Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: LTK
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humour: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK
    Glamour: TLD
    Ally: LTK

    9-7-1 for The Living Daylights.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    chrisisall wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Well, that doesn't accurately reflect my personal opinion, because I actually prefer License to Kill by a longshot!
    Isn't it fascinating to weight the ingredients & see how they come out in the actual product for you?
    To me they are SO close I sometimes can't tell which I like better...
    You are right about that, but a film is more than the sum of these 17 categories, which is why some are surprised by their own results.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Birdleson wrote:
    Does this mean that the other thread is dead?

    No, I was intending to wrap up Octopussy vs. You Only Live Twice today and post the new match.

  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,664
    My guess is this thread will be close after the total percentage is rounded up. We don't need two of them running.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,823
    QBranch wrote:
    My guess is this thread will be close after the total percentage is rounded up. We don't need two of them running.
    Yeah, I agree, But a lot of folks posted here, so I still wonder if it could be deleted & added on to the official thread...
  • ohfilms1ohfilms1
    Posts: 112
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: LTK
    Title Credits: LTK
    Main Adversary: LTK
    Main Girl: Tie
    Overall Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: LTK
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: LTK
    Humour: LTK
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK
    Glamour: TLD
    Ally: Tie

    LTK: 10
    TLD: 5
    Tie: 2
    Still both are my in my top 5, LTK always will be the best in my opinion
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,514
    Glad to see some more LTK love here; last I remembered, TLD was much more popular. Seems more evened out now.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    It's been another fun round, but this match is over with. By a margin of 200-189-2, You Only Live Twice squeaks past Octopussy. Our next match will be between a distinctly average Bond entry and a rollercoaster of brilliance and awfulness, Tomorrow Never Dies vs. Quantum of Solace!

    PTS: TND
    Title Track: TND (neither is particularly inspired, and I've even defended AWTD, but TND still gets the nod)
    Title Credits: QoS
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: TND (classic Bond vs. jumbled political mess)
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS (sure, let's go with that)
    Action: QoS
    Humor: TND (not much to go around in QoS)
    Cinematography: TND (take that, shakycam!)
    Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: TND (Dr. Kaufman carries the day)
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: QoS

    9-8 in favor of Tomorrow Never Dies!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,009
    PTS: QoS
    Title Track: TND
    Title Credits: QoS
    Main Villain: QoS
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: QoS (Can't stand the TND plot at all.)
    Dialogue: QoS (By far.)
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS (It's jam packed with Italy, what's not to love?)
    Action: QoS
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamour: QoS
    Ally: QoS

    12-4, QoS.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,823

    PTS: TND
    Title Track: TND
    Title Credits: QoS
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: QoS

    11-6 in favour of Tomorrow Never Dies
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited May 2014 Posts: 16,357
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: QOS (Another way to Die isn't that bad, I love it.)
    Title Credits: QoS
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: TND
    Settings: QoS
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: QoS

    TND-10
    QOS-6
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,823
    A total of 10 to 7 in favour of License To Kill, but it was mostly very close.
    This thread is closed.
    Please continue here for the new match up:
    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/8571/tomorrow-never-dies-vs.-quantum-of-solace-by-the-elements/p15#Item_434
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,823
    My favourite Bond Girl Michelle is going to take a beating here I can see... :(
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,514
    PTS: QoS
    Title Track: QoS
    Title Credits: QoS
    Main Villain: QoS
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: QoS

    QoS - 11
    TND - 5

    QoS is far ahead of TND in my personal ranking. Both arguably two of the most underrated entries, though I don't think TND is amazing myself.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,356
    PTS: QoS
    Title Track: QoS
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: QoS
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: TND
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QOS
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: QOS
    Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: QoS
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,823
    Broz and Yeoh will BOTH take a beating here, I see. :-<
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    chrisisall wrote:
    Broz and Yeoh will BOTH take a beating here, I see. :-<

    Life's tough when you're a Brosnan fan.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    Posts: 2,629
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: TND
    Title Credits: QOS
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: TND
    Settings: QoS
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: QOS
    Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: TND
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: QoS

    Tomorrow Never Dies holds on for a 9-8 victory.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    edited May 2014 Posts: 6,432
    PTS: QoS
    Title Track: QoS
    Title Credits: QoS
    Main Villain: QoS
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: TND
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamour: QoS
    Ally: QoS
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited May 2014 Posts: 14,664
    TND was the first one I saw in cinemas, so I'll try not to be biased towards it:

    PTS: TND (one of the absolute best, although QOS is pretty awesome too)
    Title Track: TND (I don't 'dislike' AWTD, but it wasn't as Bondian)
    Title Credits: TND (purely for the girl with the diamonds on her neck- but I quite like the QOS one. I think it gets an unfair wrap due to its relationship with the theme song)
    Main Villain: tie (Carver's dramatic; Greene's a slimy little bastard, and that's what I like most about them)
    Main Bond Girl: TND (tough one here as I like them both, but Wai Lin takes the prize because she could kick Bond's ass from here to China)
    Overall Plot: QOS (I like its realistic plot, helping bring our universes together)
    Dialogue: TND (probably not better, but more enjoyable)
    Score: TND (saxophone intro for Hamburg, actually using the Bond theme...)
    Settings: QOS (exotic and rich locations are definitely one of its strengths.)
    Action: TND (QOS is great, but TND has more traditional Bondian action)
    Humour: TND (different kind of humour; takes itself less seriously)
    Cinematography: QOS (another one of QOS strengths)
    Benign Bizarre: TND (Carver speaks of torturing genitals; Bond plays kiss kiss corpse corpse)
    Suspense: QOS (Bond escaping M's goons; Camille's fight with Medrano)
    Minor Characters: TND (Dr. Kaufmann is a great minor character)
    Glamour: TND (Carver's party)
    Ally: QOS (If Bond's hobby is resurrection, then bring Mathis back to life!)

    TND: 11
    QOS: 5
    (1 tie)

    I love both films almost equally, so it's a surprise TND wins two-fold.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited May 2014 Posts: 11,189
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: TND
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: QOS
    Score: QOS
    Settings: QOS
    Action: TND
    Humor: QOS
    Cinematography: QOS
    Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: TND (the Kaulfman scene edges it a bit)
    Minor Characters: QOS
    Glamour: QOS
    Ally: QOS

    9-8 to TND

    Quantum is the stronger film in terms of acting and dialogue, but TND has more re-watch value for me. Both are in my lower tier though.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    PTS: QOS
    Title Track: TND
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: QOS
    Dialogue: QOS
    Score: QOS
    Settings: QOS
    Action: QOS
    Humor: QOS
    Cinematography: QOS
    Benign Bizarre: QOS
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: QOS
    Glamour: QOS
    Ally: QOS

    14-3 QOS
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: QOS (Yes, would you believe!)
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: QOS
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: QOS
    Dialogue: QOS
    Score: QOS
    Settings: QOS
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: QOS
    Benign Bizarre: QOS
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: QOS
    Glamour: QOS
    Ally: QOS


    QOS: 13
    TND: 4
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited May 2014 Posts: 5,080
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: TND (marginally, they're both crap)
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: QOS
    Score: TND
    Settings: QOS
    Action: Tie (both have too much, but the action is still fairly good)
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: QOS
    Benign Bizarre: QOS
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: QOS
    Glamour: QOS
    Ally: QOS

    QOS: 9
    TND: 7
    Tie: 1

    Close, but they are far apart in my ranking (TND at #21 and QOS at #14).
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    PTS: QoS
    Title Track: TND (Barely.)
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: QoS (Close call.)
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: TND
    Action: QoS
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: QoS
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamour: QoS
    Ally: QoS

    QoS 11 TND 6
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    edited May 2014 Posts: 1,596
    PTS: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Title Track: Quantum of Solace
    Title Credits: Quantum of Solace
    Main Villain: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Main Bond Girl: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Overall Plot: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Dialogue: Quantum of Solace
    Score: Quantum of Solace
    Settings: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Action: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Humor: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Cinematography: Quantum of Solace
    Benign Bizarre: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Suspense: Quantum of Solace
    Minor Characters: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Glamour: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Ally: Quantum of Solace

    10-7 in favor of TND
  • Sammm04Sammm04
    Posts: 479
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: TND
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: TND
    Settings: TND
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: TND
    Suspense: TND
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamour: TND
    Ally: QOS

    16-1 In favour of TND, I have always ranked QOS as the worst of the Bond Films and TND is fairly middlish, I'd say about 13th, but it is still vastly superior to that fail of a Bourne movie.


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