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  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: SF
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: SF
    Action: TSWLM
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: TSWLM
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Ally: SF

    TSWLM: 10
    SF: 7
  • daltondalton
    Posts: 1,631
    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: TSWLM
    Main Bond Girl: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: TSWLM
    Score: SF
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: TSWLM
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Ally: TSWLM

    TSWLM: 14
    SF: 3



  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: tie (both excellent)
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: SF
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: TSWLM
    Glamour: SF
    Ally: SF

    TSWLM: 9
    SF: 7
    Tie: 1
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,521
    I like this match-up idea; two of my favorite Bond films!

    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: SF
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: SF
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: TSWLM
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Ally: SF

    SF - 9
    TSWLM - 8

    Close call. Some could go either way though, like the Bond girl and score. But yeah, these have always been two of my favorite Bond films.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    Posts: 6,396
    My very favourite film against my 5th favourite film. This will be interesting:

    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: Tie
    Title Credits: Tie
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: TSWLM
    Score: SF
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: Tie
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: TSWLM
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Ally: SF

    TSWLM wins 10-4 with 3 ties.

    Yeah, I think that's about right.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489

    PTS: SF
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: TSWLM
    Main Bond Girl: SF no,not M
    Overall Plot: SF
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: TSWLM
    Minor Characters: TSWLM
    Glamour: tie
    Ally: SF Kincade over Carter

    SF wins 9-7 with 1 tie.

  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited July 2014 Posts: 2,629
    PTS: TSWLM (Unlike Bond's death, the Union Jack parachute has not been brought back. I also do not acknowledge DAD homages.)
    Title Track: SF (Adele brought the classic voice back.)
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF (If Stromberg only hit up on Bond)
    Main Bond Girl: SF (Whoever it was is a better actress than Barbara Bach)
    Overall Plot: SF (Hacking MI6 is a lot more plausible than re-populating the Earth underwater)
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: SF (Love the Shanghai casino and the remote island hideout)
    Action: TSWLM
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM (For Atlantis)
    Suspense: SF (M's death)
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Ally: SF (Commander Carter always was a jumped up little sailor)

    SF dominates 12-5.
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    Posts: 1,596
    This could be interesting. The two rank next to eachother in my list (7/8 I believe)

    PTS: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Title Track: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Title Credits: Skyfall
    Main Villain: Skyfall
    Main Bond Girl: Skyfall
    Overall Plot: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Dialogue: Skyfall
    Score: TIE (both weak)
    Settings: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Action: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Humor: TIE (both strong)
    Cinematography: Skyfall although Spy does look lovely
    Benign Bizarre: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Suspense: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Minor Characters: Skyfall
    Glamour: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Ally: The Spy Who Loved Me

    9-6 for TSWLM
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    PTS: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Title Track: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Title Credits: Skyfall
    Main Villain: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Main Bond Girl: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Overall Plot: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Dialogue: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Score: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Settings: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Action: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Humor: The Spy Who Loved Me (Nobody does it better when we talk Roger Moore)
    Cinematography: Spy does look lovely
    Benign Bizarre: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Suspense: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Minor Characters: Skyfall
    Glamour: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Ally: The Spy Who Loved Me

    That was easy a classic vs a newbie and when it comes to TSWLM nobody does it better.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    hmm...tough one:

    PTS: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Title Track: Skyfall (although I love "Nobody Does it Better")
    Title Credits: Skyfall
    Main villain: Skyfall
    Main Bond Girl: Na (this one doesn't count as there isn't really a "Bond girl" in SF
    Overall Plot: Skyfall (Spy has a good one but I find that of SF more suspenseful)
    Dialogue: Skyfall (for the "rat" scene alone)
    Score: The Spy Who Loved Me (I don't mind Thomas Newman's attempt but I love how they incorporate Nobody Does it Better into the score).
    Settings: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Action: Skyfall
    Humour: The Spy Who Loved Me (its close though as both have some very funny moments)
    Cinematography: Skyfall (I feel bad for Spy though as that has great cinematography)
    Benign Bazzare: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Suspense: Skyfall
    Minor characters: Skyfall
    Glamour: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Ally: Skyfall

    10-6 - Skyfall
  • OtisFairplayOtisFairplay
    Posts: 48
    PTS: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Title Track: Skyfall
    Title Credits: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Main Villain: Skyfall
    Main Bond Girl: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Overall Plot: Skyfall
    Dialogue: Skyfall
    Score: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Settings: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Action: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Humor: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Cinematography: Skyfall
    Benign Bizarre: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Suspense: Skyfall
    Minor Characters: Skyfall
    Glamour: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Ally: Skyfall

    The Spy Who Loved Me: 9
    Skyfall: 8
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,169
    The Spy Who Loved Me vs. Skyfall


    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: SF
    Suspense: TSWLM
    Minor Characters: TSWLM
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Ally: SF

    TSWLM -10
    SF- 7

    Not a huge shock for me, as Spy has always been a favourite in my rankings.





  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    Posts: 6,396
    Benny wrote: »
    The Spy Who Loved Me vs. Skyfall

    Not a huge shock for me, as Spy has always been a favourite in my rankings.

    \m/ :-bd
  • andmcitandmcit
    Posts: 1,068
    PTS: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Title Track: Skyfall
    Title Credits: Skyfall
    Main Villain: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Main Bond Girl: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Overall Plot: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Dialogue: Skyfall
    Score: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Settings: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Action: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Humor: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Cinematography: Skyfall
    Benign Bizarre: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Suspense: Skyfall
    Minor Characters: Skyfall
    Glamour: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Ally: The Spy Who Loved Me

    The Spy Who Loved Me: 11
    Skyfall: 6

    I do like both but I'm not surprised TSWLM won out for me really.

    It's not so much because I've viewed TSWLM so many more times,
    but because the thinking / actions of Bond in SF were useless really.
    Bond badly failed in his job to save M by randomly selecting his
    ancestral home ages after being declared dead himself - who's to
    say Skyfall wasn't already sold on and occupied by a Chinese family!
    This is unacceptable really - it's James Bond FFS!!

    If it hadn't been for the goosebumps inducing combo of Adele with
    the opening credits, this would've been more of a rout for TSWLM!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humor: SF (I suppose?)
    Cinematography: SF (No question.)
    Benign Bizarre: SF
    Suspense: TSWLM
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: SF
    Ally: TSWLM

    TSWLM wins, 9-8. That's a lot closer than I had expected.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    PTS: TSWLM (An undeniable classic.)
    Title Track: SF (Just barely.)
    Title Credits: SF (Again, barely.)
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: SF (Perhaps neither is completely original but SF took more chances.)
    Dialogue: TSWLM
    Score: TSWLM (At least it's memorable whether you like it or not.)
    Settings: TSWLM (A slight edge.)
    Action: TSWLM
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Ally: SF

    TSWLM 9
    SF 8
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    PTS: SkyFall
    Title Track: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Title Credits: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Main Villain: SkyFall
    Main Bond Girl: SkyFall
    Overall Plot: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Dialogue: SkyFall
    Score: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Settings: SkyFall
    Action: SkyFall
    Humor: SkyFall
    Cinematography: SkyFall
    Benign Bizarre: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Suspense: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Minor Characters: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Glamour: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Ally: SkyFall

    TSWLM: 8
    SF: 9
  • andmcitandmcit
    edited July 2014 Posts: 1,068
    How about GE v CR or TLD?

    plus - why hasn't anything sparred against AVTAK yet, DAF maybe? :D
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,827
    How about LTK vs GE?
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    I was actually thinking GE vs. SF next, as GE beat TSWLM, to my surprise, and TSWLM looks to be beating SF (might be way off, don't count until the end), and I'd assume SF would beat GE.

    Good call on AVTAK, @andmcit. I'll see what matchup I can make.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Is AVTAK the only one that hasn't matched up against another film yet?

    Not 100% sure of that, but it sounds about right. We did TMWTGG vs. TWINE, right, and I'm not going insane?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    GE vs. SF sounds good. Pairing AVTAK with something else will be nice, too.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,521
    I would like SF vs. GE; two of the best modern Bond films.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    How about YOLT vs TND or DAF vs AVTAK? They have a lot in common.
  • andmcitandmcit
    Posts: 1,068
    Yes, I know I need to get out more! :D
    The story so far:

    FRWL v GF
    DAF v QOS
    YOLT v TND
    DN v SF
    TSWLM v GE
    TB v TLD
    OHMSS v CR
    MR v DAD
    FYEO v LTK
    TMWTGG v TWINE
    YOLT v OP
    TND v QOS
    GF v TLD
    LALD v TB
    TSWLM v SF
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    royale65 wrote: »
    How about YOLT vs TND or DAF vs AVTAK? They have a lot in common.

    Already did YOLT vs. TND, and that was the biggest blowout yet, in YOLT's favor. The closest was DAF vs. QoS, and it's not likely to be matched as DAF won by one point.

    Thanks for the write-up, @andmcit.
  • andmcitandmcit
    Posts: 1,068
    Well, just like football fixtures, nobody really bothers about
    who the two opponents are, just the result!! So:

    FRWL v GF = FRWL
    DAF v QOS = DAF
    YOLT v TND = YOLT
    DN v SF = SF
    TSWLM v GE = GE
    TB v TLD = TLD
    OHMSS v CR = OHMSS
    MR v DAD = MR
    FYEO v LTK = FYEO
    TMWTGG v TWINE = TWINE
    YOLT v OP = YOLT
    TND v QOS = TND
    GF v TLD = GF
    LALD v TB = TB
    TSWLM v SF = ?

    It's almost a premier table too with virtually the same number of teams.
    No draws though, these contests are to the death?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,356
    @andmcit, I've just merged the two separate 'By the Elements' threads together, so by all means go right back to the start now to see what has been done and who the winners were. I'm sure at some point, I compiled some sort of list, no doubt you'll find it if it's there.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Good thinking, @Samuel001. You are already earning your drug flavoured bananas or whatever they pay you mods with.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    Let's hope that those heroin flavoured bananas don't finance revolutions.
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