Live And Let Die vs Tomorrow Never Dies - By the Elements

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    TMWTGG was such a rush job and AVTAK had so much prep time that I *have* to award the win to TMWTGG. Just check out Barry's score- rushed in TMWTGG yet it had lots of nuances; given time for AVTAK yet it seemed fairly repetitive.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    PTS: AVTAK, I suppose.
    Title Track: AVTAK
    Title Credits: AVTAK
    Main Villain: AVTAK (young Christopher Walken vs. deadly assassin Christopher Lee. It's a near-tie, but I have to give it to Walken.)
    Main Bond Girl: AVTAK
    Overall Plot: TMWTGG
    Dialogue: AVTAK
    Score: AVTAK
    Settings: AVTAK
    Action: AVTAK
    Humor: AVTAK
    Cinematography: TMWTGG
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: AVTAK (Heights...)
    Minor Characters: AVTAK
    Glamor: AVTAK
    Ally: AVTAK

    Whew, what a landslide. Didn't see that coming.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Main Bond Girl: AVTAK
    You are dead to me.

    Just kidding :))
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    chrisisall wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Main Bond Girl: AVTAK
    You are dead to me.

    Just kidding :))

    Haha. Solely going off of looks, I think Tanya still looks pretty good to this day.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Solely going off of looks, I think Tanya still looks pretty good to this day.
    No argument at all there my friend.
    :)>-
  • PTS: TMWTGG
    Title Track: AVTAK
    Title Credits: AVTAK
    Main Villain: AVTAK
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG
    Overall Plot: AVTAK
    Dialogue: AVTAK
    Score: AVTAK
    Settings: AVTAK
    Action: AVTAK
    Humor: AVTAK
    Cinematography: AVTAK
    Benign Bizarre: AVTAK
    Suspense: AVTAK
    Minor Characters: TMWTGG
    Glamor: AVTAK
    Ally: TMWTGG
  • PTS - TMWTGG
    TT - TMWTGG
    TC - TMWTGG
    MV - TMWTGG
    MBG - TMWTGG
    OP - AVTAK
    DIAL - AVTAK
    SCORE - TMWTGG
    SETTING - TMWTGG
    ACTION - TMWTGG
    HUMOR - AVTAK
    CINEMA - TMWTGG
    BB - TMWTGG
    SUSPENSE - TMWTGG
    MC - TMWTGG
    GLAM - TMWTGG
    ALLY - AVTAK
  • Posts: 1,497
    Creasy47 wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Main Bond Girl: AVTAK
    You are dead to me.

    Just kidding :))

    Haha. Solely going off of looks, I think Tanya still looks pretty good to this day.

    I actually thought the character of Stacy was decently written: she actually had some backstory and a connection to the main plot. I think had the character been better casted, with an older actress like a Maud Adams type, I think the character would have been much better. Remove the obnoxious screaming as well for good measure.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    PTS: Golden Gun
    Title Track: A View To A Kill
    Title Credits: Golden Gun
    Main Villain: A View To A Kill
    Main Bond Girl: A View To A Kill decent enough character, unfortunatly Robert's is quite poor.
    Overall Plot: Golden Gun
    Dialogue: A View To A Kill
    Score: A View To A Kill
    Settings: Golden Gun
    Action: A View To A Kill
    Humor: they are both as bad as each other, but at least A View To A Kill does not have Pepper's gurning antics.
    Cinematography: Golden Gun
    Benign Bizarre: Golden Gun
    Suspense: A View To A Kill
    Minor Characters: A View To A Kill
    Glamor: Golden Gun
    Ally: A View To A Kill
  • My bottom two...this should be fun:

    PTS: AVTAK
    Title Track: AVTAK
    Title Credits: AVTAK
    Main Villain: TMWTGG
    Main Bond Girl: TMWTGG (for not screeching at me/Bond, mostly)
    Overall Plot: AVTAK (it's a ripoff, but at least it rips off something good)
    Dialogue: TMWTGG
    Score: AVTAK
    Settings: AVTAK
    Action: TMWTGG
    Humor: AVTAK
    Cinematography: AVTAK
    Benign Bizarre: TMWTGG
    Suspense: TMWTGG
    Minor Characters: TMWTGG
    Glamor: AVTAK
    Ally: AVTAK

    AVTAK triumphs 10-7

    I'll do You Only Live Twice vs. Quantum of Solace too, even if it doesn't count.

    PTS: YOLT
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT (shakycam dooms QoS)
    Humor: YOLT
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: QoS

    YOLT runs away with it, 11-6
  • Well, I thought perhaps the AVTAK Resistance had died out, but apparently not. It arose and pushed AVTAK through to a decisive win over what I consider to be the better picture.

    In categories, AVTAK won 12-5, and in total points, 172 to 117.

    Here are the category scores:

    PTS: 9-8 Gun
    Title Track: 14-3 AVTAK
    Title Credits: 10-7 AVTAK
    Main Villain: 10-7 Gun
    Main Bond Girl: 9-8 AVTAK
    Overall Plot: 9-8 AVTAK
    Dialogue: 9-8 AVTAK
    Score: 15-2 AVTAK
    Settings: 9-8 Gun
    Action: 13-4 AVTAK
    Humor: 11-6 AVTAK
    Cinematography: 11-6 Gun
    Benign Bizarre: 15-2 Gun
    Suspense: 14-3 AVTAK
    Minor Characters: 10-7 AVTAK
    Glamor: 14-3 AVTAK
    Ally: 13-4 AVTAK
  • edited November 2013 Posts: 1,497
    What's next Khan? I don't think FYEO has made an appearance yet.
  • edited November 2013 Posts: 2,483
    Ask, JBFan, and ye shall receive!

    Up now, Spy versus FYEO:

    PTS: Spy
    Title Track: Spy
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: Spy
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Overall Plot: Spy
    Dialogue: FYEO
    Score: Spy
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humor: Spy
    Cinematography: Spy
    Benign Bizarre: Spy
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: Spy
    Glamor: FYEO
    Ally: FYEO

    Two evenly-matched films, I think.
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    You forgot Ally @Perilagu_Khan

    PTS: Spy
    Title Track: Spy
    Title Credits: SPY
    Main Villain: FYEO
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Overall Plot: Spy
    Dialogue: FYEO
    Score: Spy
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humor: Spy
    Cinematography: Spy
    Benign Bizarre: Spy
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: Spy
    Glamor: FYEO
    Ally: FYEO

    9-8 Spy. That probably works out about right.
  • Posts: 1,497
    Ahh...good one! Two evenly matched films indeed. But I am partial to one of the films. Let's see how it turns out...

    PTS: Spy
    Title Track: Spy
    Title Credits: SPY
    Main Villain: FYEO
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Overall Plot: SPY
    Dialogue: FYEO
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humor: Spy
    Cinematography: Spy
    Benign Bizarre: Spy
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: Spy
    Glamor: FYEO
    Ally: FYEO

    As I suspected, FYEO wins this one 9-8, thanks to Conti's score, which I would argue is underrated (at least the second half anyway).
  • PTS: Spy
    Title Track: Spy
    Title Credits: Spy
    Main Villain: Spy
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: Spy
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: Spy
    Action: Spy
    Humor: Spy
    Cinematography: Spy
    Benign Bizarre: Spy
    Suspense: Spy
    Minor Characters: Spy
    Glamor: Spy
    Ally: FYEO

    13-4 for The Spy Who Loved Me. Wasn't expecting this much of a blowout, but that's the breaks.
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    PTS: Spy
    Title Track: Spy
    Title Credits: Spy
    Main Villain: Spy
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: Spy
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: Spy
    Humor: Spy
    Cinematography: Spy
    Benign Bizarre: Spy
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: Spy
    Glamor: FYEO
    Ally: FYEO
  • You forgot Ally @Perilagu_Khan

    PTS: Spy
    Title Track: Spy
    Title Credits: SPY
    Main Villain: FYEO
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Overall Plot: Spy
    Dialogue: FYEO
    Score: Spy
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humor: Spy
    Cinematography: Spy
    Benign Bizarre: Spy
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: Spy
    Glamor: FYEO
    Ally: FYEO

    9-8 Spy. That probably works out about right.

    Who's the ally in Spy? I consider Sheik Hossein too minor to be a real ally. Captain Carter? maybe.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    PTS: Spy
    Title Track: Spy
    Title Credits: SPY
    Main Villain: FYEO
    Main Bond Girl: tie for me, truly
    Overall Plot: Spy
    Dialogue: FYEO
    Score: Spy
    Settings: FYEO (that is close, too)
    Action: FYEO
    Humor: Spy
    Cinematography: Spy
    Benign Bizarre: Spy
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: Spy
    Glamor: FYEO
    Ally: FYEO

    I love both of these films.
  • edited November 2013 Posts: 6,396
    You forgot Ally @Perilagu_Khan

    PTS: Spy
    Title Track: Spy
    Title Credits: SPY
    Main Villain: FYEO
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Overall Plot: Spy
    Dialogue: FYEO
    Score: Spy
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humor: Spy
    Cinematography: Spy
    Benign Bizarre: Spy
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: Spy
    Glamor: FYEO
    Ally: FYEO

    9-8 Spy. That probably works out about right.

    Who's the ally in Spy? I consider Sheik Hossein too minor to be a real ally. Captain Carter? maybe.

    Yes Capt Carter is the ally in Spy. Plus, you can't ignore a character like Colombo for this round. He's just one of Bond's best allies. It'll be a travesty if he doesn't win by a whitewash.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited November 2013 Posts: 17,801
    PTS: FYEO
    Title Track: Spy
    Title Credits: SPY
    Main Villain: Spy
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: FYEO
    Score: Spy
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humor: Spy
    Cinematography: Spy
    Benign Bizarre: Spy
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: Spy
    Glamor: Spy
    Ally: FYEO
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    You forgot Ally @Perilagu_Khan

    PTS: Spy
    Title Track: Spy
    Title Credits: SPY
    Main Villain: FYEO
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Overall Plot: Spy
    Dialogue: FYEO
    Score: Spy
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humor: Spy
    Cinematography: Spy
    Benign Bizarre: Spy
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: Spy
    Glamor: FYEO
    Ally: FYEO

    9-8 Spy. That probably works out about right.

    Who's the ally in Spy? I consider Sheik Hossein too minor to be a real ally. Captain Carter? maybe.

    Yes Capt Carter is the ally in Spy. Plus, you can't ignore a character like Colombo for this round. He's just one of Bond's best allies. It'll be a travesty if he doesn't win by a whitewash.

    I've always considered Capt Carter as the ally is Spy.

  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    PTS: Spy
    Title Track: FYEO
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: Spy
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Overall Plot: Spy
    Dialogue: FYEO
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: Spy
    Humor: FYEO
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: Spy
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: FYEO
    Glamor: Spy
    Ally: FYEO

    FYEO- 11. Spy- 6

    FYEO is one of my favourites. Conti's score is underrated, as previously mentioned, and I adore the ski chase.
  • edited November 2013 Posts: 1,817
    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: TSWLM
    Main Bond Girl: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: TSWLM
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: TSWLM
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: TSWLM
    Minor Characters: TSWLM
    Glamor: TSWLM
    Ally: FYEO

    Edit: I changed Ally from TSWLM to FYEO. I can't believe I forgot Colombo!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    0013 wrote:
    Score: FYEO

    :-??
  • edited November 2013 Posts: 1,817
    chrisisall wrote:
    0013 wrote:
    Score: FYEO

    :-??

    Everything is better than Hamlisch, except Monty Norman's Dr No score. But I don't really like Conti's.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    0013 wrote:
    Everything is better than Hamlisch, except Monty Norman's Dr No score. But I don't really like Conti's.
    Okay, I see where you're coming from here.
  • Posts: 1,970
    PTS: Spy
    Title Track: Spy
    Title Credits: Spy
    Main Villain: Spy
    Main Bond Girl: Spy
    Overall Plot: Spy
    Dialogue: FYEO
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: Spy
    Humor: Spy
    Cinematography: Spy
    Benign Bizarre: Spy
    Suspense: Spy
    Minor Characters: Spy
    Glamor: FYEO
  • PTS - FYEO
    TT - both horrors, but FYEO wins it
    TC - TSWLM
    MV - TSWLM
    MBG - TSWLM
    OP - FYEO
    DIALOG - FYEO
    SCORE - FYEO
    SETTING - TSWLM
    ACTION - TSWLM
    HUMOR - TSWLM
    CINEMA - TSWLM
    BB - TSWLM
    SUSPENSE - FYEO
    MINOR - TSWLM
    GLAMOR - TSWLM
    ALLY - FYEO

    The Spy Who Loved Me wins 10 - 7 in favor of For Your Eyes Only
  • edited November 2013 Posts: 1,596
    PTS: Spy
    Title Track: Spy (Love them both...)
    Title Credits: Spy
    Main Villain: Spy
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Overall Plot: Spy
    Dialogue: FYEO
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: Spy
    Humor: Spy
    Cinematography: Spy
    Benign Bizarre: Spy
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: Spy
    Glamor: Spy
    Ally: FYEO

    11-6 in favor of TSWLM. I was honestly expecting a more decisive victor for it based on their placings in my ranked lists but I guess maybe it's just a testament to how close a lot of the Bond films are, even when they're ranked further apart.
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