The Horror Thread II: The Return

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Milla can't stretch this thing forever. It's been nearly 20 years since she astonished me in The 5th Element and I am amazed how good and energetic she still looks but such things are bound to end someday.

    That said, I have thoroughly enjoyed the RE series so far. In some respect they have kept delivering the goods. I mean, what are the odds for a video game adaptation to produce content at such a rapid rate, remain profitable and rather consistent too? I respect the series for that and I say this unironically. Of course this isn't Fincher, Mann, Nolan, Von Trier or Scorsese but not all films have to be. Some simple popcorn zombie trash can be like a good cheeseburger - we don't need steak supreme all the time. And what can I say? I think these cheeseburgers have tasted very fine so far.

    If they can pull the sixth chapter off, this film franchise will forever be close to me. Like the Saw films, it will keep amusing me as simple entertainment with a high continuity factor. Plus, I have a feeling the Japanese will keep putting out animated RE films, which I must say I think are very good too. Thumbs up for RE from Dimi! :D
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited June 2014 Posts: 13,978
    The Final Chapter? Now, where have I heard that from, which turned out not to be the final chapter.

    I've grown the like both the films and Milla. Once I got past the fact that the films and the games were separate entities, I slowly started to appreciate the mix of action and horror in the films. As for Milla herself, even if the RE series ends, I hope that she continues to show that there is more to her than Alice.

    Odd story of the day:

    http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3299131/bizarre-story-vhs-copy-hellraiser-bus-stop/

    Coming to a bus stop shelter roof near you.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited June 2014 Posts: 13,978
    "A weird little nugget of news we missed out of THR‘s report on the ongoing CineEurope convention was that Paramount Pictures’ forthcoming Friday the 13th re-remake will be in 3-D. This all but confirms that the found-footage angle has been dropped. Now, I’m not too excited about 3-D only because it’s typically post-converted, which is always a weird decision considering how shockingly expensive it is.

    David Bruckner, who is still in talks to get behind the camera, is a fantastic director whom I have complete faith in. I know he wouldn’t post-convert Jason Voorhees in the second reboot. If Bruckner can bring the fun back to the franchise, and tap into the roots of Friday the 13th Part 3, I think 3-D would be welcomed. This is the kind of franchise where the 3-D could be a fun *gimmick* as opposed to just adding depth to the Voorhees lore (not that it can’t achieve both). Thoughts?

    Paramount Pictures is releasing with Platinum Dunes producing once again. A new release has been slated for November 13, 2015.

    Bruckner co-directed The Signal and V/H/S"


    http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3299625/friday-13th-returns-3-d/

    Hey, if it rules out the found footage angle, i'm fine with another 3D film.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I don't mind a 3D film, especially because I tend to watch the 2D version anyway. ;-)
    But yeah, let's drom the found footage thing. It's passed its time now. Maybe in another twenty years or so.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I'd prefer 3D over found footage, and it won't only be in 3D, so 2D will be an option. Plus, Bond and Jason battling it out in November 2015? Count me in.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Bond will likely open on the 20th, which will give Friday The 13th a weeks head start. But a Friday film won't need to earn as much money as Bond, so there won't be much of a battle. It'll be down to whether the film is received well or not. It better be, because if it isn't, it could be a while before we get another Friday film.
    I personally rate the 2009 film very high in the series (top 3), so it baffles me that the series is getting another reboot.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited June 2014 Posts: 13,355
    Bond opens on the 6th November in the US, so Friday The 13th would come out a week later. In the UK, it would be three weeks later. It opens there, 23rd October.

    It should have time to earn money, you'd hope.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Even if Bond opens a week earlier (shows how much I have been following, even at this stage), I don't think it will cause too much trouble. Friday The 13 will play more to a niche crowd, Bond or no Bond.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Dermot Mulroney has joined 'Insidious 3.' I'm guessing it won't begin with how the second film ended, sadly, unless he'll play some new, never-before-seen role. I thought the finale to the second one was such a great tease for the third movie, and I hope they do continue with that:

    http://www.deadline.com/2014/06/insidious-3-dermot-mulroney-leigh-whannell/
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I'm interested. I have so far liked the Insidious films though I prefer I1 to I2. I'm not even sure I wanted another film in the series but on the other hand, I'm probably going to be suckered into it anyway. I'm a completist after all. ;-)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    I'm interested. I have so far liked the Insidious films though I prefer I1 to I2. I'm not even sure I wanted another film in the series but on the other hand, I'm probably going to be suckered into it anyway. I'm a completist after all. ;-)

    Same. Heavily prefer the first film, and while I thought the second was good, it just lacked something for me. It wasn't as scary as the first unfortunately. Either way, I'm very pumped for the third one still.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited July 2014 Posts: 13,978
    http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3300908/major-halloween-news-third-film-h6-producers-cut/


    I would like to own the official release of Halloween 6: Producer's Cut, but I don't want to have to buy the deluxe set on Blu Ray just for that one film, I am not that big of a Halloween fan. :-? Unless it gets a standalone release*, I might wait until someone breaks up their set.

    *Which reminds me of the Special Edition DVD of The Living Daylights. Wasn't that originally only available in the DVD set? I'm sure it wasn't until later that it got a standalone SE release.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @MajorDSmythe, my thoughts exactly. The set is beautiful, but the only ones I'm a big fan of are the first two and I kind of enjoy H20. I wouldn't mind seeing the Producer's Cut for 'The Curse Of Michael Myers,' but I most certainly won't be shelling out for the set. I don't like Zombie's work on the remakes (and I really hope the third doesn't follow the storyline he was setting up, if it ever sees the light of day). I tried to watch the fourth one last night (I remember watching it and the fifth so much when I was younger), but I guess now that I'm older and I can differentiate between what is and isn't good, the series takes a huge dive in quality from 2 to 4. I've never even bothered with the third.

    Now, speaking of collections, the F13 collection is a different story. I'd love to get that someday.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I might consider buying that boxset. Obviously I'm a fan of Carpenter's films but I can also find moderate pleasure in watching H3. The next two keep me going because of Danielle Harris and the sixth has some brutal moments that I enjoy very much. H20 is a film I like because of its ending, H-res is one I loath because of its opening. ;-) I'm a fan of Rob Zombie so don't even think about talking me out of liking what he did with Halloween, even if the second film of his is a huge step down from the remake. ;-) Hell, I have no problem humming the Halloween theme during lovemaking. Maybe that's why we split up. ;-)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I remember how bad I jumped when 'Resurrection' ended. Scared the hell out of me. Zombie's remake isn't the worst, it's the second film that I found to be beyond awful. I thought the remake focused way too heavily on Michael's backstory (changing it up, which was nice), yet when it came to Laurie's story when she's older, it jumped right into it, no plot buildup with that, no tense moments of Michael following her around all day, nothing. I think the original did it a lot better.

    Hey, perhaps my girl and I split up because I opted to roll into the room, nude, whistling the James Bond theme before lovemaking. Her loss! ;-)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited July 2014 Posts: 24,183
    You see, that's what I actually liked about the remake. Had Zombie been given full control of the film, we wouldn't have had that second half. It would have been Michael's story from the first to the last minute of the film and that might have been a very interesting experience, seeing how creatively Zombie has dealt with weirdos in previous films like House Of A Thousand Corpses and The Devil's Rejects. But as the producers insisted on it being a remake, he had no choice but to re-inject Laurie's POV on the night he came home into the film. It seems like they gave him the clean slate for H2 and he made a typical Rob Zombie film but not a typical Halloween film. You know what? The main problem with both Zombie films is their title. Drop the word "Halloween", promote the film as a Michael Myers spin-off, and you have a reasonably interesting canvas to work on. Keep it within the Halloween brand, and you've lost from the start because people will bring expectations you are entirely unable to meet with this film. ;-)

    Once I learned to change my mindset, H2 became a passable film. ;-)

    As for the nude floor rolling while whistling the JB Theme, I do that ALL the time, even when I'm not occupied in some lovemaking ritual. ;-) Yes, it involves a deadly laser satellite too and I'm not too proud to admit that. :P
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Now see, if I went into it with it being a spin-off that solely focused on Michael Myers, then perhaps I would have liked it more. Given the state they're in, though, I just don't really care for them all that much.

    I do the same thing sometimes! You're not alone there. ;-)

    Also, speaking of the remake of 'Halloween,' I know that Michael's a completely thoughtless, rampaging slaughter-machine, but I always hate it when:
    He kills Danny Trejo's character. One of the only films where Trejo is this quiet, kind, caring man, and Michael slaughters him. Zombie decides to have Michael go on and show love and a caring attitude towards Laurie, unlike the original films, so why couldn't that have been presented with the man who watched him and treated him well all those years? It would've been nice.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    If there was one thing that I didn't like about films 4 through 7, was the mask. Halloween: Resurection, for all it's faults, had a mask that was very similar to that shown in the first two films.

    And thank heavens that Jason never got his ass kicked by Buster Rhymes..... no wait, he got killed by Corey Feldman, I think that's worse.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @MajorDSmythe, yeah, that really stands out for me. Did you know the reason Michael's mask looks different in 'Halloween 2' is because the actor who played him in the first movie would keep the mask folded up in his back pocket when he wasn't filming, and in between the filming years of the first two films, one of the executive producers kept it in under her bed, and she was a heavy smoker, adding distorted color to it? Just found that out a few days ago. I know that they didn't use the same mask after the second, but I wish they could've made it resemble it a bit more closely. It's too white and off looking to me.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Jason got kicked by Corey and so did dozens of vampires at one point in his career. ;-)

    Busta... 8-| "Yo, Mikey!" Seriously, who inspired who in 2002? Did Halle tell Busta to go Yo Momma in my Halloween film or what?!

    @Creasy, as for your hidden remark, you are right, sir. I dislike it too. That is Zombie ensuring, if it wasn't the case already, that we stop thinking of Michael as a human being one can reason with. In a way, it's a bit of a reference one might say to Loomis stressing the point that Michael is an 'it' instead of a 'him' in the very first Halloween film. :-)
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I never noticed the difference between those two masks. I shall have to dig out my H1& H2 dvd's and have a look.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    The only standout moments from 'Resurrection' that I recall were a few cool kills, jump scares, and one or two lines of funny dialogue. That was it. The whole "online webcam blogging trip to Myers' house" storyline killed it for me. Also, Busta Rhymes and "that guy from 'American Pie.'" Not sure how the latter found his way to that movie.

    @DarthDimi, exactly. I suppose it sets up the possibility of Michael having some bit of human decency, which is crushed when that moment occurs on screen. Have either of you seen the extended version of Zombie's remake that showcases Michael's escape from the institution? I saw it in theaters, but when I purchased it on blu-ray, I couldn't find that scene on there, for some reason.

    @MajorDSmythe, let me know if you notice it, too. It really does look different because of the two aforementioned events, but some hardcore fans just chalk it up to him getting it dirty when he falls from the balcony during the 'Halloween' finale and lands in dirt/grass.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Creasy, I'm honestly not sure. I think I have it on my DVD but now that you mention it's absent from the BR, I'm in doubt. We usually get the uncut / unrated / uncensored versions of a film automatically here in continental Western Europe, so I'd assume that's the one I have. But I'm really not sure.

    I must confess that I really like Zombie's remake of Halloween. I really do. I thought the casting choices were pure genius, I love the score, which is based on some of the original cues but beefed up to better fit the modern torture porn vibes, I love the cinematography... Let's face it. The original Halloween managed to scare people out of their wits. Nowadays, that doesn't happen any more. We have grown desensitized to this level of slasher thrills. We may enjoy them, in fact be amused by them, but we don't soil our undies at the mere sight of a masked killer any more. So the only thing that seems to upset people, unless you bring in ghosts, demons or Justin Bieber, is raw violence. The original Halloween still gets away with it because most of us love it as a classic of the genre. We cherish the film rather than be scared by it. Had Zombie stayed with the simple tricks of that original film, most people would probably have found the film boring. In order to make it somewhat commercially successful, he had no choice but to chop up any sense of morale and just go for the roughest experience he could get out of it. Unfortunately, that's what we have come to.

    Which, incidentally, is why I'm even more surprised that those boooooring Paranormal Activity films can be so successful. I honestly think that even Poltergeist with it's family friendly Spielberg aesthetics and lovely Goldsmith score does more to give me goosebumps than any of the PA film. Nowadays, James Wan seems to be the only one who can freak me out with ghosts and demons. Him, and of course James Watkins since The Woman In Black. ;-)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    If you check and find out, let me know. I know that I've seen the scene before, and I'm pretty damn sure that it was during my first viewing of it in theaters, but I thought his escape scene went differently when I rewatched it on blu-ray. I know it shows the death of who we just discussed, but I think it cut out the whole scene where he takes out the guards with the shotguns and whatnot.

    I'll admit, one thing I loved about Zombie's H2 WAS the violence. Tyler Mane is so hulking and massive that his version of Michael was just begging to have some brutal, violent kills in it. Also, although I don't like the storyline or direction that H2 took - mainly shaking up the character's fates and not taking place in the hospital, but turning that into a dream sequence - I also like that Zombie made it his own instead of a shot-for-shot remake. Whether I like an altered remake or not, I can always appreciate a director for spicing it up.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Precisely the reason I dig anything Zombie throws at me. I already mentioned his two Firefly movies House Of A 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects, but there's also The Lords Of Salem, which I rather like, and his two Halloween films. Zombie's retro 70s aesthetic is my main point of attraction.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited July 2014 Posts: 40,976
    I love Zombie's Firefly films, especially the ending to 'The Devil's Rejects.' So tense. The only film of his I've yet to see is 'The Lords Of Salem,' I might have to watch it on your recommendation (even though you like 'Halloween 2,' ;-))

    EDIT: 'Insidious: Chapter 3' moves from April 3rd, 2015 to May 29th, 2015:

    http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=120187
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    I thought Zombie did good work with Devil's Rejects. I never saw the first one, "House of 1,000 Corpses" though I did read the screenplay.

    I'm just not much of a fan of the slasher genre. I enjoyed the first Halloween (1978) and Scream (1996) was good bloody fun.

    I prefer Gothic type horror. Films full of "things that go bump in the night". I love films like "The Conjuring", "Occubus" (very good). I will probably catch " Deliver us from Evil" this weekend, so please don't spoil it for me.

    I am always on the hunt for good scary films without the gore. I've heard good things about "Lords of Salem". I may have to give it a look-see.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Ehh, an update is better than nothing. They can go the 3D route once again if they wish, but I really hope it isn't found footage. I really, really hope that isn't the case.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I don't like the sound of a found footage film either. Just give me Jason, a wintery setting, inventive kills, and the usual characters.
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