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Quite.
Fleming did not express 'racist attitudes of the time', he expressed the average attitude of society of the time. It is only by our modern day standards it is now seen to be racist. Don't think that Fleming was somebody propagating outrageous views on a shocked society. The public (including probably William Boyd's relatives) are as guilty as Ian as being racist so I don't see why Fleming is being singled out for using the language of his time.
I think a night out with Dikko would be tremendous fun. But then of course I'm the kind of Stone Age Neanderthal who would class calling someone a 'pommy poofter' as a bit of banter rather than homophobic abuse that should see poor Dikko castigated on Twitter and sacked from his job.
That's not true, the definition of racism wasn't different in Fleming's time. Things like the 'animal stench' of Koreans was every bit as racist then as it is now. Only in Fleming's time you had more people agreeing with such. But racism doesn't change into mainstream with the number of its followers, it becomes mainstream racism. That is what some pursue with apologizing Fleming's attitude, a handy device to justify their own leanings.
But Fleming is not singled out, in everything I've read he's obviously seen as a product of his time, not a natural benchmark of acceptable 'provoking' views on the 'safe' side of racism as some try to paint him here. Somebody above mentioned other popular thriller writers of the time whose work doesn't resort to the kind slur Fleming employed. So his mild racism obviously wasn't obligatory, neither then nor today. It was his choice to use it, most likely because he was fairly sure he wouldn't offend with it. Fleming was very eager to please and would not have included views that threatened the success of his books.
Could be that 'poor' Dikko isn't so worthy of your sympathy. If such a figure walks around today he's aware of the nature of his banter and should be prepared for the reaction to it. Sadly today even racists want to be 'understood' and cuddled, not my cup of tea.
Gotta hit the sack.
You know exactly what I mean, but you appear to be 'foaming all at the mouth'. I'm not going to bother reasoning with you. It's like poking a rabid dog with a stick.
I agree. I love Fleming's books and I don't give a damn if Fleming was slightly more racist than the average man back in those days which is the impression I get but some just won't have one say a single word about the man that is anything less than glowing.
Tealiban Gestapo?
Straightjackets are on aisle 9, sir. Have a nice day.
That is for the more discerning fanatics of the Earl Grey Party.
Well, well. So entire periods should be condemned because they don't measure up to idiotic, postmodern standards of racial egalitarianism. Truth be told, if the so-called "anti-racists" ever gain supreme control over nations or the West as a broad entity, I fully expect them to create concentration camps for whitey and to enact atrocities similar to what we saw from the Nazis and commies. The racial egalitarians are filled with as much hatred as anybody, but they are crueler and more ruthless than most.
The only people who are being persecuted are those who propagate thought crimes and evince hate facts. And it is the gay mafia who are as guilty of this as anybody.
Actually, racism has come to be defined as opposition to any Leftist position on virtually any matter. Voting for somebody other than Obama? Racist. Opposition to "affirmative" action? Racist. Don't like squandering money on the welfare state? Racist. Refusal to use politikally korrekt terminology, such as African-American, transgendered, Native-American and gay? Racist. I could go on. But the point is obvious. An absurdly capacious redefinition of racism--and sexism and homophobia--is advantageous to Leftist ideologues who may brand an ever expanding segment of society unfit for participation in that society, and in the process, invalidate their ideas and beliefs. And once enemy beliefs are no longer acceptable, the Leftists have won because there is no longer an opposition. So this is really not about truth or morality; it is about power.
And who would know better than you.
Some sense being spoken, at last.
Problem with this definition is that of course it is fine to praise another race in a general sort of way, fair enough. It's only if you slag them off in a general way then it becomes racist. Thing is, logic dictates if you should be able to do one, you can do the other.
Also, some people call it racism when it's xenophobia, not pretty either but not the same. For an Englishman to generalise about the French or Italians or what have you should not be branded racist in my view as it is to comment on national identity, not skin colour. It is a matter of taste.
But other nations are associated with colour, eg India, so any slanging off those countries must be deemed racism of course.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24931803
Let's cut this short, just so we're all on the same page here. May be interesting for some.
PK (or do you prefer Herr Jager?), did you on another forum in the course of a discussion about white supremacy freely admit to being a racist? Yes or No?
And while we're waiting for the answer to that one we might take a look at the interesting allegory regarding Sweden here:
A 'wakeup call'? Interestingly I remember having read a similar rant about London, roughly about the time of the Olympic Games. It went on at some length about how the writer despised London and Great Britain and how he hoped it would crash sooner than later, to serve as a wakeup call. Do you remember that? It would be most odd if you didn't, it was written by somebody using the same 'Perilagu Khan' monicker. If it wasn't you it must have been a close relative. Now that wakeup call, would that happen to have the same significance as the one in the sturmlied (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmlied)? Germany awaken? Because that would give food for thought indeed.
Yes, Tealiban Gestapo. I know why I used that term. Now we do all.
Then maybe it should not be mentioned here either.
Maybe I've missed something or I'm just being a bit thick, but why not?
I wouldn't have, only there seems to be a genuine deficit of understanding for PK's pov, having this information might help some readers. Why don't we just wait for PK's answer? Unless that is he's busy fending off the Leftist Gay mafia he feels is persecuting him.
As for these others with post counts in the teens. Who left the friggin door open?
The learned Dr. Khan and the ever provocative Wiz of Ice, whose Bond and Fleming credentials are impeccable, actually do deign to even acknowledge such blatherings from the precious types who suddenly infest these learned Bond boards. The magnanimity!! You gentlemen do go beyond the call.
It would be great sport if the noble Fleming were still alive. I am sure he would find great amusement, to sit down and be lectured on what a racsist he is by such brave and high-minded souls, nothwithstanding Tiger, Dikko, Bond not to mention Noel Coward howling in the background.
One the same, and at your service dear chap. I am 100 percent guilty of recognizing patterns in sundry demographics, noting the obvious, namely that those differences produce inequality, and that a goodly portion of this inequality is genetic. All of the above is well documented in the sciences, both physical and social. And indeed, the ability to notice these things and the willingness to speak of them was fairly common as little as 30 years ago. Alas, fascists such as yourself have successfully embargoed and criminalized a great many truths. But the truth can be suppressed by fascistic tactics for only so long. Eventually awareness dawns and the Nazis and the Bolsheviks are destroyed. It will happen to the waffen PC as well. A shame we have to go down this bloody road again, but there it is.
So we shouldn't take the likes of @harkaway seriously because they're new and don't have as many posts as the rest of us? What kind of logic is that?
A simple Yes would have been enough, thanks all the same.
So a modern racist defends Fleming against accusations of racism, how ironic.
Bet they'd barf about the lickspittle display, takes some getting used to tbh.