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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Ah okay, I got it now. Thank you for explaining it to me.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Finishing out the 70's with Moonraker. I must say, this is a Bond movie that gets better with every viewing. I know many loathe it for it's very over the top nature but that doesn't bother me. The older I get the more I can accept Bond movies on their own merits and enjoy them. I love grounded and serious Bond and I love Campy, over the top Bond. I consider myself to be a balanced Bond fan. I can enjoy things from every Bond film, even ones low on my list. I find Moonraker to be so charming and fun. It may not be entirely true to Bond, I don't care, It's a fun ride and I love it.

    2016 Ranking.
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    The Spy Who Loved Me
    Dr. No
    Moonraker
    Live And Let Die
    From Russia With Love
    Thunderball
    Goldfinger
    The Man With The Golden Gun
    Diamonds are Forever
    You Only Live Twice
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Just had a double feature of FYEO and OP. FYEO was pretty good as my last viewing but it I think Spy was better this time around. OP was really enjoyable too.

    2016 Ranking.
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    The Spy Who Loved Me
    For Your Eyes Only
    Dr. No
    Moonraker
    Live And Let Die
    Octopussy
    From Russia With Love
    Thunderball
    Goldfinger
    The Man With The Golden Gun
    Diamonds are Forever
    You Only Live Twice

  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    Posts: 1,984
    I don't know how anyone can have anything but disgust for Jaws falling in love.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Honestly doesn't bother me. It's silly and out of nowhere but I enjoy it. :D
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Having just watched and really enjoyed Jaws in TSWLM, I am even more disappointed with what they did with him in MR. Such a change in character.

    However, I get where they were going with it now. The entire film (MR) is a mirror of TSWLM, but done in a more comedic, light hearted way. I guess they took this route to avoid direct comparisons with the previous film, and perhaps because they knew they were taking so many elements from it (world domination, similar villains, Jaws etc. etc.).

    Now, in retrospect, the two films sit side by side nicely. TSWLM is the serious twin, and MR is the jokey twin.

    Moore was also smart to play it the way he did in MR imho. It would have been foolish to take a 'serious' approach in a film that's so out of this world (so to speak).
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,400
    TSWLM was serious?
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    Compared to Moonraker, absolutely
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    TSWLM was serious?
    To me it was, and quite suspenseful as well. Certainly compared to MR, & also compared to many of the other 24 Bond films.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited May 2016 Posts: 11,189
    TSWLM has its silly moments but it does feel like a classy, epic spy adventure. MR however is a classy, epic parody.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,400
    bondjames wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    TSWLM was serious?
    To me it was, and quite suspenseful as well. Certainly compared to MR, & also compared to many of the other 24 Bond films.

    Really? I can count only about 5 or 6 that are less serious. Horses for courses, I suppose.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    That is exactly it. MR is a parody on TSWLM.
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,044
    bondjames wrote: »
    Having just watched and really enjoyed Jaws in TSWLM, I am even more disappointed with what they did with him in MR. Such a change in character.

    However, I get where they were going with it now. The entire film (MR) is a mirror of TSWLM, but done in a more comedic, light hearted way. I guess they took this route to avoid direct comparisons with the previous film, and perhaps because they knew they were taking so many elements from it (world domination, similar villains, Jaws etc. etc.).

    Now, in retrospect, the two films sit side by side nicely. TSWLM is the serious twin, and MR is the jokey twin.

    Moore was also smart to play it the way he did in MR imho. It would have been foolish to take a 'serious' approach in a film that's so out of this world (so to speak).

    But the seeds were sown in TSWLM for Jaws. Dropping a block on his foot set him out as a cartoon character with at least a strong element of humour. Not really a change in character in MR, just really ramping up the silliness.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    vzok wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Having just watched and really enjoyed Jaws in TSWLM, I am even more disappointed with what they did with him in MR. Such a change in character.

    However, I get where they were going with it now. The entire film (MR) is a mirror of TSWLM, but done in a more comedic, light hearted way. I guess they took this route to avoid direct comparisons with the previous film, and perhaps because they knew they were taking so many elements from it (world domination, similar villains, Jaws etc. etc.).

    Now, in retrospect, the two films sit side by side nicely. TSWLM is the serious twin, and MR is the jokey twin.

    Moore was also smart to play it the way he did in MR imho. It would have been foolish to take a 'serious' approach in a film that's so out of this world (so to speak).

    But the seeds were sown in TSWLM for Jaws. Dropping a block on his foot set him out as a cartoon character with at least a strong element of humour. Not really a change in character in MR, just really ramping up the silliness.
    Having just watched it two days ago, that is the one element that was taking Jaws to the camp side. However, they didn't overplay that moment. He dropped it, and they moved on quickly. Kiel's expressions are quite stern during the film, unlike his goofy turn in MR.

    I too used to lump Spy with Moonraker as being of the same ilk. They are very different beasts tonally. TSWLM is a serious film as far as I'm concerned, with very little camp. I noticed it even in the fight on the train. Moore is dead serious as Jaws has his hand around his neck. There's a look of fear in his eyes as he tries to get the lamp to shock his teeth - like he won't make it. That surprised me because I remembered it differently, again because I automatically remembered it as being more jovial than it is.
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,044
    I think they just took the feel and elements of TSWLM and turned them up to 11. I think that is why some of Moonraker doesn't work, too much silly humour etc.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    They definitely telegraphed from the pretitles that MR was going to be tonally different to TSWLM, with the Jaws arm flap. Everything just had more humour in it, with far less tension. Moore in particular hams it up at every turn in MR (except the centrifuge) & in every action scene, while in TSWLM he is noticeably more earnest.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,400
    There is 'very little camp' in TWSLM? This is all news to me. What about the comedy van in the desert music, Moore's endless joking while Jaws rips apart said van (Moore didn't seem very serious there), the Lawrence of Arabia music, Bonds car emerging from the water to a beachful of bewildered tourists?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    @Mendes4Lyfe, this is going to be another one of these situations where you and I are going to disagree.

    Certainly there is humour in those instances in TSWLM, but overwhelmingly I felt the tension in the scenes, and still do to this day. The overall impression I'm conveyed with at the Karnak Temple sequence is one of impending & real danger of Jaws. That continued through to the end fight in the shark tank. Despite the stone drop and Moore's joking with Anya (which was to show he was an unflappable Brit unlike XXX, who was panicking - Bach actually sold the fear really well in that scene imho despite her lack of acting skills elsewhere).

    From the opening mid air arm flap in MR, to the Rio scene onwards (let's not even start with Dolly) it's clear that MR is playing it for laughs.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,400
    bondjames wrote: »
    @Mendes4Lyfe, this is going to be another one of these situations where you and I are going to disagree.

    Certainly there is humour in those instances in TSWLM, but overwhelmingly I felt the tension in the scenes, and still do to this day. The overall impression I'm conveyed with at the Karnak Temple sequence is one of impending & real danger of Jaws. That continued through to the end fight in the shark tank, despite the stone drop and Moore's joking with Anya (which was to show he was an unflappable Brit unlike XXX, who was panicking - Bach actually sold the fear really well in that scene imho despite her lack of acting skills elsewhere).

    From the opening mid air arm flap in MR, to the Rio scene onwards (let's not even start with Dolly) it's clear that MR is playing it for laughs.

    I understand. I will agree that compared to MR, TWSLM is very grounded. Then again, I think that also applies to every other film in existence. Besides CR 67, of course. 8-}
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    Over the Bank Holiday added a couple more Bond films to the Bondathon, complete with the wit and wisdom of Bond and his ladies; Added Skyfall and Die Another Day


    Dr No 1962 ( "Are you looking for shells?" "No. I'm just looking" )

    You Only Live Twice 1967 ( "He wouldn't touch that horrible woman, would you?" "Heaven forbid")

    Octopussy 1983 ("Moneypenny, you become more beautiful every day" "I'm over here" "But of course you are")

    The World Is Not Enough 1999 ( "I've got to get it back, or someone's gonna have my ass" "First things first")

    Moonraker 1979 ("Can you think of a reason why we can't go for a drink after?" "Not immediately, but I'm sure I shall")

    For Your Eyes Only 1981 ( "He thinks I'm still a virgin" " Yes well, get your clothes on..and I'll buy you an ice-cream")

    The Living Daylights 1987 ("We're free" "Kara, we're in a Russian airbase in the middle of Afghanistan" "Well, at least we're together")

    Goldfinger 1964 ("My name is Pussy Galore" "I must be dreaming")

    Licence To Kill 1989 ( "Felix is still in the study and we've got to cut the cake" "I'll do anything for a woman with a knife")

    Live And Let Die 1973 ("Is there time for lesson number 3?" "Absolsutely darling, there's no sense going off half cocked")

    The Man With The Golden Gun 1974 ("I approve" "You do?" " Oh not the wine; the frock! Tight in all the right places and not too many buttons" )

    Spectre 2015 ("You shouldn't stare like that" "Well, you shouldn't look like that")

    Tomorrow Never Dies 1997 ("Every now and then, you get to work with a decadent agent of a corrupt Western power" "And they say Communists don't know how to have fun")

    From Russia With Love 1963 ("Will you make love to me when we are back in England?" "Day and night..now go on about the mechanism")

    Quantum Of Solace 2008 ("Bond, if you could possibly avoid killing every possible lead it would be greatly appreciated" "Yes ma'am..I'll do my best" )

    Thunderball 1965 ("Haven't you had enough exercise for one evening?" "Mm, funny you should say that")

    A View To A Kill 1985 ( "Quiche Des Cabinet" "Sounds interesting. What is it?" "An omelette")

    Skyfall (2012) ( "Can you kill him?" "Yes!" "Will you?" "Someone usually dies")

    Die Another Day (2002) ("You'd better stay here and keep up the charade of being lovers" "Alright. I must say I admire your restraint. You were here a full two hours before anything blew up")

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Finished AVTAK. It was probably my most positive experience viewing it. I've never disliked or loved it but I did enjoy it a lot this time. Moore didn't look so bad either. I noticed something funny. His first film had a wedding cake being ruined and his last film had a wedding cake being ruined. It's all come full circle. It's still a bottom rank movie but that doesn't make it bad. In fact this whole Bondathon has been nothing but a positive experience.

    2016 Ranking.
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    The Spy Who Loved Me
    For Your Eyes Only
    Dr. No
    Moonraker
    Live And Let Die
    Octopussy
    From Russia With Love
    Thunderball
    Goldfinger
    The Man With The Golden Gun
    A View To A Kill
    Diamonds are Forever
    You Only Live Twice
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited May 2016 Posts: 5,131
    I watched Dr No last night. What a brilliant film. very faithful to Fleming, exotic locations, great villain, classic Connery, great Felix Leiter/ Bond girls and Terence Young the best Bond Director of the franchise. The score could be improved, but apart from that a near flawless 007 film. 4th on my list to be exact.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,400
    suavejmf wrote: »
    I watched Dr No last night. What a brilliant film. very faithful to Fleming, exotic locations, great villain, classic Connery, great Felix Leiter/ Bond girls and Terence Young the best Bond Director of the franchise. The score could be improved, but apart from that a near flawless 007 film. 4th on my list to be exact.

    It's my number 1! :D great to see others giving DN some love. :)
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    Good taste. I don't think anyone can call themselves a Bond fan and not like DN! I wouldn't argue with it being anyone's number 1. It is my favourite Fleming novel.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    bondjames wrote: »
    vzok wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »

    But the seeds were sown in TSWLM for Jaws. Dropping a block on his foot set him out as a cartoon character with at least a strong element of humour. Not really a change in character in MR, just really ramping up the silliness.
    Having just watched it two days ago, that is the one element that was taking Jaws to the camp side. However, they didn't overplay that moment. He dropped it, and they moved on quickly. Kiel's expressions are quite stern during the film, unlike his goofy turn in MR.

    Yes but simply cutting out the block on foot moment, silly music in the desert when the van breaks down etc would make the film 10x better. Not a fan of Lewis Gilbert....he likes camp and comic far too much.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    suavejmf wrote: »
    I watched Dr No last night. What a brilliant film. very faithful to Fleming, exotic locations, great villain, classic Connery, great Felix Leiter/ Bond girls and Terence Young the best Bond Director of the franchise. The score could be improved, but apart from that a near flawless 007 film. 4th on my list to be exact.

    I rank it 4/24
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    After much debate with myself. I've decided to start a new Bondathon for 2016.
    Rather than do it in order, I'm going with a slightly random order.
    First up, the film that got me into Bond in the first place...

    The Spy Who Loved Me

    2016 Bondathon ranking

    1. The Spy Who Loved Me.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    First twelve will be...
    TSWLM-YOLT-TND-AVTAK-DAF-DAD-QOS-TMWTGG-LTK-SF-GE and MR.
    Followed by...
    TB-FYEO-FRWL-TWINE-LALD-GF-CR-TLD-OHMSS-SP-OP and DN.

    Trying to go with a mix, as well as putting some obvious films back to back. Spy and YOLT...DAF and DAD. I'm quite looking forward to seeing if it effects my overall rankings.
  • Artemis81Artemis81 In Christmas Land
    edited May 2016 Posts: 543
    Hopefully I'll get to start another bondathon soon, hopefully watch the rest of the film I didn't catch during my Spectre/Craig one from last year.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    Benny wrote: »
    First twelve will be...
    TSWLM-YOLT-TND-AVTAK-DAF-DAD-QOS-TMWTGG-LTK-SF-GE and MR.
    Followed by...
    TB-FYEO-FRWL-TWINE-LALD-GF-CR-TLD-OHMSS-SP-OP and DN.

    Trying to go with a mix, as well as putting some obvious films back to back. Spy and YOLT...DAF and DAD. I'm quite looking forward to seeing if it effects my overall rankings.

    I'll look forward to hearing about it @Benny

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