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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited May 2016 Posts: 40,968
    FRWL: a definite classic, but as great as it is, there are a few Connery additions that I manage to enjoy more than this.

    2016 Bondathon #3 Viewing Order:

    1.) 'Casino Royale' (1954)
    2.) 'Dr. No.' (1962)
    3.) 'From Russia With Love' (1963)

    Bond Ranking (#2):

    1.) DN
    2.) FRWL
  • tanaka123 wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Last night I watched Live & Let Die. Live and Let Die ushers in Roger Moore as the new James Bond. Moore is very different to Connery and Lazenby. He plays Bond as a more relaxed, charming, humorous character. Over the years, many people have said that the Moore incarnation of Bond lacks the brutality of Connery's and the hard masculinity, but actually Moore is not the kind of actor to do Bond in that manner. He's merely playing to his own strengths, and creating a Bond that is akin to his acting style. He also looks impeccable in his well tailored suits....classic 007.

    I feel that Roger makes a perfectly likable 007, admittedly different to the character of the novels, but still a rousing screen hero. The plot is less 'comic/ camp' than the poor DAF and Roger Moore's debut is his best film.

    Yaphet Kotto gives a strong performance as the infamous main villain, Dr. Kananga. Kananga has many colorful henchmen, like the grinning Tee Hee and the score is great too.

    Updating Ian Fleming's most controversial novel, Live And Let Die, the producers, writer Tom Mankiewicz, and director Guy Hamilton choose to embrace the action packed comical Bond film as seen in the previous Bond film Diamonds Are Forever. Unlike that film, which turned out to be a very mixed bag, it works here. Although I feel that Fleming's finale in the book (underwater treck/ sharks and keel hauling) is actually better the films finale.

    Yes, I find LALD's climax underwhelming.

    I will except GF, but otherwise Hamilton proves himself as the master of the underwhelming climax.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Three more movies completed in this 2016 Bondathon. A View To A Kill, Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day.
    View is a film I have mixed feelings for. On one hand I can't not like Roger Moore. Despite his age, despite he's too old to play Bond and the use of doubles is painfully obvious. Despite all of this, he still brings everything to the role. He still gives it his all. And then of course there's Chris Walken. But I must say I did notice a lot of poor editing and goofs this time around. Multiple actors being used for the same character. Gogol waiting outside the Hot Tub spa being one. The goons at Stacey's another. Add to that the doubles for Bond and this takes away from the overall experience.
    Diamonds on the other hand, which was my lowest ranked Bond has earned a redemption. Whether it was my mood, or maybe I'm just seeing the film differently. But I really quite enjoyed DAF. It's like no other Bond film. The quips and jokes are fast and furious. And possibly too much. But you accept them. The benign bizarre is raised to max, the characters are fantastic. Wint and Kidd, Willard Whyte...Klaus Hergesheimer. It's two hours of fun. And isn't that what we watch these movies for.
    Die Another Day was also another film that I enjoyed. Still plenty of flaws, terrible script at times. But Pierce is probably at his best in this movie. I wish we could've done better than Halle Berry. Though it's not the actresses fault entirely. Far too much CGI, but then the early 2000's were a time when films were ramping this relatively new movie making technique up. Way too many over the top and outlandish set pieces, but overall it is entertaining if you ignore the silliness. A surprise for sure.

    Rankings thus far.

    1. The Spy Who Loved Me
    2. You Only Live Twice
    3. Diamonds Are Forever
    4. Die Another Day
    5. Tomorrow Never Dies
    6. A View To A Kill

    Don't worry, still 18 more films to go. Loving seeing some of these films in a new light. I'm thinking my ranking could change overall judging by the first six I've watched.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    GF. For the past few years, I never would've expected this to not only rank highly, but to beat FRWL. I've always loved Connery's era, but lately, I've begun to appreciate his movies more and more. GF is one that has dragged in its pacing and not sat very well with me for quite some time, but to me, it is THE Bond movie, with everything being at its most classic: the scenes, the villains, the delivery of the iconic lines, the set pieces, all of it.

    2016 Bondathon #3 Viewing Order:

    1.) 'Casino Royale' (1954)
    2.) 'Dr. No.' (1962)
    3.) 'From Russia With Love' (1963)
    4.) 'Goldfinger' (1964)

    Bond Ranking (#2):

    1.) DN
    2.) GF
    3.) FRWL
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    The Bondathon continues;

    The Man With the Golden Gun ditches the original novel almost completely (the book was set in Jamaica, for a start, whereas the film is located in the Far East). However, it is still a fairly entertaining entry is the long-running series, and features three strong reasons for tuning in: 1)a classic Bond villain in the shape of Francisco Scaramanga 2)a classic villain's henchman in the shape of psycho dwarf NickNack, and 3)a great score. Theres also the most outrageous car stunt ever seen in a motion picture, rendered all the more impressive by the fact that it is not a computer enhanced sequence but was filmed for real (including that infamous loop-the-loop in the red sports car).

    Bond is played by Roger Moore for the second time. Moore is relaxed and easy-going in his usual manner, but shows a bit of Fleming’s 007 in parts of the script.
    Stunning Bond girls feature. However, Mary Goodnight is an incompetant bafoon that wouldn’t ever work for MI6. Some careful editing could improve this film tenfold (karate teens etc).

    The Spy Who Loved Me. After the commercial disspointment of THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN, producer Albert Broccoli, now solely in charge of the 007 franchise, had to re-evaluate the series for the third time in less than ten years. Certainly, Roger Moore plays lighter 007 than a Sean Connery-type Bond film, but couldn't some of the series' best elements be restored, and the comedy reduced a bit, to make Moore's Bond a bit more believable? Some careful editing could improve this film tenfold (Jaws should be a sinister henchman not clumsy fool etc).

    Many Bond fans hail this film as Moores best….their wrong. Whilst it has some great elements and ideas, it is too comic in tone. Gilbert in an interview said he “wanted Bond to become more like the books, more english and more humerous”. He clearly hadn’t ever read the Fleming novels.

    Moonraker. Roger Moore's fourth 007 epic is indeed a poor affair to say the least. After the success of previous Bond movie 'The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)' the Bond franchisers lose the plot completely with this entry in the long-running series. I'm a die hard Bond fan, I love the films and find it difficult to find fault in them. However, whilst the film has certain redeeming features (great one liners), in general this film is a parody. Some careful editing could improve this film tenfold.

    For Your Eyes Only: After 1979's sci-fi cartoon called Moonraker, Albert Broccoli and the rest of the James Bond producers decided to change the pace for Roger Moore's fifth adventure. This included firing incumbent director Lewis Gilbert and writing a more believable plot, to begin with. The second item on the agenda was to write a script which curbed Roger Moore's obsessive tendencies to pile on the jokes. Add a few good villains and allies, and voila! a classic James Bond adventure. Undeniably one of Roger Moore's best outings as 007. Thank God!!!

    Octopussy: Octopussy is a go-to Bond movie. It's one of the the easiest Bond movies to watch and one of the most entertaining action movies. Roger Moore is back as Bond to deliver one of his best performances. This is also the first Bond film to have two main villains - Steven Berkoff's wonderfully over-the-top performance as General Orlov and a classic villain Kamal Khan played by Louis Jordan. BUT many rightly criticise this film with comments centred around the overt humour that borders once more on parody. It’s an average Bond movie because of this. Some careful editing could improve this film tenfold.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I don t think Gilbert got fired.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Nicely written @suavejmf.

    I'm one of those big fans of TSWLM, and found Jaws quite threatening in the film (stone dropping aside) in contrast to his goofy turn in MR. I personally think it's definitely Moore's best film, if not his most Bondian performance.

    I like Goodnight as well. Her loyalty in the face of Bond's contempt is refreshing and alluring.

    I pretty much agree with your other comments.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    I agree. I will amend to 'got rid of'! His films made money, but his choices were so anti Fleming I wish he had been fired.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    TB.

    Great, but there are quite a few other Connery entries that I enjoy much, much more. That's the thing with his films, they all manage to rank rather highly, and no matter how they're organized, the ranking doesn't take away from how good the movies themselves are.

    2016 Bondathon #3 Viewing Order:

    1.) 'Casino Royale' (1954)
    2.) 'Dr. No.' (1962)
    3.) 'From Russia With Love' (1963)
    4.) 'Goldfinger' (1964)
    5.) 'Thunderball' (1965)

    Bond Ranking (#2):

    1.) DN
    2.) GF
    3.) FRWL
    4.) TB
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    The Bondathon continues;

    A View To A Kill seems to get more than its fair share of criticism. Often it is labelled the weakest of the Bond entries, but I most say it was a pleasant surprise with a tone similar to FYEO. The set pieces are memorable, including a parachute pursuit from the Eiffel Tower, a fire engine chase around the hilly streets of San Francisco, and an airship crash on the Golden Gate bridge. Moore looks a bit old for the part, however, he still has an easy-going charisma and 007 charm. Walken makes for a good, supremely confident villain, and is well backed by the fearsome Grace Jones. The violence is increased and the tone more serious as is Moore at times. The theme song from Duran Duran is rousing and the instrumental music by John Barry is stirring and dramatic. Moores 3rd/ 4th best Bond film (I haven't yet decided).
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited May 2016 Posts: 40,968
    YOLT. This movie is one that hasn't sat well with me in years past, but the last dozen times I've seen it, I've loved it more and more. Now, it's comfortably one of my favorites.

    2016 Bondathon #3 Viewing Order:

    1.) 'Casino Royale' (1954)
    2.) 'Dr. No.' (1962)
    3.) 'From Russia With Love' (1963)
    4.) 'Goldfinger' (1964)
    5.) 'Thunderball' (1965)
    6.) 'You Only Live Twice (1967)

    Bond Ranking (#2):

    1.) DN
    2.) GF
    3.) YOLT
    4.) FRWL
    5.) TB
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited May 2016 Posts: 40,968
    @Birdleson, I see the Top 4 staying in the Top 10, and if not, YOLT or FRWL may be edged out slightly. That'll mean my Top 12 or so are some of my absolute favorites. YOLT or FRWL may flip flop at some point, as will a few others, I'm sure.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    The Bondathon continues;

    The Living Daylights: Perhaps one of the most overlooked films in the James Bond series, this one (thank God) brought things back down to Earth for the series. Timothy Dalton is perhaps the most underrated actor to play James Bond, due to his rather brief stint as the character. He is terrific in both his films, and gives 007 a brooding that Bond has not had in any of his previous films. He was Fleming's Bond.

    Bar Necros, the Villains are poor. But, as James Bond Timothy Dalton is excellent, a fantastic choice to play the part. His decision to play the part more akin to the novels of Fleming than the humour of Roger Moore is an inspired choice. He is a mixture of the Fleming character and Sean Connery's Bond. While there is a serious nature here (the darker elements would be at the forefront, but more in the better Licence To Kill), there is still room for humour as seen in the car chase ("I've had a few optional extras installed" when talking about the gadgets). Coming off the Moore films, it may have been too soon for a return to the serious roots, but it works well in the long run.

    A great Bond film. But one thing Dalton lacks is that 'star quality' that the other actors have. Yes, he is the 'closest to Fleming's Bond', but he lacks that special something that great movie stars possess.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @Birdleson, I see the Top 4 staying in the Top 10, and if not, YOLT or FRWL may be edged out slightly. That'll mean my Top 12 or so are some of my absolute favorites. YOLT or FRWL may flip flop at some point, as will a few others, I'm sure.

    I've championed YOLT for years, defying the nay sayers, affording it the love it so richly deserves. Glad to see you giving it some love Creasy.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited May 2016 Posts: 40,968
    @NicNac, same! Just like GF, it took me way too long to get around to loving it again; never thought YOLT would be one of my most viewed Bond movies in a given year.

    EDIT: Managed to overlook a few extras already, so I'm just going to save the rest of the non-EON extras/films for the next go around.

    OHMSS: another one that I've flip-flopped on time and time again, but this time - much like the last dozen or so viewings - it sits as a favorite once again. Lazenby delivers with the only film he gets, and a mixture of lots of good characters, great action scenes, beautiful cinematography and lighting, and my favorite version of Blofeld make this a classic time and time again. Never thought it'd manage to trump the likes of FRWL, I just have a lot of fun every instance I watch it. Pretty comfortable with how the ranking looks so far.

    Bond Ranking (#2):

    1.) DN
    2.) GF
    3.) OHMSS
    4.) FRWL
    5.) YOLT
    6.) TB
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @NicNac, same! Just like GF, it took me way too long to get around to loving it again; never thought YOLT would be one of my most viewed Bond movies in a given year.

    EDIT: Managed to overlook a few extras already, so I'm just going to save the rest of the non-EON extras/films for the next go around.

    OHMSS: another one that I've flip-flopped on time and time again, but this time - much like the last dozen or so viewings - it sits as a favorite once again. Lazenby delivers with the only film he gets, and a mixture of lots of good characters, great action scenes, beautiful cinematography and lighting, and my favorite version of Blofeld make this a classic time and time again. Never thought it'd manage to trump the likes of FRWL, I just have a lot of fun every instance I watch it. Pretty comfortable with how the ranking looks so far.

    Bond Ranking (#2):

    1.) DN
    2.) GF
    3.) OHMSS
    4.) FRWL
    5.) YOLT
    6.) TB

    So do you love GF now? I remember you started that thread about 'why GF was never the greatest Bond film' at least I think that was you. Have you changed your mind since?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Mendes4Lyfe, that wasn't me that started that thread, and while I've never been completely anti-GF, there was a long stretch of time where I simply didn't get what all the fuss was about; I knew that the films offers up a lot of classic lines and moments, but it was one that managed to drag a lot for me and I could never seem to enjoy it as much as everyone else did. However, yes, my opinion has changed recently, and I'm on the heavily-pro-GF team now.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Truth prevails in the end.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @Mendes4Lyfe, that wasn't me that started that thread, and while I've never been completely anti-GF, there was a long stretch of time where I simply didn't get what all the fuss was about; I knew that the films offers up a lot of classic lines and moments, but it was one that managed to drag a lot for me and I could never seem to enjoy it as much as everyone else did. However, yes, my opinion has changed recently, and I'm on the heavily-pro-GF team now.

    My apologises, that was @Pierce2Daniel that said that. You both have Brosnan as your profile pic. :P
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    DAF.

    It has its moments and is still entertaining enough (theme song, Bond vs. Franks, Vegas chase scene, a few other random moments and lines), but overall, it's my least favorite of Connery's.

    Bond Ranking (#2):

    1.) DN
    2.) GF
    3.) OHMSS
    4.) FRWL
    5.) YOLT
    6.) TB
    7.) DAF
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Licence to Kill: This is the most underrated film in the series. It's ironic that the first of the EON films not to draw its title directly from an Ian Fleming story is also the closest in spirit to Fleming since "On Her Majesty's Secret Service." "License to Kill" features a realistic, believable story. Add to it the equal ruthlessness of Bond and Sanchez in their respective portrayals by Dalton and Davi and you have a movie that will stand out over time as one of the best in the series. Talisa Soto is also the most attractive Bond girl in the entire series. The score isn't half bad either.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    LALD.

    Always been one of my favorites, it's an absolute classic in my eyes and is my second favorite of Moore's. Amazing title song and title sequences, Moore is great in his first entry as Bond, I love the rest of the cast, and we get some great action sequences. Can't ask for more than that.

    Bond Ranking (#2):

    1.) DN
    2.) LALD
    3.) GF
    4.) OHMSS
    5.) FRWL
    6.) YOLT
    7.) TB
    8.) DAF
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    A great entry! Top Ten easy.

    Absolutely, it's too damn good!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    A great entry! Top Ten easy.

    Absolutely, it's too damn good!
    Count me in as a fan. It's quirky, and full of charismatic villains. Moore is great in it to. I almost wish he had started earlier so we could have had 'more' of younger Moore.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    And so three more films completed on my Bondathon for 2016.
    Quantum Of Solace, The Man With The Golden Gun and Licence To Kill.
    Quantum I've struggled with for a while now. It does have some great moments. And Daniel Craig is fine, no problems there. It's just as a follow up to Casino Royale it's a massive let down. I actually find it quite boring at times. It has plenty of action, and the shortest running time as well. But the villainous scheme of stealing the Bolivian water supply is frankly, dull.
    Surprisingly Man With The Golden Gun was a breath of fresh air this time around. I rather enjoyed it. Though still needs a lot of editing to remove all the annoying bits. So 20% of the movie then. Sir Rog and the late great Christopher Lee are splendid. Scaramanga must surely rank as one of Bond's all time great villains. And then there's his island. Still hate the dated 70's energy crisis angle, but all the same I did enjoy the film as a whole more than usual.
    Similar experience with Licence To Kill. This is a film that's kind of yo-yo'd around for a while. But this time I was right into it. Yes it looks like an episode of Miami Vice at times, what with the DA screaming to know what's going on and all. But this is a very good Bond film. Before we had to look at Bond's psyche in every film, this was the first film to shake things up a bit. Timothy Dalton was superb in this film, such a pity he didn't make a couple more after. And as with Chris Lee, Robert Davi is a wonderful villain in the evil Sanchez. Very enjoyable film, and one of John Glens best.

    Current rankings thus far...

    1. The Spy Who Loved Me
    2. Licence To Kill
    3. You Only Live Twice
    4. Diamonds Are Forever
    5. The Man With The Golden Gun
    6. Die Another Day
    7. Tomorrow Never Dies
    8. A View To A Kill
    9. Quantum Of Solace
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Goldeneye: Pierce Brosnan's first effort as Bond is a remarkable one. The movie has good acting, good action, and humour. It's great escapism from start to finish. The women are beautiful and Famke Jannsen and Sean Bean play are fantastic additions to the cast. The score is dire but the Martin Campbell provides great direction. It is sad to remember how poor future scripts caused Brosnan's tenure to be the worst of the series. But this was a great start. Brosnan has the look, the style, the intelligence and the bravado that a James Bond should have...and the came his next 3 films.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    TMWTGG.

    While it doesn't trump those that come before it, this has been my least favorite Bond for many years, until the viewing before this, where it really clicked that there were quite a few good scenes and there isn't as much to dislike as I previously believed. So, this latest viewing was better than it usually goes, but at this point in the Bondathon, it's still one of my least favorites (and may flip flop with DAF.)

    Bond Ranking (#2):

    1.) DN
    2.) LALD
    3.) GF
    4.) OHMSS
    5.) FRWL
    6.) YOLT
    7.) TB
    8.) TMWTGG
    9.) DAF
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Goldeneye: Pierce Brosnan's first effort as Bond is a remarkable one. The movie has good acting, good action, and humour. It's great escapism from start to finish. The women are beautiful and Famke Jannsen and Sean Bean play are fantastic additions to the cast. The score is dire but the Martin Campbell provides great direction. It is sad to remember how poor future scripts caused Brosnan's tenure to be the worst of the series. But this was a great start. Brosnan has the look, the style, the intelligence and the bravado that a James Bond should have...and the came his next 3 films.
    Agreed. GE was a great beginning. Which is why the next three were rather large let downs in comparison. I don't mind TND, but it's nowhere in the same league as GE, which is tight, without much of the gadget tropes.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Yeah, then they dropped off a cliff with TWINE.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    TSWLM.

    I get very indecisive at times when it comes to selecting my favorite of Moore's, and this is most certainly one of them. It's great all along, particularly the locations, the breath-taking ski jump during the PTS, the big battle between the crews aboard the Liparus, and the death of Stromberg.

    Bond Ranking (#2):

    1.) DN
    2.) LALD
    3.) GF
    4.) OHMSS
    5.) TSWLM
    6.) FRWL
    7.) YOLT
    8.) TB
    9.) TMWTGG
    10.) DAF
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