Would you like a Moneypenny Diaries BBC Miniseries?

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  • edited December 2013 Posts: 12,837
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Initiatives like these serve only one purpose, to dilute a franchise

    I haven't read them but from what I can tell, the purpose here would be to adapt a good series of books.
    DarthDimi wrote:
    People seem so focused on putting out more product, they forget that in the end the smart thing is to simply make a bloody good film every once in a while.

    They could make a one off TV series and still make the films. In fact I don't see how it'd affect the film series at all.
    DarthDimi wrote:
    We have 14 great Fleming novels, 23 (or 25) films among which true jewels can be found. And we have the soundtracks and tons of books on the subject of James Bond and the James Bond films. Isn't that enough?

    By that logic why make the computer games? Why carry on the series at all, isn't 23 films more than enough really?
    DarthDimi wrote:
    What's next? The Adventures of 008? The Young Ernst Stavro Blofeld Chronicles? The Quantum Files: Prequel To Casino Royale? Comedy Hour With Boris Grishenko? The Jinx And Zao Show? Cooking With Stacey? The Annual Victor Tournjanski "Man-With-Bottle" Awards? Oddjob Goes To Camp? Herr Stamper's House Of Pain (adult entertainment)? May Day: The Animated Series?

    And here we go with the ridiculous comparisons. This reminds me of the posters who say stupid stuff like "what's next, a white guy playing a slave?!" when the topic of a black Bond is bought up.

    A one off mini series based on a handful of well received books is in no way similar to any of those things you mentioned. Although for the record, I wouldn't mind a Blofeld origin story.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    SaintMark wrote:
    At least read the books and recognise that they were done brilliantly and easily put all the recent 007 novels in the shadow.

    The Moneypenny diaries shows a far better Moneypenny than that Mendes generated person.

    I would love seeing the moneypenny diaries but faithfull to the books, as a period piece mostly.
    Fair point as I have not read the books. I really have no desire to if I am to be honest. I certainly do not begrudge you or anyone else the right to enjoy them. If we are talking period pieces I'd much rather have Moonraker or You Only Live Twice please.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @thelivingroyale, what you say makes sense, sir, and I myself have since long been a defender of the idea of a TV series that faithfully adapts Fleming's novels.

    But the more spin-off material you put out - not in written form but as a TV series or movies - the more your franchise begins to smell of Lucasian greed. Of course I put the ridiculous comparisons in there because unfortunately, that's how it goes. If one spin-off proves successful, greedy people will only dig deeper and produce more ridiculous content. Take Terminator. Two good films and lots of comic books wasn't enough. They gave us more sequels in the movie canon plus a television series in an alternative Cameron movie canon. Next they released material assembled from the Salvation video game as an animated feature, the Machinima series! Now they're working on a reboot, no doubt with more extra product planned.

    Of course I have the choice to not mind and just stick with the stuff I like. But when you have a certain love for a franchise, you hate to see it inflict so many wounds on itself.

    Another argument I'd like to bring up is that MP and Q were never much more than superficial characters; formula fillers with only a minor few truly pivotal moments throughout the films. Nothing in the Fleming books or the movies shows any sign that there's any back-story of interest for these characters. So someone has to do a lot of plotting to give us something interesting since there isn't the least bit of stuff in the Fleming vault to tie it to. James Bond was never about this kind of myth or world building. We move from story to story without relying too much on continuity or even consistency for that matter. Unlike the Star Trek or Batman universes, most Bond adventures are fairly stand-alone adventures. I wonder in what way spin-off series can contribute to the already loosely interconnected Bond universe?

    Lastly, I haven't even too big a problem with this MP TV series suggestion. I'm told the MP diaries are good books and I intend to read them myself one day. But hardly a few hours after this topic was brought up again, someone suggested a Q book series. Not a single book for fun, mind, but a serious Q book series. How could that even work? What does one put into such a book series? Thomas Harris can hardly piece together four decent Hannibal Lecter stories and now we should get a book series on the funny quartermaster of the Bond films? Which Q will it be modelled on? The Wisham Q, thereby throwing off all those Bond fans who will cry blasphemy over the memory of dear Desmond Llewellyn? Or the Llewellyn Q, thereby blasting this thing immediately out of continuity with the current films? You see where the ridiculous comparisons come from? ;-)

    I'm sorry I can't see this thing work. Bond isn't like Superman or The Avengers. In the land of superhero comics, you can take even the most insignificant character and pull him into his very own comic series. But the James Bond books/films have so much to offer already, why then should we - and I use the word again - dilute the series further. Also, I do see this interfere with the films as I can't see EON selling parts of their property to other studios. They'd have to occupy themselves with all these things at once and in the mean time produce a good Bond film, which is ultimately what we expect.

    That said, I'm not going Rambo over this. I simply can't see it work and I say so. I used ridicule to make a point, but it's nothing too serious really. Plus, I like the debate. ;-)
  • SaintMark wrote:
    pachazo wrote:
    I think the bottom line is that Moneypenny is just not an interesting enough character to carry a story much less an entire series. We got to see more of her than we ever have before in SF and the results were disappointing. Just keep her as the minor character that she was intended to be.

    At least read the books and recognise that they were done brilliantly and easily put all the recent 007 novels in the shadow.

    The Moneypenny diaries shows a far better Moneypenny than that Mendes generated person.

    I would love seeing the moneypenny diaries but faithful to the books, as a period piece mostly.

    Really? I think Moneypenny was done extremely well in SF. It would have been too easy to simply reintroduce her in her first-scene as M's secretary, so I applaud the decision to weave her into the narrative and make her a key component to the story. Not only did Eve help with Bond's character arc (she after all delivered the fatal shot that broke him) but she had her own arc: that of naive field-operative who comes to realise that she may not be cut out for the job. The great thing about SF's ending and Mendes's return is that the possibilities for Bond 24 are endless we're just really been introduced to Mallory, Eve and Q so it's going to be a lot of fun re-exploring who those characters are in a modern context. It's one of the reasons the GB at the end works so well: it's a new beginning.

    As for a pitch for the Moneypenny show; I think she could easily be made more 'interesting' to fit say a 4-hour-miniseries. I think it's integral to keep the tone of Westbrook's book but I don't think strict fidelity is necessary. You have to make Moneypenny central to the intrigue and adventure whilst dealing in with the politics of the time. I'm thinking something along the lines of the 'Cambridge Spies' miniseries starring Toby Stephens a few years ago.
    I agree with @Pierce2Daniel insomuch as I think Moneypenny's reintroduction into SF was extremely well done and a great approach for the movie franchise as it depicts a modern Bond.
    From a literary perspective, I thought Samantha Weinberg's Moneypenny Diaries were absolutely genius and had huge unisex appeal. A significant part of that appeal was the story being uncovered and related by Moneypenny's niece, Kate Westbrook. That aspect of things should be maintained and personally, I'd be in favour of a high quality period adaptation that remained completely faithful to the books and which had the phenomenal production values of 'Cambridge Spies'.
    I'm surprised IFP & EON haven't got together and discussed both this and the 'Young Bond' franchise. It wouldn't step on anybody's toes and would be additional revenue for both parties.
  • 007InVT007InVT Classified
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    Hayley Atwell would be a great choice too:

    hayley-atwell.jpg
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    Seriously, a series from the perspective of Moneypenny? Another member recently suggested a series from the perspective of Q. What's next? The Adventures of 008? The Young Ernst Stavro Blofeld Chronicles? The Quantum Files: Prequel To Casino Royale? Comedy Hour With Boris Grishenko? The Jinx And Zao Show? Cooking With Stacey? The Annual Victor Tournjanski "Man-With-Bottle" Awards? Oddjob Goes To Camp? Herr Stamper's House Of Pain (adult entertainment)? May Day: The Animated Series?

    Sign me up for "Oddjob Goes to Camp".
  • Posts: 8
    Sign me up too, could be good given talent and true flair for direction.
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    May Day the animated series.............imageine this animated

  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Really? I think Moneypenny was done extremely well in SF. It would have been too easy to simply reintroduce her in her first-scene as M's secretary, so I applaud the decision to weave her into the narrative and make her a key component to the story. Not only did Eve help with Bond's character arc (she after all delivered the fatal shot that broke him) but she had her own arc: that of naive field-operative who comes to realise that she may not be cut out for the job. The great thing about SF's ending and Mendes's return is that the possibilities for Bond 24 are endless we're just really been introduced to Mallory, Eve and Q so it's going to be a lot of fun re-exploring who those characters are in a modern context. It's one of the reasons the GB at the end works so well: it's a new beginning.

    Except that it was pretty obvious that she was Moneypenny, I did like the idea.
  • Posts: 15,123
    I don't see the point of such spin off series.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    007InVT wrote:
    Hayley Atwell would be a great choice too:

    hayley-atwell.jpg

    She just needs to be cast as a Bond girl. Period.

  • Posts: 15,123
    I really am dumbfounded here. People complain that Moneypenny was featured too much in SF. People worry she will be featured heavily again in Bond 24, do some work in the field, yadda, yadda, yadda. Yet they'd be happy with a Moneypenny miniseries? I mean really?

    If you want to see the extensive role of a secretary in MI6, watch The Sandbaggers. The secretaries are not the main characters, but they have their time in the spotlight. Quite interesting actually, but the series is a quasi-documentary that takes the exact opposite road to the Bond movies.
  • Posts: 7,653
    Ludovico wrote:
    I really am dumbfounded here. People complain that Moneypenny was featured too much in SF. People worry she will be featured heavily again in Bond 24, do some work in the field, yadda, yadda, yadda. Yet they'd be happy with a Moneypenny miniseries? I mean really?

    If you want to see the extensive role of a secretary in MI6, watch The Sandbaggers. The secretaries are not the main characters, but they have their time in the spotlight. Quite interesting actually, but the series is a quasi-documentary that takes the exact opposite road to the Bond movies.

    Read the books, this would be a period piece with some real world politics thrown in. Hardly a competition for the movie series.

  • Posts: 5,745
    DarthDimi wrote:
    The Quantum Files: Prequel To Casino Royale?

    If this is what House of Cards turns out to be in some magical twist of fate and logic, then I'll allow it.
  • Posts: 15,123
    SaintMark wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    I really am dumbfounded here. People complain that Moneypenny was featured too much in SF. People worry she will be featured heavily again in Bond 24, do some work in the field, yadda, yadda, yadda. Yet they'd be happy with a Moneypenny miniseries? I mean really?

    If you want to see the extensive role of a secretary in MI6, watch The Sandbaggers. The secretaries are not the main characters, but they have their time in the spotlight. Quite interesting actually, but the series is a quasi-documentary that takes the exact opposite road to the Bond movies.

    Read the books, this would be a period piece with some real world politics thrown in. Hardly a competition for the movie series.

    I have other books to read, and plenty of them. And I prefer to read Fleming than his pastiches, which I don't care for. Period piece or not, it would be distracting.
  • Posts: 7,653
    Ludovico wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    I really am dumbfounded here. People complain that Moneypenny was featured too much in SF. People worry she will be featured heavily again in Bond 24, do some work in the field, yadda, yadda, yadda. Yet they'd be happy with a Moneypenny miniseries? I mean really?

    If you want to see the extensive role of a secretary in MI6, watch The Sandbaggers. The secretaries are not the main characters, but they have their time in the spotlight. Quite interesting actually, but the series is a quasi-documentary that takes the exact opposite road to the Bond movies.

    Read the books, this would be a period piece with some real world politics thrown in. Hardly a competition for the movie series.

    I have other books to read, and plenty of them. And I prefer to read Fleming than his pastiches, which I don't care for. Period piece or not, it would be distracting.

    I found the Moneypenny diaries easily the best Non-Fleming books when it comes to the world of 007. Well worth your time and surprisingly good to read as the story is partially situated in the Fleming years.

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