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http://io9.com/the-one-literary-reference-you-must-know-to-appreciate-1523076497
So really, I bet we could pick up on plenty of things when we watch it a second or third time, especially symbolism.
The comments (there are hundreds of them!) are worth reading, too, btw.
(Also my list of stuff to read just got longer.)
http://www.slashfilm.com/vince-vaughn-true-detective-season-2/
I'm still hoping Colin Farrell really does get on board for this one, too.
The very ending is pretty special; in just a few minutes it had me laughing, crying, laughing again, and then grinning ... and then grinning some more for a long time afterwards.
I have my friend buying the DVD set for me and shipping it to me here. I can't wait!
http://www.slashfilm.com/elisabeth-moss-true-detective-season-2-cast/
I'm not crazy about her, so I suppose we'll wait and see how she does.
But then, I didn't know the main actresses in the first season either and they would very good indeed.
Read the article - they are giving details of the story and characters, so if folks do not want any spoilers perhaps they should not read that. I don't mind knowing some ideas.
Also - I really appreciated the director for the season 1 a lot, and he is not coming back. I enjoyed his style so very much and he sure got great performances from all actors, even those in lesser roles. It is so important that good directors are on board for season 2. Apparently it will feature several directors, not just one.
I hate when television series have more than one director (which is almost always) because 95% of the time there's a lack of aesthetic cohesiveness between episodes.
I do want Colin and Vince. But that is because I know their work a bit and I think they may bring something really substantial to this season 2.
Apparently, the creator of the show has been accused of plagiarism:
http://defamer.gawker.com/true-detective-creator-accused-of-plagiarism-1616949034
The show did just win for: cast (casting director), cinematography, main title design, and make-up for a single camera series (non-prosthetic).
Congratulations to all involved with this great first season. =D>
Yay! I love the quality of this show.
As for the plagiarism, it is being roundly denied by all parties involved with the show. I hope all allegations are false, of course. I'm not particularly worried about this as I have not read of this advancing further, with any evidence of anything. So let us hope it was truly the writer's work; and if so, that these allegations are put to rest. The writing is outstanding.
I am rooting for Matthew (although he'd have to beat out Woody to do so, and Woody was great, too); the director, Cary Joji Fukunaga; the writer, Nic Pizolatto; and for the series itself to win an Emmy. Good competition this year in many categories.
http://deadline.com/2014/08/nic-pizzolatto-hbo-refute-true-detective-plagiarism-claims-816105/
As for the plagiarism allegations, I don't think they hold much weight. Yes, Pizzolatto lifted some ideas/statements from sources on philosophy, but he did so in a naturalistic way. What I mean by that is Rust would naturally have a lot of the same thoughts Nietzsche and Ligotti did because of his nihilistic beliefs, and would have likely read some of their books to influence his own feelings, so Pizzolatto made that feel very realistic and natural as well as part of his character, and has been open about the influences those men had on his work. The only gripe I have with him is a scene he ripped from an Alan Moore comic book that he hasn't been as up front about:
http://www.vulture.com/2014/03/true-detective-finale-comics-alan-moore-homage.html
By the way, I agree about your thoughts on the natural writing and Rust quoting others. I am no expert but I have not read any verified examples of true plagiarism in True Detective (and one thinks examples would have been found by now).
"Once there was only black." That exact line. And talking about winning. White being light and good and black being dark and bad is rather universal, though. Seems like he really was influenced by this comic for just that particular bit of dialog. Do we know if he likes this comic?
He's a big comics fan, and has been since childhood, naming creators like Moore as some of his biggest favorites and influences.
I think a lot of peoples' problems with Pizzolatto aren't the kinds of things he lifted from other works, but because of how silent he has been on some of his influences before being accused. Only until he was put under fire did he name drop his influences, so many take that as him saving face and trying to act like he was giving credit where it was due all along instead of acting like all the ideas were his own. As for me, I'm not Pizzolatto so I won't judge him, as I don't know what his mindset was while writing the script or if he actively stole the work. I don't think he had any of those intentions in mind, and was simply taking some of his biggest influences and packing them into his narrative in an effective and powerful way that served to deepen the characters and the impact of the story as a whole.
What I consider actual plagiarism is, for instance, a recent example from the UK: a guy wrote (non-fiction) books that lifted whole paragraphs from articles written by his colleagues in British and I think one major US paper, without giving credit and collecting his paychecks. If it had happened once or twice it could have been carelessness, some mistake, but when it's maybe hundreds of borrowed paragraphs over years there's no excuse. He is currently suspended by the paper who he's worked for, while they investigate. But I've seen enough evidence never to trust or respect him even if he gets to work at his previous job again. Stealing, plain and simple.
Influences is another matter. Didn't people start pointing out influences in True Detective as soon as they'd seen it? Surely it wouldn't have been ideal for Pizzolatto to start discussing the influences beforehand? He has discussed them in interviews after people had a chance to see the series and that's fine by me. I was pleased to be ignorant while watching and not having any clues or anything revealed in advance, and am now fascinated by references and have a list of stuff I'm curious to read if I manage to find the time to do so.
I also think how would you bring this up, if you were the writer? In any interview .... would you have a set statement ready to say something like] "Yes, Rust quoted or was obviously influenced by people such as _____ and ______. The Yellow King and Carcosa are things mentioned in ________ and a comic I enjoy mentioned the dark and light in an interesting way that I picked up and ran with. " etc. It all feels awkward. He did "run with" these themes and various quotes, to tell his own story with his own characters.
I guess if I were the writer and I were asked, I would say of course various things influenced the characters, including Rust's outlook on life, his philosophy he elaborates on throughout the film. If it was important (I'd have to really be in the writer's situation to know this, and I don't) I'd say that the light vs. dark motif at the end was a nod towards that particular comic.
And Brady, you said: I think a lot of peoples' problems with Pizzolatto aren't the kinds of things he lifted from other works, but because of how silent he has been on some of his influences before being accused. Only until he was put under fire did he name drop his influences, so many take that as him saving face and trying to act like he was giving credit where it was due all along instead of acting like all the ideas were his own.
I guess that is maybe why some people are upset with him, yes. but I feel it may be overreacting. Does a writer, or any artist, need to immediately (especially after a wildly successful effort) acknowledge their influences? I guess it is a gracious thing to do, yes. But the timing of that, and how to acknowledge particular influences in his or her own work, is influenced by many things, including the artist's own personality.
But plagiarism? Not from what I can tell. I sincerely want Nic Pizzolatto win the Emmy for this; I think he deserves it. I really don't want tinges of plagiarism to ruin this for him.
People who read about the plagiarism allegations also need to do their own investigating, and not listen to the word of mouth.
http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/TV/2014/08/22/True-Detective-season-two-not-as-dark-says-HBO/1341408730316/?spt=sec&or=en