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No Q - he's been absent in films before.. do we not count those either?
No Moneypenny - didn't bother me in the slightest... why force a character into the end of a story that picks up right where CR left off?
superficial problems to say the least...
i grow tired of people using the No Bond theme, No Q, No Moneypenny cop outs... the only one that really holds any water IMO is the gun barrel.. thats about it.... i would take an amazing movie that had none of those elements - than a lousy film that had all of them... thats all i gotta say..
But don't put words into my mouth saying that I wouldn't welcome back of those elements, or that i don't like them... because i do, and because I would welcome them back... but not in way that they are thrown in there just for the sake of throwing them in there just for the hell of it - because "that is what defines a Bond movie" - to me, thats just angry fanboy nonsense... if they aid to the plot, then so be it - put them in...
i respect your opinions - please don't assume that you can just trample over mine...
I'll just resign from this debate - with an "Agree to Disagree"... both of us have our views and personal feelings - and it's obvious neither of us are going to budge off... i like CR and QOS, and you don't... let's just leave it at that shall we...
The Q/Moneypenny argument is understandable. They were good characters, but hardly essential. By half way through Moore's time as Bond the Q/Penny scenes were being crow barred in just so they were there. By the time Brosnan was on board these scenes (or at least the Q scenes) were getting clumsier and slightly uncomfortable.
They looked under-rehearsed.
Brosnan was hamming it up and his Q scenes in GE and TWINE were probably his worst acting in the series.
By all means bring them back, but it needs an overhaul. And I think Craig would do them justice.
But, to answer @dragonsky, there are many, many elements to a Bond film which establishes it as a Bond film. Q and MP are not as essential as you may think
Super 8 just got a hand-drawn poster... Could Bond also return to the classical posters that were really awesome?
I hope so. The early Bond posters were fantastic and it's a part of the franchise's history which should be mined again. The "James Bond Movie Posters" book by Tony Nourmand is a collection of all the film posters from Dr No to Die Another Day. It shows that the early stuff is exceptional. Well worth picking up, if you haven't already.
Not only would it have a positive effect on the 007 fans eagerly awaiting the next film, but it would also be a good way to advertise to those who haven't been interested in a James Bond movie. Straight commercials and posters don't grab and keep people's attention like interactive/viral or guerrilla marketing.
When viral ads/sites for video games are getting more attention than the advertising of the largest of the movie franchises, something is at least a little bit wrong.
Ah, the ideas are getting me excited. Roll on details!
In TV, CBS has been using YouTube and the Internet as part of its marketing for the Hawaii Five-0 reboot. Five-0 also was represented at last year's San Diego comic book convention (2 actors and an executive producer), which included the unveiling of a video showing how the theme had been re-recorded in a more traditional arrangement.
So far, Bond 23 had had a haphazard publicity buildup. Eon put out a press release about hiring Peter Morgan before he had done a treatment. Since then, it has barely said anything. Its press release that Bond 23 was back on after the MGM bankruptcy didn't mention Judi Dench was coming back. That wouldn't come until Dame Judi had a BBC interview. There was also the Sam Mendes tease. Mendes told the Wall Street Journal that it was only "speculation" that he might direct while his publicist confirmed there had been talks. Oops.
Dench was confirmed as to staying on as M before and during the MGM financial crisis - just like Craig...
with Mendes, here is the thing... in Hollywood, nothing is official until the dotted line is signed.. and i'm EON and Mendes agreed that he was their guy, but until the situation with MGM gets cleared up, he'd be a "special adviser" (as they couldn't contractually move forward in hiring a director, because a director's salary is factored in the production budget, which they obviously didn't have yet) - anyone with half a brain could read between those lines and see past that phony title....
every Bond movie (and every film for that matter) has rumors swirling around production, it's the nature of the industry.... MGM and EON haven't publicly started campaigning the film yet - which they likely won't do until right before filming, when they have their press conference to formally announce the cast to the media.
2. The short press release saying Bond 23 had a release date didn't include any mention of Judi Dench. Again, that was clumsy.
3. Other movies are beginning their marketing long before the movie hits theaters, such as Cowboys and Aliens and the Batman movie coming out in 2012. Eon may want to study such marketing efforts to see if they can be adapted to Bond.
Batman - is currently being shot... thus, they would have stuff to leak to the internet....
also realize the amount of time these movies are made in - and then released.... your logic would hold water if they wrapped up filming this year, and then were ready to release it next year..... Bond 23 is being scheduled to start filming somewhere between October and December of this year - with a wrapping date probably around February or March - which then the film will be edited - with a teaser to be released by the start of the summer blockbuster season..... it's been that way for a long time
but usually when production is going on - either production stills, or set pics are usually released... when Bond is being filmed, it's big news - so there is usually cameras all over the place....
again - both CR and QOS combined for nearly over $1.2 billion at the box office, i'd say their marketing for now is just fine.
They hired someone -- Peter Morgan -- who later said he didn't care for the Bond character and made a big deal of it *before* he ever completed a treatment. It was Morgan who later said he never finished a treatment. And he had *months* to do a treatment before MGM's financial situation worsened.
They couldn't get their stories straight -- Mendes said it was only "speculation" that he might direct Bond 23 while his publicist acknowledged there had least been talks.
When they put out the release that Bond 23 was back on track, they put out a short press release. Judi Dench had not been publicly confirmed before that. They didn't do so in the release. Dench had to get the news out herself via a BBC interview.
None of this is good marketing.
Mendes says "speculation" - his publicist says "in talks"... toma(y)to - toma(h)to....... how was this a black mark? - he's directing the bloody thing now ain't he??... as i said previously - anyone with half a brain knew exactly what was going on...... by this same theory - every time a new actor is "rumored" to be the next Bond, or possibly star in the next movie - but then those rumors get denied.. then those would all be bad publicity right? - horrible marketing right?.......
IT'S NOT MARKETING! - IT'S JUST THE NEWS!! - I don't think the new heads of MGM and EON, are going to put out a bunch of false news, thinking "this is brilliant marketing" ... around productions like this, people talk - and that person tells someone else, who tells someone else, who knows a guy who knows someone that works for news source (reliable or not) and thats how these stories break... it's not MGM or EON making official announcements....... god man, get a clue...
what they have OFFICIALLY announced thus far, is this.... Bond 23, written by Neal Purvis, Robert Wade and John Logan, will be released in October of 2012 (in the UK) and November (US).. it will star (as of right now) Daniel Craig as James Bond and Judi Dench as M... Sam Mendes is directing, and Roger Deakins will be his DOP... that's it - that's all "they" (MGM and EON) have put out there in terms of marketing... anything else, is purely speculation and rumors floating around (unconfirmed) about anything else.
Also, Eon didn't announce Roger Deakins. Deakins announced it on his website.
Very little of this has been coordinated. Dench and Deakins made their own announcements. Eon didn't.That's what I mean about being haphazard.
Also, remember when there was the 1989-1995 hiatus. There was an Eon-endorsed fan convention in Los Angeles in October 1994 -- months before the cameras started rolling on GoldenEye -- to build interest in the new 007 film.
Haserot, we'll just have to agree to disagree. So far, the marketing seems pretty haphazard to me. While Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace had large grosses, those films were five and three years ago respectively. That doesn't ensure Bond 23 is being marketed well.
Also, I'm not urging "false news." That's a straw man argument (i.e. I never advocated "false news," you're criticizing something I never called for) I'm just urging straight talk. Mendes, in early 2010, clearly was not playing it straight when he said it was "speculation." It may not have all been nailed down, but it was not specualtion. The most tactful way to put it was that Mendes was mistaken.
Bond 23 going viral with those kind of things would be great
If it's a matter of YT, you can link us to them. If you somehow ripped them from the DVD's or downloaded them from someone who did, you are by no means allowed to share said files openly on this forum.
That said, I believe most of us have links to the trailers, to compilations of the trailers, and of course to the bonus features on the DVD's and BR's.
I downloaded them off the internet over the years, some are mpeg, some are VOB, some are avi, some are mkv; I don't know where thee people who posted them got them.
The ones for CR and QoS I got off the official James Bond website and Apple Trailer page - they are not illegal.
But why should they be illegal? You are saying I can't share them unless they were from YouTube.
Where do you think YouTube gets their stuff from?
If I was to upload any of these trailers from my collection to YouTube, then in your opinion they go from being illegal to legal?
Pretty thin logic you are using there!!
1. "Super 8 just got a hand-drawn poster". No, it did not. That hand-drawn poster is fan-made.
2. "Morgan never finished a treatment". Yes, he did finish a treatment. Proof:
(from 3:52 to 4:20)
you are like the Senator that wants to pass the Protect IP law - draconian and dumb!
Accept what Darth Dimi has posted, and move on. No need for the snide comments anytime a mod requests you conform to the sites rules.
Capiche?
I am not arguing with him; just pointing out what he said.
Not every MI6 member here is an old timer that has seen the trailers to all 22 Bond films or own all the DVDs and Blu-Ray.
I am just trying to share something with the community, you can be a bit more appreciative of my effort to share.
I hear people complaining that I don't ever post about Bond and this is a Bond forum.
I am doing exactly that - posting about Bond in a Bond forum and you still want to give me a hard time.
What the heck do you want from me, then?!?
Nothing ever makes you (the MODS) happy!!
By the way, it's Capisci - not Capiche!!
It's a rhetorical I know, but I'll say somewhere around TND-TWINE. At least for the later question. Spot on. Arguably, QUANTUM OF SOLACE had too a good marketing scheme. The excellent theatrical trailer led many of us (myself included) to expect a better film. If anything, they need to tone it down a little. Less is more, as they say.
I don't want to see a gazillion production diaries, clips, or so on. Can't they leave all of that to one or two documentaries? Oh, and the less said about MGM or Sony's double dipping, the better.
Forget it!
Did you know as of 5/2, my ISP put a Cap on every customer's monthly bandwidth usage?
I was going to use some of that usage to upload 2.92 GB worth of trailers but you and Darth don't seem to appreciate my UNSELFISH effort to want to share with the MI6 community;
so I am killing the uploads and saving the bandwidth for myself instead of wasting it on some ungrateful people!!
Maybe EON will do a Peter Jackon and answer questions over Facebook...
I actually was far more excited by the production diaries and clips during the run up to the film than anything else, they really enthralled me. So do I only like tasteless marketing tactics or just think EON's trailers are weak?
And the double dipping will end should Sony not get their hands on Bond 25 I'd like to think.