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Villain plots in numbers

MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
edited February 2014 in Bond Movies Posts: 5,080
I thought I'd start this thread to record (because I'm sad) the total death toll of each of the villains plots from all 23 official films if they were to have succeeded (or in some cases, they did succeed, as with Skyfall). The tolls do not take into account any unforeseen interventions (e.g. Bond's interruptions or the involvement of Kerim Bey in From Russia With Love). The films have been ranked from the most deadly to least deadly. Where citation is needed, it has been indicated. I thought this thread could put each plot into perspective, but if you disagree with any figures on this list, amend it if you wish.

Most deadly-

1. Moonraker(1979)- 4,371,527,871 (the total world population in 1979, assuming the events of Moonraker took place in this year)

2. The Spy Who Loved Me(1977)- 4,220,816,737 (the total world population in 1977, assuming the events of The Spy Who Loved Me took place in this year)

3. On Her Majesty's Secret Service(1969)- 3,691,172,616 (the total world population in 1969, assuming that Blofeld's demands were not met and he proceeded to wipe out livestock on all of the worlds continents, and that the events of OHMSS took place in this year)

4. Tomorrow Never Dies(1997)- +-1,293,000,000 the total population of China and the UK in 1997, assuming the events of TND took place in this year. +- for the crew of the HMS Devonshire)

5. You Only Live Twice(1967)- 306,323,175 (the total population of the USA and the USSR in 1967, assuming the events of YOLT took place in this year)

6. The World is Not Enough(1999)- 10,923,001 (the total population of Istanbul in 1999, assuming the events of TWINE took place in this year. The "1" is for Sir Robert King)

7. A View to a Kill(1985)- 3.5- 4,000,000 (the closest estimate for the population of Silicon Valley in 1985, assuming the events of AVTAK took place in this year)

8. Die Another Day(2002)- 2,000,000 (the amount of soldiers present on the Korean Demilitarised Zone)

9. Thunderball(1965)- 291,688 (the population of Miami in 1965, assuming the events of Thunderball took place in this year)

10. Goldfinger(1964)- 41 000 (the population of Fort Knox, as stated in film)

11. Octopussy(1983)- 10 000 (an approximation of the amount of people present on the American Air Force Base including the circus audience)

12. For Your Eyes Only(1981)- 3 (the murder of the Havelocks)

13. From Russia With Love(1963)- 2 (the focus of the plot was to murder James Bond, which would also require the murder of Tatiana Romanova)

14. The Living Daylights(1987)- 1 (the framing and subsequent death of General Pushkin. However, if Koskov's and Whitaker's plan were to have succeeded, then there might have been the subsequent killings of the Afghanistan freedom fighters.)

14. The Man With the Golden Gun(1974)- 1 (James Bond. Excluding the murder of Hai Fat (as it was not part of Scaramanga's wider ambitions)

14. Skyfall(2012)- 1 (M)

15. Diamonds Are Forever(1971)- 0 (Blofeld wanted to "auction" the diamond satellite, not necessarily to use it himself)

15. Dr. No(1962)- 0 (although the rockets could be brought down on a city, for example)

15. GoldenEye(1995)- 0 (future deaths possible)

15. Casino Royale(2006)- 0 (Le Chiffre's plan was to recoup his money)

15. Quantum of Solace(2008)- 0

15. Licence to Kill(1989)- 0 (Sanchez's plot was to mastermind a grand drug deal)

15. Live and Let Die(1973)- 0 (discounting the deaths of the three British agents )

Least deadly-
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Comments

  • dragonskydragonsky
    Posts: 2,491
    So Craig's Bond has only 1 kill but that 1 kill was his boss. Does that make him the best or the worst Bond in terms of "security"?
  • ColdfingerColdfinger
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    Great breakdown, I always secretly wondered this but I kinda just figured Moonraker was the easy choice for most deadly plot.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    Posts: 5,745
    In Goldeneye, the population of London wouldn't be killed, just all their assets liquidated and stolen. The EMP's causing power outages and other issues for decades to come would lead to deaths, but not all of England would be effected and their would be World aid. Similar issues could be brought up with multiple plots outside of the World-Wide-nuclear-war plots from the earlier films.

    Perhaps the list should be which plots would have the most impact on the most people, and not necessarily deadliness.

    In any case, the Top 6 would remain the same as far as impact or death.
  • GerardGerard
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    Karl Marx Stadt ? I don't think so. The plot was to detonate a bomb inside an american air force base, and Karl Marx Stadt being in East Germany... Well, let's say that at the time, it would have been difficult finding an american base there.
  • bigladiesmanbigladiesman
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    I wonder why Blofeld wanted to kill all population of Earth. I mean... Drax and Stromberg wanted to create a new, "perfect" world. But why would SPECTRE anihilate all Humanity for? Who would they kidnap, extort, assassinate or terrorize? It would swipe off the Earth the same essence of SPECTRE's existance!
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Thank you for the feedback. The list has been amended from the recommendations of @Gerard and @JWESTBROOK.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    They tried to blow up a plane in CR. That should count for some casualties.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Thunderfinger wrote:
    They tried to blow up a plane in CR. That should count for some casualties.

    Possibly, but it was the planes maiden flight, so it would have just been the pilot and co-pilot and engineers? But the figure only takes into account Le Chiffre's plan to recoup his money at Casino Royale.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Fair enough. I actually enjoy those down to earth plots more than wipeout the earth plots. For the most part.
  • SuperheroSithSuperheroSith SE London
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    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    Thunderfinger wrote:
    They tried to blow up a plane in CR. That should count for some casualties.

    Possibly, but it was the planes maiden flight, so it would have just been the pilot and co-pilot and engineers? But the figure only takes into account Le Chiffre's plan to recoup his money at Casino Royale.

    But, wasn't the plane incident trying to play the stocks and retrieve his money?
  • barryt007barryt007
    edited February 2014 Posts: 19,339
    SuperheroSith wrote:
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    Thunderfinger wrote:
    They tried to blow up a plane in CR. That should count for some casualties.

    Possibly, but it was the planes maiden flight, so it would have just been the pilot and co-pilot and engineers? But the figure only takes into account Le Chiffre's plan to recoup his money at Casino Royale.

    But, wasn't the plane incident trying to play the stocks and retrieve his money?

    The plane was only being unveiled ,it wasnt flying anywhere,they were showing it off to the press and some dignitaries.
    Le Chiffre wanted to blow the plane up,plumetting the share prices,after he had short-sold them.
    But it all went belly-up thanks to Bond and so Le Chiffre had lost all of Obanno's money,hence the card game to win it back.

  • SuperheroSithSuperheroSith SE London
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    barryt007 wrote:
    SuperheroSith wrote:
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    Thunderfinger wrote:
    They tried to blow up a plane in CR. That should count for some casualties.

    Possibly, but it was the planes maiden flight, so it would have just been the pilot and co-pilot and engineers? But the figure only takes into account Le Chiffre's plan to recoup his money at Casino Royale.

    But, wasn't the plane incident trying to play the stocks and retrieve his money?

    The plane was only being unveiled ,it wasnt flying anywhere,they were showing it off to the press and some dignitaries.
    Le Chiffre wanted to blow the plane up,plumetting the share prices,after he had short-sold them.
    But it all went belly-up thanks to Bond and so Le Chiffre had lost all of Obana's money,hence the card game to win it back.

    Thanks for clearing that up for me.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    No problem :D
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    What about all the people in the courtroom in Skyfall? They don't count? Also, don't forget the plan was to humiliate and embarrass MI6, something which by the end of the film, hasn't happened. They came back, arguably, stronger than before.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited February 2014 Posts: 5,080
    Samuel001 wrote:
    What about all the people in the courtroom in Skyfall? They don't count? Also, don't forget the plan was to humiliate and embarrass MI6, something which by the end of the film, hasn't happened. They came back, arguably, stronger than before.

    Again, it's all about technicalities. Silva's plan was to go to the courtroom and shoot M, he didn't necessarily have to shoot anyone else.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    But he did, that is my point.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited February 2014 Posts: 5,080
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    What about all the people in the courtroom in Skyfall? They don't count? Also, don't forget the plan was to humiliate and embarrass MI6, something which by the end of the film, hasn't happened. They came back, arguably, stronger than before.

    Again, it's all about technicalities. Silva's plan was to go to the courtroom and shoot M, he didn't necessarily have to shoot anyone else.

    As stated, the figures don't take into account any interventions, in this case interventions by Mallory, Eve and Bond etc. Silva's ultimate plan was to kill M, her alone.

  • SuperheroSithSuperheroSith SE London
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    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    What about all the people in the courtroom in Skyfall? They don't count? Also, don't forget the plan was to humiliate and embarrass MI6, something which by the end of the film, hasn't happened. They came back, arguably, stronger than before.

    Again, it's all about technicalities. Silva's plan was to go to the courtroom and shoot M, he didn't necessarily have to shoot anyone else.

    As stated, the figures don't take into account any interventions, in this case interventions by Mallory, Eve and Bond etc. Silva's ultimate plan was to kill M, her alone.
    No, his ultimate plan was to humiliate MI6 as stated by Samuel001
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    So even though, these kills were made by Silva and his men, not Moneypenny, Bond, the rest, they don't count?

    Fair enough, if so.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    SuperheroSith wrote:
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    What about all the people in the courtroom in Skyfall? They don't count? Also, don't forget the plan was to humiliate and embarrass MI6, something which by the end of the film, hasn't happened. They came back, arguably, stronger than before.

    Again, it's all about technicalities. Silva's plan was to go to the courtroom and shoot M, he didn't necessarily have to shoot anyone else.

    As stated, the figures don't take into account any interventions, in this case interventions by Mallory, Eve and Bond etc. Silva's ultimate plan was to kill M, her alone.
    No, his ultimate plan was to humiliate MI6 as stated by Samuel001

    In the courtroom, he had his eyes set on M. For the film as a whole, yes.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited February 2014 Posts: 7,314
    Interesting idea @MayDayDiVicenzo. In DAF part of the plan included blowing up nuclear weapons in the Soviet Union, China and the United States to demonstrate the threat that the satellite posed. Wouldn't these casualties count?
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    So even though, these kills were made by Silva and his men, not Moneypenny, Bond, the rest, they don't count?

    Fair enough, if so.

    Yes. It is the same with the rest of the films i.e. I wouldn't include the killing of the soviet spy from AVTAK who got thrown into the oil pipe.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited February 2014 Posts: 5,080
    pachazo wrote:
    Interesting idea @MayDayDiVicenzo. In DAF part of the plan included blowing up nuclear weapons in the Soviet Union, China and the United States to demonstrate the threat that the satellite posed. Wouldn't these casualties count?

    But, ultimately, he wanted to auction the satellite? It all becomes very technical, so I suppose we all have different criterias to what constitutes as part of the plots death toll.
  • SuperheroSithSuperheroSith SE London
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    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    pachazo wrote:
    Interesting idea @MayDayDiVicenzo. In DAF part of the plan included blowing up nuclear weapons in the Soviet Union, China and the United States to demonstrate the threat that the satellite posed. Wouldn't these casualties count?

    But, ultimately, he wanted to auction the satellite? It all becomes very technical, so I suppose we all have different criterias to what constitutes as part of the plots death toll.

    Can't it just be how many the villain kills + the statistics for their plot?
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    But, ultimately, he wanted to auction the satellite? It all becomes very technical, so I suppose we all have different criterias to what constitutes as part of the plots death toll.
    Yes we do and in my opinion it should be added because it was his intention all along to kill those people. I'm just making a suggestion is all, you understand. I wasn't trying to be critical. Also, what about the diamond smugglers that Wint and Kidd eliminate?
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    SuperheroSith wrote:
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    pachazo wrote:
    Interesting idea @MayDayDiVicenzo. In DAF part of the plan included blowing up nuclear weapons in the Soviet Union, China and the United States to demonstrate the threat that the satellite posed. Wouldn't these casualties count?

    But, ultimately, he wanted to auction the satellite? It all becomes very technical, so I suppose we all have different criterias to what constitutes as part of the plots death toll.

    Can't it just be how many the villain kills + the statistics for their plot?

    If you wish. I could do it at a later date, because that would require me to sit through all 23 film with a notebook, pen and calculator! :)
    pachazo wrote:
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    But, ultimately, he wanted to auction the satellite? It all becomes very technical, so I suppose we all have different criterias to what constitutes as part of the plots death toll.
    Yes we do and in my opinion it should be added because it was his intention all along to kill those people. I'm just making a suggestion is all, you understand. I wasn't trying to be critical. Also, what about the diamond smugglers that Wint and Kidd eliminate?

    Oh I completely understand. It was rather difficult to come to these figures. About the Wint and Kidd killings; did Blofeld specifically ask for all the smugglers to be killed? Or was just because of W&Ks desire to kill?
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Thats a great effort you've made there @MayDayDiVicenzo ,well done !!

    It's impossible to get things accurate without going through things with a fine toothcomb,which would be pointless .
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    barryt007 wrote:
    Thats a great effort you've made there @MayDayDiVicenzo ,well done !!

    It's impossible to get things accurate without going through things with a fine toothcomb,which would be pointless .

    Thank you @barryt007. I suppose it gives you a rough idea of how treacherous the villains plots are!
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Certainly does !

    But we wouldnt have it any other way would we !! ;)
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote:
    About the Wint and Kidd killings; did Blofeld specifically ask for all the smugglers to be killed? Or was just because of W&Ks desire to kill?
    Well, there are people who like to theorize that Wint and Kidd didn't work for Blofeld although I think that they did. So I'm alright if you leave those off the list.
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