Fassbender's Bond

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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited November 2011 Posts: 15,718
    I agree, @002... I cannot consider CR and QOS as Bond films, or Craig as a Bond actor... The last Bond film for me was DAD... So I sincerly hope that Skyfall will be the return of James Bond after a 10 years hiatus... Enough of the dark, serious, dull, boring, lifeless, colourless films since 2006, and more fun, escapism, glamour, humour, entertainement for next year.
  • 002002
    Posts: 581
    @DaltonCraig007 i agree
  • 002 wrote:

    I agree with you and with DC007 and with myself.

    Eyefull will be his first Bond movie, if it is a Bond movie.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited November 2011 Posts: 24,183
    I disagree, gentlemen. CR and QoS may not have been the Bonds you like but they were a kind of Bond films and personally I can say that CR is one of my top 5 Bonds ever. One was competently made and the other wasn't, IMO at least, but they are Bond films nonetheless. There are occasions when DAD is the Bond I like to watch and then there are occasions when I prefer CR or even QoS. They all fit different moods. But they're all Bond films and they all bring their merits and weaknesses to the scene. ;;)
  • What do you think of those?

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  • DarthDimi wrote:
    I disagree, gentlemen. CR and QoS may not have been the Bonds you like but they were a kind of Bond films and personally I can say that CR is one of my top 5 Bonds ever. One was competently made and the other wasn't, IMO at least, but they are Bond films nonetheless. There are occasions when DAD is the Bond I like to watch and then there are occasions when I prefer CR or even QoS. They all fit different moods. But they're all Bond films and they all bring their merits and weaknesses to the scene. ;;)

    Well said. When I was younger I was alternately angry/disgusted/depressed that the film series that gave us FRWL and OHMSS had degenerated into LALD and MR. But there's a Bond film for everyone and the beauty of the series is that there are so many styles of Bond films that it can expand the audience and appeal to more people. While I don't rate QoS highly I don't necessarily agree that it was incompetently made; I think it's a matter more of style or taste than anything.

    I'm always a bit surprised when people say that they found CR humourless, dark, or lacking escapism. Really? It was one of the most beautifully shot films in the series - how can the scenes in The Bahamas or Venice not be considered escapism? What about all the great touches of humour in the film? How great and natural did Craig look in his tux, especially when having caviar and champagne after winning the big game? Sometimes I wonder if people had one or two things that they had a really strong knee-jerk reaction to and then decided they didn't like a certain film (I certainly did that with Moore films when I was younger) and try to find anything to justify that initial reaction.



  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited November 2011 Posts: 15,718
    Sorry thelordflasheart, but there are only a few lines that might pass as humour, but IMO I find these rare lines quite unfunny. I find CR to be lacking escapism because the film doesn't take the time to show us the locations... Some nice shots here and there, but I want to see these places to their full capacity, not close-quarters scenes with a couple of rare shots of the scenery that tries to redeem the poor location use... As for Craig I find him horribly stiff, totally not credible as a debuting Bond, too rugged, too serious, too physically strong - like a dumbed down version of Connery... Connery didn't need to punch someone every 5 minutes to look deadly and menacing... Perhaps if in Skyfall EON would finally let Craig be menacing, deadly and imposing by sheer magnetic presence and not physical strenght... The girls were not glamourous at all... Solange had some nice bits, but Vesper was just a travesty of a Bond girl... Not a sexy character at all... When I think of Bond girls I think of incredibly sexy women, not a boring character with lots of issues... Bond girls are supposed to be sexy, not complicated... The beach scene with Bond and her is just appalling... Another lingering shot of Craig in swimsuit to please the female and homosexual audience, while Vesper is in a terribly unsexy sweatshirt... It's the Bond girl who should be in a bikini, not Bond turned into a sexual object for the women and gay audience...
  • edited November 2011 Posts: 2,782
    Sorry thelordflasheart, but there are only a few lines that might pass as humour, but IMO I find these rare lines quite unfunny. I find CR to be lacking escapism because the film doesn't take the time to show us the locations... Some nice shots here and there, but I want to see these places to their full capacity, not close-quarters scenes with a couple of rare shots of the scenery that tries to redeem the poor location use... As for Craig I find him horribly stiff, totally not credible as a debuting Bond, too rugged, too serious, too physically strong - like a dumbed down version of Connery... Connery didn't need to punch someone every 5 minutes to look deadly and menacing... Perhaps if in Skyfall EON would finally let Craig be menacing, deadly and imposing by sheer magnetic presence and not physical strenght... The girls were not glamourous at all... Solange had some nice bits, but Vesper was just a travesty of a Bond girl... Not a sexy character at all... When I think of Bond girls I think of incredibly sexy women, not a boring character with lots of issues... Bond girls are supposed to be sexy, not complicated... The beach scene with Bond and her is just appalling... Another lingering shot of Craig in swimsuit to please the female and homosexual audience, while Vesper is in a terribly unsexy sweatshirt... It's the Bond girl who should be in a bikini, not Bond turned into a sexual object for the women and gay audience...

    What he said and moore (see what I did there)

    If Henry was given the nod and not DC - i could have sort of understood this new Bond. But DC is a mature man, who's had his fill of women and booze and wouldn't be so naive in CR or QofS. And I too long for a bit of fluff on Bond's arm, not one with tormented emotional issues; 'damaged goods' line does my head in.

    I want DC to have a bit of fun, not be so emotionally drawn out all the bleedin' time. And UP and Down worries me (Skyfall); something in M's past, Bond will be emotionally torn blah blah blah....really.

    And by the looks of the pics so far on the set, he looks battered, bruised and a bit upset...again.


    I love the balance TD gave to his Bond; when asked about getting married I love his response in LTK. DC is just a poor copy not of Connery but of TD in my twisted opinion.







    I want TD back so much.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    <blockquote rel="Shardlake"><blockquote rel="0BradyM0Bondfanatic7"><blockquote rel="Shardlake">Seeing Shame tomorrow night at the Leeds film festival, looking forward to this Steve McQueen's Shame also starring Fass was incredibly sobering and powerful, on all accounts Shame isn't a walk in the park.

    Of course he's a special talent and as I've said many times before he doesn't need 007 to successful already has a more acclaim than Craig!</blockquote>

    I don't think he has more acclaim that Craig at all. I think people get that misconception because Dan is a private man. I respect that.</blockquote>

    I'm not talking about column spaces in the tabloids I'm talking about acclaim for his work, Craig was indeed far raved about for performances before Bond but now he just seems to be making all the wrong choices, I hope Tattoo is the turnaround.

    Fassbender on the other hand has just won the best actor at the Venice Film Festival and previous to that has won other acclaim for his roles, he chooses his work a lot more carefully and balances his commercial with his more art house choices.

    Don't get me wrong I was and still am a big advocate of DC but I'm hoping to see something from his as incendiary as Geordie Peacock in Our Friends In The North. I hope Fincher can coax a performance out of him that will put all the naysayers to sleep and he'll get a role which really shows off his talents.

    For the record Shame was simply stunning and Fassbender's performance is his finest yet.

    </blockquote>

    I think Dan has shown plenty of his talent in his work. He brought feeling and emotion to Bond again, and does a darn good job at it. And he chooses to star in the films he does to challenge himself and do something different from what he has already done no matter if it flops or not. I respect that in him too. I'd rather challenge myself and branch out as an actor then get acclaim for the same roles year in, year out and not challenge myself as an actor. I hope Dan keeps doing what he is doing. I'll watch anything he is in at this point.

    Are you implying Fassbender doesn't challenge himself? See Shame and try and say that, Dan in comparison is taking very safe choices. I love DC as an actor but I feel when I championed him we were going to see much more incredible work outside of Bond from him and yes his performance in both his entries has been great an added a layer to Bond not seen before but please single out another performance since which has shown him really stretch himself hopefully Fincher's take of GWDT will be that film but so far MF output puts all DC's outside of Bond output in the shade.

    I'm as big as DC fan as they come and was delighted when he got the role but I'm not as devoted to be blind to see that all the other films he's done since getting the role haven't us anywhere near the actor he is capable of and to the numpty who think DC's Bond was emotionless, CR was the real return to the essence of the Fleming character that we hadn't seen in years, QOS wasn;t great but I'll take his Bond over the previous smutty remarking clothes peg that he followed.


  • I agree, @002... I cannot consider CR and QOS as Bond films, or Craig as a Bond actor... The last Bond film for me was DAD... So I sincerly hope that Skyfall will be the return of James Bond after a 10 years hiatus... Enough of the dark, serious, dull, boring, lifeless, colourless films since 2006, and more fun, escapism, glamour, humour, entertainement for next year.

    I totally agree with you in every word.

  • tqbtqb
    Posts: 1,022
    New small interview
    http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a353183/michael-fassbender-on-playing-james-bond-lets-see-what-happens.html

    ""I think Daniel is doing a great job and I don't think too far into the future. It's one step at a time right now," he commented.

    However, Fassbender confessed that he has fantasised about playing 007 in the past.

    "Of course, every guy knows the feeling of walking round the house singing the song to himself, walking around corners with an imaginary gun," he explained. "Let's see what happens."
  • Fassbender's best scene as Bond, in high quality...

    http://www.xfire.com/video/4cd54c/
  • edited November 2011 Posts: 624
    Fassbender's best scene as Bond, in high quality...

    http://www.xfire.com/video/4cd54c/
    That is eery how much that felt like Bond, of course until he started using his mutant powers... :))

    Too bad he's German because the bar scene in Inglourious Basterds in which he plays a British soldier undercover as a member of the SS screams 60's Connery Bond.



    I like him, but I still can't wrap my mind around the possibility of a German- born Bond. Let's just say this: if he is indeed cast as Bond number 7, I could perhaps simply forget he's German. ;)
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    Can't wrap your mind around a German-born Bond? The website for Casino Royale had a fun little biography for Craig's Bond, and, if I remember correctly, the character of Bond we're currently watching was born in Berlin...
  • I thought he was Irish.
  • I looked at the Casino Royale website and couldn't find the biography. Even then I'm talking about he'd be the first Bond actor not born in England/Scotland/Ireland/Wales/Australia. Add Germany to that mix and we can all meet up to sing this:

  • SAMSAM
    Posts: 107
    I have recently seen X Men: First Class; incidently the first to be noteworthy (the previous productions were poor), and Michael Fassbender has all the qualities and potential to be a great James Bond 007.

    In practically all the productions that I have viewed and starred Fassbender, he has shone - Inglourious, X - Men, 300 and Fish Tank.

    Though Daniel Craig has certainly proved himself as a worthy Bond, I cannot help but feel Fassbender has the potential to be even better !!!
    boldfinger wrote:
    <blockquote rel="DaltonCraig007">shadowonthesun - you know there are much more chances that Vaughn will direct a Bond film, than Nolan, Fincher or Boyle... The chances of the last 3 I mentionned to direct a Bond film are nonexistant.</blockquote>Why should Boyle be unconsiderable?

    I hope Danny Boyle does not ever direct a Bond movie - a highly overated director.
    Matthew Vaughn would certainly be my first choice
  • Seeing Fassbender in Inglourious Basterds really convinced me that he might be able to pull off Bond. Quentin Tarantino also convinced me that he'd be able to do a wonderful Bond period piece as long as he could keep the quirky moments to a minimum. Other than a period piece, I don't think I could take a Tarantino Bond movie seriously.
  • Posts: 5,745
    Seeing Fassbender in Inglourious Basterds really convinced me that he might be able to pull off Bond. Quentin Tarantino also convinced me that he'd be able to do a wonderful Bond period piece as long as he could keep the quirky moments to a minimum. Other than a period piece, I don't think I could take a Tarantino Bond movie seriously.

    I've always said just bring Tarantino in for character development. Can you imagine the amazing henchmen he could come up with?!

  • edited November 2011 Posts: 624
    @JWESTBROOK
    I'd agree with that. Col. Hans Landa was one sick and twisted person, and yet still very believable.
  • Posts: 5,745
    @JWESTBROOK
    I'd agree with that. Col. Hans Landa was one sick and twisted person, and yet still very believable.

    More formidable than Hitler himself. Even was able to save his own life. Hitler couldn't even take that credit! Tarantino made a man more evil than Hitler. Beat that Haggis.
  • I think Fassbender has the combination of suaveness and badassness to actually pull of the best Bond impression since Sean himself. Likewise to the fact that he just looks...human. I want him after Craig retires.
  • I think when he is choosen as the next Bond he would be about 37/38 assuming Bond 24 is craig last movie..so he is 34 and 4 years from now would be 2015/2016. I assumig we want someone a bit younger?
  • Michael Fassbender SHOULD be the next James Bond. I wrote many fan fictions on Fassbender's Bond where the character a bit resembles to Simon Templar (Moore's portrayal) and sometimes channels Connery's Bond. I really really want Fassbender to be the next Bond. He will be the fourth on my "best" list.
  • edited December 2011 Posts: 1,661
    His surname reminds me of Prof Fassbender from one of the Pink Panther films - The Pink Panther Strikes Again. The professor invented a ray gun that could disintegrate anything!

    I remain doubtful Fassbender will be Bond. I think there's a reasonable chance the next Bond actor will be quite young, perhaps late 20s. That was the original intention when Paul Haggis wrote his Casino Royale screenplay. Bond was meant to be 28.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4256024.stm

    Paul Haggis, who is working on the script for Casino Royale, said: "It's going to be good.

    "We're trying to reinvent Bond. He's 28 - no Q, no gadgets."


    Perhaps actors like Fassbender will be too old when Craig retires from the role. If there are no decent young actors, then yeah, I think Fassbender will be in with a chance but you never know what new actors will appear in the next few years.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited December 2011 Posts: 4,043
    Shardlake wrote:
    <blockquote rel="Shardlake"><blockquote rel="0BradyM0Bondfanatic7"><blockquote rel="Shardlake">Seeing Shame tomorrow night at the Leeds film festival, looking forward to this Steve McQueen's Shame also starring Fass was incredibly sobering and powerful, on all accounts Shame isn't a walk in the park.

    Of course he's a special talent and as I've said many times before he doesn't need 007 to successful already has a more acclaim than Craig!</blockquote>

    I don't think he has more acclaim that Craig at all. I think people get that misconception because Dan is a private man. I respect that.</blockquote>

    I'm not talking about column spaces in the tabloids I'm talking about acclaim for his work, Craig was indeed far raved about for performances before Bond but now he just seems to be making all the wrong choices, I hope Tattoo is the turnaround.

    Fassbender on the other hand has just won the best actor at the Venice Film Festival and previous to that has won other acclaim for his roles, he chooses his work a lot more carefully and balances his commercial with his more art house choices.

    Don't get me wrong I was and still am a big advocate of DC but I'm hoping to see something from his as incendiary as Geordie Peacock in Our Friends In The North. I hope Fincher can coax a performance out of him that will put all the naysayers to sleep and he'll get a role which really shows off his talents.

    For the record Shame was simply stunning and Fassbender's performance is his finest yet.

    </blockquote>

    I think Dan has shown plenty of his talent in his work. He brought feeling and emotion to Bond again, and does a darn good job at it. And he chooses to star in the films he does to challenge himself and do something different from what he has already done no matter if it flops or not. I respect that in him too. I'd rather challenge myself and branch out as an actor then get acclaim for the same roles year in, year out and not challenge myself as an actor. I hope Dan keeps doing what he is doing. I'll watch anything he is in at this point.

    Are you implying Fassbender doesn't challenge himself? See Shame and try and say that, Dan in comparison is taking very safe choices. I love DC as an actor but I feel when I championed him we were going to see much more incredible work outside of Bond from him and yes his performance in both his entries has been great an added a layer to Bond not seen before but please single out another performance since which has shown him really stretch himself hopefully Fincher's take of GWDT will be that film but so far MF output puts all DC's outside of Bond output in the shade.

    I'm as big as DC fan as they come and was delighted when he got the role but I'm not as devoted to be blind to see that all the other films he's done since getting the role haven't us anywhere near the actor he is capable of and to the numpty who think DC's Bond was emotionless, CR was the real return to the essence of the Fleming character that we hadn't seen in years, QOS wasn;t great but I'll take his Bond over the previous smutty remarking clothes peg that he followed.



    Seriously Michael Fassbender is most likely the most acclaimed actor of the year and with more to come next year his career is not likely going to dry up, this man does not need James Bond to become a star her already is one.

    It makes me laugh to think the guff some will speak to convince themselves that Craig is pushing himself since Bond, he is not picking varied roles he is choosing incredibly easy roles which are not challenging the actor we all know he can be at all. I really hope that GWTDT is the role that we get to see him shine but on all accounts this is Mara's film and DC generously lets her steal it.

    Fassbender in comparison has already been awarded 2 best actor awards and is looking like a shoe in for an Academy Award, his body of work eclipses Craig's now, it is incredibly varied and challenging and that's not up for debate. I actually now think that being Bond may well robbed us of the actor that Daniel Craig may well have become, repeat Fassbender doesn't need Bond whatsoever apart from making DC a global superstar just like previous 007's Craig is finding it considerably hard to make a mark outside of the role and hopefully when he hangs up the tuxedo ( which I don't want for at least another entry) we might see the actor he can be.

    MF is looking seriously like becoming one of the most acclaimed actors of recent times with a possible Oscar nom a title that Mr Craig would be hard pushed to achieve with the likes of Cowboys & Dream House on his C.V.

    Daniel Craig plain and simple has not produced the performances that I truly though he would, I thought he'd be the actor that would transcend that stigma attached to being Bond but it seems just despite some blockbusters none really setting the world alight he is afflicted with the same problems his predecessor have experienced.
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    Did anyone else see Michael Fassbender in Haywire? A smaller part, but he played a British spy type and did so rather nicely.

    I recommend that movie, anyway...and not just for him.

    He wears the tux well in it, I will say.
  • Assbender question - did he have a 1 second role in X2? I could have sworn he was the guard for Magneto's glass prison.


    In terms of Bond - no chance now. DC will carry on for 10 years now but Mr. Assbender did give us Sean's bond in the last X-men film for which I'm truly thankful.

    He looks good in Scott's new movie as well. What a shame it was not meant to be.

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    Sorry thelordflasheart, but there are only a few lines that might pass as humour, but IMO I find these rare lines quite unfunny. I find CR to be lacking escapism because the film doesn't take the time to show us the locations... Some nice shots here and there, but I want to see these places to their full capacity, not close-quarters scenes with a couple of rare shots of the scenery that tries to redeem the poor location use... As for Craig I find him horribly stiff, totally not credible as a debuting Bond, too rugged, too serious, too physically strong - like a dumbed down version of Connery... Connery didn't need to punch someone every 5 minutes to look deadly and menacing... Perhaps if in Skyfall EON would finally let Craig be menacing, deadly and imposing by sheer magnetic presence and not physical strenght... The girls were not glamourous at all... Solange had some nice bits, but Vesper was just a travesty of a Bond girl... Not a sexy character at all... When I think of Bond girls I think of incredibly sexy women, not a boring character with lots of issues... Bond girls are supposed to be sexy, not complicated... The beach scene with Bond and her is just appalling... Another lingering shot of Craig in swimsuit to please the female and homosexual audience, while Vesper is in a terribly unsexy sweatshirt... It's the Bond girl who should be in a bikini, not Bond turned into a sexual object for the women and gay audience...

    What he said and moore (see what I did there)

    If Henry was given the nod and not DC - i could have sort of understood this new Bond. But DC is a mature man, who's had his fill of women and booze and wouldn't be so naive in CR or QofS. And I too long for a bit of fluff on Bond's arm, not one with tormented emotional issues; 'damaged goods' line does my head in.

    I want DC to have a bit of fun, not be so emotionally drawn out all the bleedin' time. And UP and Down worries me (Skyfall); something in M's past, Bond will be emotionally torn blah blah blah....really.

    And by the looks of the pics so far on the set, he looks battered, bruised and a bit upset...again.


    I love the balance TD gave to his Bond; when asked about getting married I love his response in LTK. DC is just a poor copy not of Connery but of TD in my twisted opinion.







    I want TD back so much.

    Damn, he was good!
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    Assbender question - did he have a 1 second role in X2? I could have sworn he was the guard for Magneto's glass prison.


    In terms of Bond - no chance now. DC will carry on for 10 years now but Mr. Assbender did give us Sean's bond in the last X-men film for which I'm truly thankful.

    He looks good in Scott's new movie as well. What a shame it was not meant to be.

    I agree. I think Fassbender would have made a very decent Bond. But I think he'll be too old by the time DC steps down. They may look to Henry Cavill again or perhaps more likely, someone entirely different. By then Cavill will be Superman, so unlikely they'd give him Bond after that.
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