It Seems There Are More QoS Appreciators Than Thought Before

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  • JustJamesJustJames London
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    It’s the Reform Club in London, famous for being the starting point of Around the world in Eighty Days (both the fictional and real versions, though they wouldn’t let the real one in when Palin got home. I reckon someone lost a bet.)
  • Someone can just make a documentary on the entire story a out the production of QoS alone and have plenty to share. How did Rory Kinnear get so well cast for Tanner and become the best at the part?

    Why was is worth noting that there were very few crew members to help work the set on location at 2AM in the morning while filming the scene when Bond holds Mathis?

    Nobody often mentions this about Tom Hardy....he played in Layer Cake with DC. The movie that helped propel the latter to 007 status. Tom Hardy's character gave a farewell toast after DC's character death and Ben Wishaw became Q...Tom Hardy's casting would sure be symbolic. Plus the guy can play almost any character and immerse the audience into it, whether as a villain or protagonist. He also can play someone who like Craig, can make audiences sometimes question if he's the good guy or villain. Connery had that ability too. Bond was never played best when he made it to obvious he was the super duper hero.
  • Hans Zimmer did a great job on the soundtrack for NTTD. Though David Arnold deserves a comeback for Bond 26 just as Rory Kinnear does as Tanner....

    In SF, SP, and NTTD, there were moments that deserved music but were under delivered similar to Adele's song being under-lyriced.
  • JustJames wrote: »
    It’s the Reform Club in London, famous for being the starting point of Around the world in Eighty Days (both the fictional and real versions, though they wouldn’t let the real one in when Palin got home. I reckon someone lost a bet.)

    If they were going to bring back Grace Jones as another character even though May Day died....why couldn't they have more cameos?
  • edited May 2022 Posts: 1,282
    In SF, the scene where Bond drives Tanner to the underground headquarters hideout is very reminiscent of the scene in QoS....both take place in London with Bond chatting in the front seat of a black Range Rover...

    The underground tunnel scene in SF is shot similarly to QoS: particularly the end of the Aston Martin chase in QoS with similar visual effects of the car passing through the driveway. In both films, a temporary MI6 Headquarters is set up in brick buildings with tunnels.

    As Bond reaches the destination and exits the car, there is a musical score very reminiscent of the same theme introducing London in QoS or the end of Dead Don't Care Aboit Vengeance when the scene transitions to Kazan for Yusef and Corrine.

    In both the QoS and SF brick building scenes, M's life is in clear danger.
  • In SF, the scene where Bond drives Tanner to the underground headquarters hideout is very reminiscent of the scene in QoS....both take place in London with Bond chatting in the front seat of a black Range Rover...

    The underground tunnel scene in SF is shot similarly to QoS: particularly the end of the Aston Martin chase in QoS with similar visual effects of the car passing through the driveway. In both films, a temporary MI6 Headquarters is set up in brick buildings with tunnels.

    As Bond reaches the destination and exits the car, there is a musical score very reminiscent of the same theme introducing London in QoS or the end of Dead Don't Care Aboit Vengeance when the scene transitions to Kazan for Yusef and Corrine.

    In both the QoS and SF brick building scenes, M's life is in clear danger.

    Just rewatched SF recently, not bad. In so many ways, watching QoS before it establishes much of the foundation for the M and Bond relationship in the movie.
  • Has anyone seen the Bond Experience? It's a channel that frequently refers to Quantum of Solace for its unmatched ability to stay so fashionable after all these years both in terms of plot and style including the wardrobe.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    Has anyone seen the Bond Experience? It's a channel that frequently refers to Quantum of Solace for its unmatched ability to stay so fashionable after all these years both in terms of plot and style including the wardrobe.

    Absolutely! David Zaritsky is one of the more high profile ambassadors for QOS we have… if anyone is really going to publicly draw attention to the merits of QOS, it’s him.
  • Has anyone seen the Bond Experience? It's a channel that frequently refers to Quantum of Solace for its unmatched ability to stay so fashionable after all these years both in terms of plot and style including the wardrobe.

    Absolutely! David Zaritsky is one of the more high profile ambassadors for QOS we have… if anyone is really going to publicly draw attention to the merits of QOS, it’s him.

    Can people contact him to suggest a petition for a producer's cut of QoS?

    When Connery returned to voice 007 in the FRWL video game, the director described the expansion of the story as a "director's cut" since both he and Connery were fans of that film in particular. Craig's 2nd movie, similarly has its "special moments" as he said.

    The final scene showing M and Bond in the snow of Kazan outside of Yusef's apartment was necessary to watch before Skyfall right down to how M calls the concept of regret as "unprofessional"...this scene was shot with a cast and crew of only 7 people at the time (Craig, Dench, the two extras as guards running up the stairs, the director, cinematographer, and another crew member who took a photo before grabbing his boom mic).

    Maybe David Zuritsky can help give even more new life than he already has to QoS.

    What if we can connect him with the guy who played Yusef for an interview?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Has anyone seen the Bond Experience? It's a channel that frequently refers to Quantum of Solace for its unmatched ability to stay so fashionable after all these years both in terms of plot and style including the wardrobe.

    Absolutely! David Zaritsky is one of the more high profile ambassadors for QOS we have… if anyone is really going to publicly draw attention to the merits of QOS, it’s him.

    Can people contact him to suggest a petition for a producer's cut of QoS?

    When Connery returned to voice 007 in the FRWL video game, the director described the expansion of the story as a "director's cut" since both he and Connery were fans of that film in particular. Craig's 2nd movie, similarly has its "special moments" as he said.

    The final scene showing M and Bond in the snow of Kazan outside of Yusef's apartment was necessary to watch before Skyfall right down to how M calls the concept of regret as "unprofessional"...this scene was shot with a cast and crew of only 7 people at the time (Craig, Dench, the two extras as guards running up the stairs, the director, cinematographer, and another crew member who took a photo before grabbing his boom mic).

    Maybe David Zuritsky can help give even more new life than he already has to QoS.

    What if we can connect him with the guy who played Yusef for an interview?

    You mean yourself?
  • Has anyone seen the Bond Experience? It's a channel that frequently refers to Quantum of Solace for its unmatched ability to stay so fashionable after all these years both in terms of plot and style including the wardrobe.

    Absolutely! David Zaritsky is one of the more high profile ambassadors for QOS we have… if anyone is really going to publicly draw attention to the merits of QOS, it’s him.

    Can people contact him to suggest a petition for a producer's cut of QoS?

    When Connery returned to voice 007 in the FRWL video game, the director described the expansion of the story as a "director's cut" since both he and Connery were fans of that film in particular. Craig's 2nd movie, similarly has its "special moments" as he said.

    The final scene showing M and Bond in the snow of Kazan outside of Yusef's apartment was necessary to watch before Skyfall right down to how M calls the concept of regret as "unprofessional"...this scene was shot with a cast and crew of only 7 people at the time (Craig, Dench, the two extras as guards running up the stairs, the director, cinematographer, and another crew member who took a photo before grabbing his boom mic).

    Maybe David Zuritsky can help give even more new life than he already has to QoS.

    What if we can connect him with the guy who played Yusef for an interview?

    You mean yourself?

    If you have his email address
  • QoS showed the first time DC's Bond was ready to accept death....the first at the hotel fire with Camille.

    The 2nd time was at the beginning of NTTD when he thought he was betrayed by another person he loved. The facial expression is noticeable that he has given up because he can't trust people anymore while staying in the car motionless.
  • edited June 2022 Posts: 784
    QoS showed the first time DC's Bond was ready to accept death....the first at the hotel fire with Camille.

    The 2nd time was at the beginning of NTTD when he thought he was betrayed by another person he loved. The facial expression is noticeable that he has given up because he can't trust people anymore while staying in the car motionless.

    I would argue the torture scene in Casino Royale was the first. He would have died with the whole world knowing Le Chiffre was scratching his balls, albeit he wasn’t close to death at that point.
  • QoS showed the first time DC's Bond was ready to accept death....the first at the hotel fire with Camille.

    The 2nd time was at the beginning of NTTD when he thought he was betrayed by another person he loved. The facial expression is noticeable that he has given up because he can't trust people anymore while staying in the car motionless.

    I would argue the torture scene in Casino Royale was the first. He would have died with the whole world knowing Le Chiffre was scratching his balls, albeit he wasn’t close to death at that point.

    The acting in that scene....but we didn't get to see just how much he died inside until QoS from Vesper's death.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I think it just shows DC's strengths. From the mentioned scenes I still find the one with Caamille in the Hotelfire the strongest. Allthough the others are not far off.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    It's a brilliant scene and Craig nails it. A perfect counterpoint to the CR Vesper shower scene.
  • I think it just shows DC's strengths. From the mentioned scenes I still find the one with Caamille in the Hotelfire the strongest. Allthough the others are not far off.

    I hope the series does NOT go back to it's old formulaic ways. DC worked hard to pull the series to a better place.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,255
    I think it just shows DC's strengths. From the mentioned scenes I still find the one with Caamille in the Hotelfire the strongest. Allthough the others are not far off.

    I hope the series does NOT go back to it's old formulaic ways. DC worked hard to pull the series to a better place.

    we'll just have to wait and see. All I know is that the next guy will have one hell of a job.

    just noticed in the Bond Movie Meter that QoS has filled the third place for weeks. I guess that says something. QoS is far more popular, at least amongst fans, than you'd make up out of all the critiques you can find online.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
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    I think it just shows DC's strengths. From the mentioned scenes I still find the one with Caamille in the Hotelfire the strongest. Allthough the others are not far off.

    I hope the series does NOT go back to it's old formulaic ways. DC worked hard to pull the series to a better place.

    we'll just have to wait and see. All I know is that the next guy will have one hell of a job.

    just noticed in the Bond Movie Meter that QoS has filled the third place for weeks. I guess that says something. QoS is far more popular, at least amongst fans, than you'd make up out of all the critiques you can find online.
    It's experienced a renaissance among the die hard fans, but general audiences were, and to my knowledge still are, fairly cold to it. A lot of them will only watch it once too, so the editing is a big issue.
  • edited June 2022 Posts: 4,139
    I think it just shows DC's strengths. From the mentioned scenes I still find the one with Caamille in the Hotelfire the strongest. Allthough the others are not far off.

    I hope the series does NOT go back to it's old formulaic ways. DC worked hard to pull the series to a better place.

    we'll just have to wait and see. All I know is that the next guy will have one hell of a job.

    just noticed in the Bond Movie Meter that QoS has filled the third place for weeks. I guess that says something. QoS is far more popular, at least amongst fans, than you'd make up out of all the critiques you can find online.
    It's experienced a renaissance among the die hard fans, but general audiences were, and to my knowledge still are, fairly cold to it. A lot of them will only watch it once too, so the editing is a big issue.

    Yeah, it's not seen that fondly amongst general audiences from what I can tell. CR and SF are the ones which stand out among younger, casual viewers. I think the editing is very an issue even now and the age old criticism of 'it's too much like Bourne than Bond' is still there unfortunately, even though this isn't applied as much to CR (but is there I'd argue).

    Actually from what I can tell NTTD isn't unpopular amongst this demographic. It's still a bit divisive but it seems to be viewed better than QOS. SP is just a bit 'meh' across that board. To be honest, I really want to like QOS more than I do. There's much I like in it. It's just a hard film to watch because of it's overly fast pace, some of the editing decisions, some of the camerawork... I'm still not sure what the deal with Mathis was if I'm honest...
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    From the time of release and years after I listened to vocal damnation of QOS and declarations Quantum would never be mentioned again in the franchise. Of course Jesper Christensen and the Mr. White character would never return. And on and on, pretty seething over the top hatred at times. This all by some hard-core fans.

    If you look at fairly objective measures like box office, and compare QOS to other Bond films for IMDb user ratings. Rotten Tomatometer numbers, etc. it easily rates alongside fine Bond films and isn't hovering at the bottom. So I'm thinking its reception by general audiences was and is fine.

    And I'm comparing this to the loud reactions against NNTD during its release and after. By some hard-core Bond fans. General audiences again I think received it fine as they normally do even with pandemic effects.

  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited June 2022 Posts: 3,152
    Said it before, but it's worth repeating: because CR was almost universally lauded, the British media would have given the next film a massive kicking no matter how good it was. It's their standard MO. What I found galling was when actual Bond fans just repeated the tripe they'd read in the press. It took me years to accept that they might actually genuinely not like some aspects of QOS, rather than just be parroting the critic's party line. Which I do accept now. I still don't understand how the editing in a couple of short action sequences can put someone off an entire film, but it obviously does. But, hey - their loss.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Said it before, but it's worth repeating: because CR was almost universally lauded, the British media would have given the next film a massive kicking no matter how good it was. It's their standard MO. What I found galling was when actual Bond fans just repeated the tripe they'd read in the press. It took me years to accept that they might actually genuinely not like some aspects of QOS, rather than just be parroting the critic's party line. Which I do accept now. I still don't understand how the editing in a couple of short action sequences can put someone off an entire film, but it obviously does. But, hey - their loss.
    The UK critics were very fond of SF and I remember a lot of them being pretty complimentary of SP.
  • Venutius wrote: »
    Said it before, but it's worth repeating: because CR was almost universally lauded, the British media would have given the next film a massive kicking no matter how good it was. It's their standard MO. What I found galling was when actual Bond fans just repeated the tripe they'd read in the press. It took me years to accept that they might actually genuinely not like some aspects of QOS, rather than just be parroting the critic's party line. Which I do accept now. I still don't understand how the editing in a couple of short action sequences can put someone off an entire film, but it obviously does. But, hey - their loss.

    Even at the QA with Marc Forster, BB and MGW....people were talking about CR and asking about bringing back the humor....it was so sad and ungrateful of them.
  • edited June 2022 Posts: 784
    Venutius wrote: »
    Said it before, but it's worth repeating: because CR was almost universally lauded, the British media would have given the next film a massive kicking no matter how good it was. It's their standard MO. What I found galling was when actual Bond fans just repeated the tripe they'd read in the press. It took me years to accept that they might actually genuinely not like some aspects of QOS, rather than just be parroting the critic's party line. Which I do accept now. I still don't understand how the editing in a couple of short action sequences can put someone off an entire film, but it obviously does. But, hey - their loss.

    Even at the QA with Marc Forster, BB and MGW....people were talking about CR and asking about bringing back the humor....it was so sad and ungrateful of them.

    And they picked just the right guy in Mendes to do it /s
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    I think QoS could have been good if the writer's strike hadn't interfered and it hadn't been so rushed. The script and story needed work.

    But it had good action and Greene is an underrated villain. Fields is also a lot of fun in her little part and I wish they'd made her the main Bond Girl.
  • CountJohn wrote: »
    I think QoS could have been good if the writer's strike hadn't interfered and it hadn't been so rushed. The script and story needed work.

    But it had good action and Greene is an underrated villain. Fields is also a lot of fun in her little part and I wish they'd made her the main Bond Girl.

    BB mentioned that Bond's reaction was much more drawn out in the filming than the final product we saw. She said that Bond's sadness showed as Marc Forster had wanted to demonstrate Bond's realization that Fields represented an innocence that Bond once had before Vesper's demise and given that her death occured close to Mathis', Bond had a reckoning that his grief/depression/vengefulness from Lynd's passing was making him take those who respected him for granted.

    The melancholic tone was further exasperated with the production becoming at times desperate with a lack of proper staff. This lack not just limited to writers available on hand but also the times which the crew was able to film certain scenes with the cast at locations abroad in parts they weren't as familiar with and most of the few available crew members often taking multiple duties than they normally would take.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    And they picked just the right guy in Mendes to do it /s

    Only because Forster turned down BB's offer to come back and direct the next one, though!

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Venutius wrote: »
    And they picked just the right guy in Mendes to do it /s

    Only because Forster turned down BB's offer to come back and direct the next one, though!

    What a damn shame that is. Hell, we might've gotten an extra installment out of the series had he agreed early and work started sooner. If only.
  • Venutius wrote: »
    And they picked just the right guy in Mendes to do it /s

    Only because Forster turned down BB's offer to come back and direct the next one, though!

    Say what?
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