It Seems There Are More QoS Appreciators Than Thought Before

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited September 2022 Posts: 40,968
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I don't know about "smarter" when SP stole the end game twist from Goldmember.

    Haha very true. Well at least initially

    All kidding aside (though that point still stands), you're definitely right. It's interesting watching Craig's era sort of embrace the Bourne style that was so popular at the time before shifting away to something else entirely as attitudes and the landscape changed. I personally wish it retained that same, cohesive feeling throughout but I'll always be grateful for the couple I did get and love.
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    The field is more open, since Jason Bourne - the most recent film - was uninspired and weak and did not give rise to audiences clamoring for more. Austin, yeah baby, wore himself out. It would take many great jokes and refreshed energy to get him back. Bond presently gets bested by the MI films, which just get better and better. They demonstrate that it sure helps to have a couple-to-a-few GREAT action set-pieces to make a great difference. Here's hoping...
  • Jordo007 wrote: »
    I think in a weird way both Austin Powers and Jason Bourne both helped EON, they forced them to work harder and think smarter

    Bourne in how intense the action should be and Austin Powers in the humour, leave the cheesy one liners to Sir Roger and his era

    Yes, those one liners really should be left to that era.

    Of course, the producers were so comfortable on autopilot for some time.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Yeah that's it mate.
    It's only my opinion but I don't ever want to go back a lighter tone personally, Bond should always reflect the times we live in.
    I think if you write good plots, it won't get stale, you still need those signatures Bond moments but you have to strike a balance.

    I understand that there's a lot of fans on here, that love the escapism that Bond brings, and there's nothing wrong with that all. For me I love that feeling when you're on the edge of your seat in a cinema, Bond should always provide that.

    I do agree with what Timothy said "the further out on limb you go, the more exciting it is"
  • Jordo007 wrote: »
    Yeah that's it mate.
    It's only my opinion but I don't ever want to go back a lighter tone personally, Bond should always reflect the times we live in.
    I think if you write good plots, it won't get stale, you still need those signatures Bond moments but you have to strike a balance.

    I understand that there's a lot of fans on here, that love the escapism that Bond brings, and there's nothing wrong with that all. For me I love that feeling when you're on the edge of your seat in a cinema, Bond should always provide that.

    I do agree with what Timothy said "the further out on limb you go, the more exciting it is"

    The darker films with realism tend to age better with time. In fact, they are catalysts for bigger profits with their subsequent films. Just look at SF. But unfortunately the series has often compromised the gritty realism and dark tone of their predecessors. For example GE was a totally different Bond movie from LTK as SF was not as much of a sequel to QoS though the M and Bond dynamic was important to see in the previous movie.

  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Yeah I'm with you mate, I love when Bond has a darker tone. I find it's more engaging and makes me appreciate the character more.

    I do understand why people enjoy more camp lighter Bond as it's easier viewing and more escapist fantasy. I just prefer seeing Bond on the edge, doing the dirty work, in glamorous otherworldly settings
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Same. Also agree about never wanting EON to revert to the light comedy and lame gags. SF's 'Go on then, eject me' and 'I got in some deep water' were already too close to that for my liking.
  • Venutius wrote: »
    Same. Also agree about never wanting EON to revert to the light comedy and lame gags. SF's 'Go on then, eject me' and 'I got in some deep water' were already too close to that for my liking.

    Timothy Dalton respected his own legacy enough to forgo a third outing because the script to his next film would have brought too much light heartedness to the role. In fact there would have been a scene featured where Bond disguises himself as a rodeo sportsman to try and infiltrate a villain.
    The producers have to learn that the pressures of the audiences who complain aren't always right. If they were, then DC would never have become Bond. Also, the producers need to follow the money....each film time they tried reverting back to the RM era of style with one liners and humor, it hurt the series....just look how PB's movies became worse with each one (I'm looking you, DAD).
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    If you guys love QoS it will come back to theaters next Friday in the UK.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    matt_u wrote: »
    If you guys love QoS it will come back to theaters next Friday in the UK.

    I've already booked my tickets, I can't wait. I'm taking my dad to see Casino tomorrow
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Still remember the impact of the opening car chase when I saw QOS in the cinema for the first time - talk about 0 - 60! :D
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    matt_u wrote: »
    If you guys love QoS it will come back to theaters next Friday in the UK.

    What I wouldn't give to see this film in theaters again. They're playing NO Bond films at all this year anywhere near me in the States. It's incredibly disappointing.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    If you guys love QoS it will come back to theaters next Friday in the UK.

    What I wouldn't give to see this film in theaters again. They're playing NO Bond films at all this year anywhere near me in the States. It's incredibly disappointing.

    Thats such a pity. I feel bad, because they showed them all here in Ireland, but I wasnt able to get to most of the ones I wanted, as they were on same evening every week! Though have my ticket for CR this week, and I will definitely get to QoS next week!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    If you guys love QoS it will come back to theaters next Friday in the UK.

    What I wouldn't give to see this film in theaters again. They're playing NO Bond films at all this year anywhere near me in the States. It's incredibly disappointing.

    Thats such a pity. I feel bad, because they showed them all here in Ireland, but I wasnt able to get to most of the ones I wanted, as they were on same evening every week! Though have my ticket for CR this week, and I will definitely get to QoS next week!

    I've even been checking my local Alamo because I'd absolutely make the trip for something like QoS in cinemas again but no such luck. I haven't seen a single Bond showing over there whatsoever.
  • Jordo007 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    If you guys love QoS it will come back to theaters next Friday in the UK.

    I've already booked my tickets, I can't wait. I'm taking my dad to see Casino tomorrow

    A couple of unforgettable scenes that made a huge impact in demonstrating the quality of QoS was the shots of Bond and Camille walking through the desert while the musical score played until they arrive back at the hotel.....another among many very theatre-worthy scenes.


    A year after QoS was released I remember telling Marc Forster at a Q&A how much he immerses audiences into the scenes of his characters and having them feel their emotions. I specifically mentioned the scene where Bond is waiting for Yusef and his next Vesper....the setup felt like we were there waiting with Bond in darkness surrounded by a cold world.


  • Creasy47 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    If you guys love QoS it will come back to theaters next Friday in the UK.

    What I wouldn't give to see this film in theaters again. They're playing NO Bond films at all this year anywhere near me in the States. It's incredibly disappointing.

    Thats such a pity. I feel bad, because they showed them all here in Ireland, but I wasnt able to get to most of the ones I wanted, as they were on same evening every week! Though have my ticket for CR this week, and I will definitely get to QoS next week!

    I've even been checking my local Alamo because I'd absolutely make the trip for something like QoS in cinemas again but no such luck. I haven't seen a single Bond showing over there whatsoever.

    Hopefully we all will get to see a Producer's Cut edit of QoS one day if we keep pushing for it.
  • I wonder if all that extra footage shot for QOS is still around. It’s been a little over 12 years since the release of the film, would EON even still have that footage on servers if a Producers Cut were to happen? That’s the big mystery.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,968
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    If you guys love QoS it will come back to theaters next Friday in the UK.

    What I wouldn't give to see this film in theaters again. They're playing NO Bond films at all this year anywhere near me in the States. It's incredibly disappointing.

    Thats such a pity. I feel bad, because they showed them all here in Ireland, but I wasnt able to get to most of the ones I wanted, as they were on same evening every week! Though have my ticket for CR this week, and I will definitely get to QoS next week!

    I've even been checking my local Alamo because I'd absolutely make the trip for something like QoS in cinemas again but no such luck. I haven't seen a single Bond showing over there whatsoever.

    Hopefully we all will get to see a Producer's Cut edit of QoS one day if we keep pushing for it.

    I'll forever continue to clamor for one and offer a fat chunk out of my wallet if one is made available.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Same. Said it before, but if EON gave us one thing for Bond's 60th anniversary, I'd want it to be QOS Redux.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
    edited September 2022 Posts: 1,032
    Venutius wrote: »
    Same. Said it before, but if EON gave us one thing for Bond's 60th anniversary, I'd want it to be QOS Redux.

    Agreed.

    1. QOS Re-Edit
    2. Complete 4K Collection
    3. Use time machine, go back to 1997 and replace Teri Hatcher with Monica Bellucci in TND
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Same. Said it before, but if EON gave us one thing for Bond's 60th anniversary, I'd want it to be QOS Redux.

    Agreed.

    1. QOS Re-Edit
    2. Complete 4K Collection
    3. Use time machine, go back to 1997 and replace Teri Hatcher with Monica Bellucci in TND
    Number 3 would have improved TND. I never believed that Paris Carver meant anything to Bond. The movie would still have problems, but at least Paris would have been more believable.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    Same. Said it before, but if EON gave us one thing for Bond's 60th anniversary, I'd want it to be QOS Redux.

    Agreed.

    1. QOS Re-Edit
    2. Complete 4K Collection
    3. Use time machine, go back to 1997 and replace Teri Hatcher with Monica Bellucci in TND
    Number 3 would have improved TND. I never believed that Paris Carver meant anything to Bond. The movie would still have problems, but at least Paris would have been more believable.

    It would make the whole story so much more believable. Jonathan Price's outburst and revenge on his wife would make sense. Now it seemed more like somebody stole his candy.
  • Posts: 15,117
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    Same. Said it before, but if EON gave us one thing for Bond's 60th anniversary, I'd want it to be QOS Redux.

    Agreed.

    1. QOS Re-Edit
    2. Complete 4K Collection
    3. Use time machine, go back to 1997 and replace Teri Hatcher with Monica Bellucci in TND
    Number 3 would have improved TND. I never believed that Paris Carver meant anything to Bond. The movie would still have problems, but at least Paris would have been more believable.

    It would make the whole story so much more believable. Jonathan Price's outburst and revenge on his wife would make sense. Now it seemed more like somebody stole his candy.

    I still think the character needed a few more minutes to be truly fleshed out. But at least she'd have been played by a more believable actress and with a more uncommon kind of beauty. Teri Hatcher is gorgeous, but in a girl next door kind of way. She belongs to the suburb, Fairview and Wisteria Lane, not a Bond movie.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,255
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    Same. Said it before, but if EON gave us one thing for Bond's 60th anniversary, I'd want it to be QOS Redux.

    Agreed.

    1. QOS Re-Edit
    2. Complete 4K Collection
    3. Use time machine, go back to 1997 and replace Teri Hatcher with Monica Bellucci in TND
    Number 3 would have improved TND. I never believed that Paris Carver meant anything to Bond. The movie would still have problems, but at least Paris would have been more believable.

    It would make the whole story so much more believable. Jonathan Price's outburst and revenge on his wife would make sense. Now it seemed more like somebody stole his candy.

    I still think the character needed a few more minutes to be truly fleshed out. But at least she'd have been played by a more believable actress and with a more uncommon kind of beauty. Teri Hatcher is gorgeous, but in a girl next door kind of way. She belongs to the suburb, Fairview and Wisteria Lane, not a Bond movie.

    Well, she doesn't rock my boat in the slightest, and her acting is so unbelievable she makes the role non-existent. Beauty isn't the thing you need in a scene like that. You need seductiveness. Something Monica definately excells at. I don't find her that beautiful, but increadably attractive. She hardly had any sreentime at all in SP (and the dialogue wasn't very good either) but she made it work perfectly fine.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited September 2022 Posts: 3,152
    Is it true that Brosnan argued for Monica Bellucci to be in TND but was overruled by EON? I can imagine what he thought when he found out that Dan got to choose all his main Bond girls!
  • Posts: 15,117
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    Same. Said it before, but if EON gave us one thing for Bond's 60th anniversary, I'd want it to be QOS Redux.

    Agreed.

    1. QOS Re-Edit
    2. Complete 4K Collection
    3. Use time machine, go back to 1997 and replace Teri Hatcher with Monica Bellucci in TND
    Number 3 would have improved TND. I never believed that Paris Carver meant anything to Bond. The movie would still have problems, but at least Paris would have been more believable.

    It would make the whole story so much more believable. Jonathan Price's outburst and revenge on his wife would make sense. Now it seemed more like somebody stole his candy.

    I still think the character needed a few more minutes to be truly fleshed out. But at least she'd have been played by a more believable actress and with a more uncommon kind of beauty. Teri Hatcher is gorgeous, but in a girl next door kind of way. She belongs to the suburb, Fairview and Wisteria Lane, not a Bond movie.

    Well, she doesn't rock my boat in the slightest, and her acting is so unbelievable she makes the role non-existent. Beauty isn't the thing you need in a scene like that. You need seductiveness. Something Monica definately excells at. I don't find her that beautiful, but increadably attractive. She hardly had any sreentime at all in SP (and the dialogue wasn't very good either) but she made it work perfectly fine.

    I think it's a pretty good description of Monica Bellucci. She's seductive.
  • edited September 2022 Posts: 1,282
    Nobody could save TND. It's just sad that it and each subsequent film for the next few years repeated the formula and didn't really add much new. M was saved by Bond in TWINE but the relationship was not as deep as in the Craig films.

    TND was a parody movie in an of itself.
    TWINE had so much potential but even the music was a parody in and of itself.
    DAD just looks like a parody in every sense.


    QoS redux needs a Kickstart campaign. Any information available of an upcoming Q&A with the producers or Marc Forster or Daniel Craig? Rory Kinnear is fair to ask too....


    The producers want a new Bond actor who is relatively young but the issue with that is that they need a little more than just 2-4 years to really find an undiscovered gem of a quality actor who is lesser known and can remain loyal to the role...they'll need to take their time and be willing to use a three-story arc in which the films are made back to back with a slightly older actor like Tom Hardy using Christopher Nolan for a high quality series trilogy that will immerse fans and non fans alike and really build an audience for that new actor to come in. Thus the older Bond actor will provide a sure solid performance in less time while building and keeping the audiences. Daniel Craig can work on the QoS redux....
  • The last 007 actor to serve under the same Queen as Sean Connery....Mr. Daniel Craig.

    Hope he can direct a dark and gritty Bond movie one day.
  • Now that the books have gone WOKE.....I'm going to go looking for the offensive language in such pieces that have given us great title names such as Quantum of Solace from Octopussy etc.

    Go WOKE, go BROKE. I'm not buying those new Bond books.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/22/business/southwest-water-colorado-river-wall-street-climate/index.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&mibextid=tejx2t

    QOS is again playing out in front of our very eyes…

    “Water Asset Management president Matt Diserio has called water in the United States “a trillion-dollar market opportunity,” and said he started the company “on the core belief that scarce clean water is the resource defining this century, much like plentiful, cheap dirty oil defined the last century.”

    “Andy Mueller, the general manager of the Colorado River District Water District, disagrees, describing Water Asset Management and other East Coast investment firms as “drought profiteers.”

    “They’re trying to suck the very lifeblood out of these communities for their own financial benefit,” Mueller said.”
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