It Seems There Are More QoS Appreciators Than Thought Before

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  • Posts: 7,419
    I still think CR just edges it, but damn, it was a bloody good sequel! Gets better with every viewing!
  • Mathis1 wrote: »
    I still think CR just edges it, but damn, it was a bloody good sequel! Gets better with every viewing!

    That's the magic of the 2006-2008 direction that the producers were going with.

    2012 onward was all about checking off boxes for what was expected of the movies.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I still think CR just edges it, but damn, it was a bloody good sequel! Gets better with every viewing!

    That's the magic of the 2006-2008 direction that the producers were going with.

    2012 onward was all about checking off boxes for what was expected of the movies.
    Except no Bondian score. David Arnold was great....
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    David Arnold is the same as Martin Campbell, they just get what makes Bond great.
    I'd love both back in the series in some capacity
  • chrisisall wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I still think CR just edges it, but damn, it was a bloody good sequel! Gets better with every viewing!

    That's the magic of the 2006-2008 direction that the producers were going with.

    2012 onward was all about checking off boxes for what was expected of the movies.
    Except no Bondian score. David Arnold was great....

    So great that they reused some of his music in parts of each subsequent film without him.

    Wish Arnold would host a QoS only live concert with Daniel Craig to raise money for a charitable causem
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    David Arnold is the same as Martin Campbell, they just get what makes Bond great.
    I'd love both back in the series in some capacity

    Truer words have never been spoken. Regardless of their non-Bond output, these two really do get the series, there's something intrinsic that makes them just click with the vision and style and sound, all of it. I don't care about his age, get Campbell back to direct his third new Bond introduction in a row with Arnold scoring it. I'll probably love it just off those two being involved alone.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    David Arnold is the same as Martin Campbell, they just get what makes Bond great.
    I'd love both back in the series in some capacity

    Truer words have never been spoken. Regardless of their non-Bond output, these two really do get the series, there's something intrinsic that makes them just click with the vision and style and sound, all of it. I don't care about his age, get Campbell back to direct his third new Bond introduction in a row with Arnold scoring it. I'll probably love it just off those two being involved alone.

    Yeah I completely agree mate. They just seem to have a knack at knowing what makes Bond tick. I'd love both back.
    I'd even take Campbell back as some form of producer, I doubt he'd do it but he'd be a great guiding hand for the next era of Bond
  • Jordo007 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    David Arnold is the same as Martin Campbell, they just get what makes Bond great.
    I'd love both back in the series in some capacity

    Truer words have never been spoken. Regardless of their non-Bond output, these two really do get the series, there's something intrinsic that makes them just click with the vision and style and sound, all of it. I don't care about his age, get Campbell back to direct his third new Bond introduction in a row with Arnold scoring it. I'll probably love it just off those two being involved alone.

    Yeah I completely agree mate. They just seem to have a knack at knowing what makes Bond tick. I'd love both back.
    I'd even take Campbell back as some form of producer, I doubt he'd do it but he'd be a great guiding hand for the next era of Bond

    Daniel Craig as a producer or director for the next movie will help keep originality going. He'd been all about doing new things with Bond.

    Do you remember first watching CR and wondering if they'd make another Bond movie as good as this again?

    Campbell has a good hand at that but something really rubbed me wrong with GE: it kinda toned down the R rated style away from LTK a notch: no blood, over the top action with Bond catching a plane freefalling. The whole idea of saving the world from a guy atop a satellite. Even Campbell rolled his eyes during production at that. CR was great and with DC's style kept the sense of realism.

    Vesper and Bond's chemistry was good. Vesper's ability to remain a presence through QoS subtly and then the NTTD scene was powerful. I hope Campbell can help bring that back.

    Ultimately, Christopher Nolan is capable of directing three in a row as part of its own story arc but he's known to make films that aren't all down to earth and reuses similar tropes like the fog horn.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    David Arnold is the same as Martin Campbell, they just get what makes Bond great.
    I'd love both back in the series in some capacity

    Truer words have never been spoken. Regardless of their non-Bond output, these two really do get the series, there's something intrinsic that makes them just click with the vision and style and sound, all of it. I don't care about his age, get Campbell back to direct his third new Bond introduction in a row with Arnold scoring it. I'll probably love it just off those two being involved alone.

    Yeah I completely agree mate. They just seem to have a knack at knowing what makes Bond tick. I'd love both back.
    I'd even take Campbell back as some form of producer, I doubt he'd do it but he'd be a great guiding hand for the next era of Bond

    Do you remember first watching CR and wondering if they'd make another Bond movie as good as this again?

    I have some bad news for you.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    @dramaticscenesofQOS I couldn't agree more my friend.

    Every time I watch CR or QOS I get hit with feeling of nostalgia about how it was exciting to see how much of the formula they were willing to play with, while staying true to Fleming's Bond.

    We had a young, talented actor in Daniel, who was bringing depth to Bond we hadn't seen in years and the producers themselves seemed to have a hunger that they've seemingly lacked in the decade since
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Yes, that's exactly how I felt too. Dan, CR and QOS basically fuel-injected the whole series. They really had got something special. I still remember the sinking feeling I got when the rumours started about SF being lighter, with more gags!
  • echo wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    David Arnold is the same as Martin Campbell, they just get what makes Bond great.
    I'd love both back in the series in some capacity

    Truer words have never been spoken. Regardless of their non-Bond output, these two really do get the series, there's something intrinsic that makes them just click with the vision and style and sound, all of it. I don't care about his age, get Campbell back to direct his third new Bond introduction in a row with Arnold scoring it. I'll probably love it just off those two being involved alone.

    Yeah I completely agree mate. They just seem to have a knack at knowing what makes Bond tick. I'd love both back.
    I'd even take Campbell back as some form of producer, I doubt he'd do it but he'd be a great guiding hand for the next era of Bond

    Do you remember first watching CR and wondering if they'd make another Bond movie as good as this again?

    I have some bad news for you.
    I know....but at least QoS exists
  • Venutius wrote: »
    Yes, that's exactly how I felt too. Dan, CR and QOS basically fuel-injected the whole series. They really had got something special. I still remember the sinking feeling I got when the rumours started about SF being lighter, with more gags!

    Oh yeah.....or when NTTD had some writer to "punch up" the script with forced PB style jokes. Ugh!
  • Rewatched LTK again....I was getting QoS vibes in it. Timothy Dalton had captured Bond's emotion to the brim of his voice. You could sense the urgency and emotional aspect of avenging his friend throughout the story. The musical score and Dalton facial expressions were similar to Daniel Craig's approach and David Arnold's attention to detail for expressing emotion in more than just one way.


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    Rewatched LTK again....I was getting QoS vibes in it. Timothy Dalton had captured Bond's emotion to the brim of his voice. You could sense the urgency and emotional aspect of avenging his friend throughout the story. The musical score and Dalton facial expressions were similar to Daniel Craig's approach and David Arnold's attention to detail for expressing emotion in more than just one way.


    It's funny because I find LTK and QOS both very different in every way. The tome, atmosphere, villains, etc.

    And Delenda Carthago: I think a series of graphic novels set between QOS and SF is a great idea.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Rewatched LTK again....I was getting QoS vibes in it. Timothy Dalton had captured Bond's emotion to the brim of his voice. You could sense the urgency and emotional aspect of avenging his friend throughout the story. The musical score and Dalton facial expressions were similar to Daniel Craig's approach and David Arnold's attention to detail for expressing emotion in more than just one way.


    It's funny because I find LTK and QOS both very different in every way. The tome, atmosphere, villains, etc.

    And Delenda Carthago: I think a series of graphic novels set between QOS and SF is a great idea.

    Yeah, me too. I don't see any resemblance between LTK and QOS.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited June 2023 Posts: 6,297
    Perhaps a bit off topic, but LTK is more like NTTD than QoS. The Bahamian bar is not that tonally different from the Cuba sequence.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Latin American setting, rogue agent and revenge plotline, fiery af finales in the desert, both written during writer's strikes.

    They feel completely different but the similarities are there.
  • Remington wrote: »
    Latin American setting, rogue agent and revenge plotline, fiery af finales in the desert, both written during writer's strikes.

    They feel completely different but the similarities are there.

    Exactly. Plus by the end of each film, Bond has gone through a lot and suffered immensely...if you see Dalton's facial expression after Sanchez 🔥 burns he's just on the verge of crying like how Bond was anticipating his own demise with Camille in the burning hotel.

  • Posts: 1,987
    I do like QoS.
    Three things I wish hadn't happened.
    1-JW & AK theme song. (It doesn't get better the more one listens to it.)
    2-Killing Mathis. (Great character and actor who could have done more in later films.)
    3-Agent Fields covered in oil. (A lame and unoriginal callback.)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    3-Agent Fields covered in oil. (A lame and unoriginal callback.)

    I felt it was an 'original-ish' callback since she was drowned in it (wow, disgusting).
  • Posts: 1,987
    chrisisall wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    3-Agent Fields covered in oil. (A lame and unoriginal callback.)

    I felt it was an 'original-ish' callback since she was drowned in it (wow, disgusting).

    In GF it was iconic. Not so much here. But covered in strawberry jam? Bizarre, but that would have been unforgettable.
  • CrabKey wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    3-Agent Fields covered in oil. (A lame and unoriginal callback.)

    I felt it was an 'original-ish' callback since she was drowned in it (wow, disgusting).

    In GF it was iconic. Not so much here. But covered in strawberry jam? Bizarre, but that would have been unforgettable.

    Fields was picked and cast by Forster himself. That's on him. Just shoved in there. But she does symbolize an innocence Bond had before Vespers death. But still....unoriginal.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    I'm conflicted with QOS, as much as I love it as it is, sometimes I wish it was longer. Just so we could spend more time in the "early Craig era" the raw younger Bond swagger and that edge of the seat thrill QOS and Casino have upon each viewing.
    I just want more of that and this is coming from someone who loves Skyfall, specifically Craig's refined performance in that film
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited June 2023 Posts: 3,152
    Yes, same here, Jordo. Someone on here once said that when they watch QOS they don't want it to end - that's exactly how I feel too. I wouldn't change QOS as it is, but I do wish there was a special edition QOS Redux as well. Not sure if there's enough unused material to do it, though, even if EON were willing. I really wish they'd gone with the original idea of having Mathis tell Bond a version of the Quantum of Solace short story when they were on the plane. Giancarlo Giannini had the perfect voice for that. Don't think they even filmed it, though. The only unused stuff I've heard of is a short scene where Bond reacted badly to Fields' death and the famous ending where he killed Mr. White and Guy Haines.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Venutius wrote: »
    I really wish they'd gone with the original idea of having Mathis tell Bond a version of the Quantum of Solace short story when they were on the plane. Giancarlo Giannini had the perfect voice for that. Don't think they even filmed it, though.

    Seriously. If there had been a 10 (?)-minute Giannini monologue in the middle of the movie, it would have stood out in a good way from the rapid-fire action sequences and it would have made his death soon after more resonant.

    QoS needed more Giannini.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Mathis' death is extremely emotional and I dig the revenge boost that comes from it but he was such a fantastic character that should've stuck around longer. The Craig era went overboard in killing off main character for emotional effect, just to reach NTTD finally and go "How about we just kill everyone?"
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Literally every time I've watched QOS (and I've watched it a lot), I wish the plane sequence had been longer. Craig and Giannini are on absolutely top form, the late night stillness gives it a bit of breathing space and I wish I could just stay in that scene a few minutes longer. I need a QOS Redux, goddamnit!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Literally every time I've watched QOS (and I've watched it a lot), I wish the plane sequence had been longer. Craig and Giannini are on absolutely top form, the late night stillness gives it a bit of breathing space and I wish I could just stay in that scene a few minutes longer. I need a QOS Redux, goddamnit!

    I tell folks to look no further than that scene when they say QoS is all action and no substance. That's one of the best introspective looks we had with Bond throughout the entirety of Craig's time in the role.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I understand the pace that Forster wanted to give the film, but I would have liked even 2-3 minutes more with Bond and Mathis on that plane. Kind of a mirror scene to the one in CR when Mathis plants Le Chiffre's guy in the trunk.

    Just a moment for the film to breathe and to reinvest us in the Mathis character in this film, for the gut punch to come thereafter.
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