Is Skyfall losing its gloss and appeal ?

edited February 2017 in Skyfall Posts: 19,339
I've noticed lately on here that SF is getting more and more negative comments from members,whereas QOS is suddenly on the rise and CR is as popular as ever after 8 years.

Has SF,now over a year later,lost its appeal ?
Will it start to slip down members Bond film lists ?

Why,if you think this is so,do you think this is happening ?

I must admit,when i updated my list lately,i was surprised to see SF only at #8,when i thought i would place it higher.

Comments, peeps ?
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  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited February 2014 Posts: 12,480
    We have a thread on Skyfall a year later for this very reason ...

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/8155/skyfall-1-year-later/p1

    I don't mean to seem to want to squelch you; I just think we already have this ongoing thread for this reason.
    For me, no it has not lost any luster. It is outstanding.
  • Posts: 19,339
    No squelch away,i had seen that thread but this is specifically about the negative change only compared specifically to QOS and CR,not just general comments.

    But,as i say,feel free to squelch,stamp or whatever.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    No, no, I am really tired and about falling asleep. Don't mean to squelch! :)
    Carry on, chaps ... :)>-
  • It seems like the world hasn't changed much since 2008. QoS was very modern with it's storytelling. It wasn't all black-and-white and the face of villains was shrouded by philanthropy and a lack of noticeable features commonly associated with most of the pre and post Dalton movies (unless you count Sanchez' iguana and acne scars, but even he liked loyalty). I think much of SF's money came from people wanting to see Bond again with DC and Dench along with other good aspects. One of the less-mentioned things I like about the film is how Bond doesn't have it end happily ever after. There are great things but also some floppy things about this film which made some audience members feel cheated: all the mistakes (there's a YouTube video counting so many of these), plot-convenient device, trains without people accurately placed at the right time.

    But I remember many critics and film-goers mentioning that the level of freshness that CR brought was more down to earth and original compared to SF. That's not to say SF lacked being bold. The Scottish Highlands scenery and the sighing between Bond and M as they knew what was coming about is breathtakingly memorable. I also admire the fact that Bond doesn't end the film with the Bond woman like Connery always did. I don't think it's redundant if the DC's next films carry forth like this because it gives great reason to stop wondering what happened to the previous Bond woman and why he isn't in the next film. It would still be good to see Camille's doing fine though. She and Bond were quite stirred and shaken up by what they went through.

  • Posts: 19,339
    Thats a fair and balanced view of Craig's films @dramaticscenesofQOS .
    Where do you have the 3 films on your rankings list ?
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited February 2014 Posts: 7,314
    I think that the hype surrounding SF was so huge (so many claimed that it was the best Bond ever) that it naturally has no place to go but down. I still think that it's very good but just like any other film we shall see if it stands the test of time.
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 19,339
    I agree with that @pachazo ,my thinking exactly.
    The amount of people that were claiming it to be the best Bond film was startling and when i actually saw it i thought,wow this is good stuff,but then i thought of FRWL and CR for example and realised it wasnt quite up to their standard.

    Again,for me,i think the lack of a good score throughout didnt help SF.
    CR had a fantastic score and this helps a film immensely .
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    For me SF didn't lose any gloss and appeal, everytime I watch it I am amazed by how many layers that film has.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    I agree with you Sandy. For me it is as good now, as it ever was.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    When I first watched Skyfall I thought it was the best Bond movie. Maybe watching it at the cinema made it look so great, I don't know. But after re-watching OHMSS and Casino Royale, it lowered quite a bit in my list.
  • Is Skyfall suddenly losing its gloss and appeal ?

    Nope.

    People on message boards tend to be more vocal than others.
  • Posts: 12,474
    I love it just as much as I did in the theater. One of my favorite Bonds.
  • Posts: 12,526
    For me it's not at all?!!! Still a great Bond movie!
  • No
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited February 2014 Posts: 8,217
    No more so than any other Bond film did upon release. Every new film feels naturally fresh, and as we become more accustomed to it, the feeling we get while watching it is not the same. Nothing ever beats seeing a film on the big screen for the first time.

    As far as quality goes though, it's still as good as it was 16 months ago, which leaves it at 8/10 for me.
  • Skyfall just felt like a generic Bond film. It seemed like the writers wrote it this way to allow non-Bond fans to watch it. The viewer doesn't really need any background on the previous films, because it can serve as a stand-alone film.
  • Not from where I'm standing.

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  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    The viewer doesn't really need any background on the previous films, because it can serve as a stand-alone film.

    Yeah, like nearly every other film can.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    Samuel001 wrote:
    The viewer doesn't really need any background on the previous films, because it can serve as a stand-alone film.

    Yeah, like nearly every other film can.

    Agreed. Almost every other Bond film bar QOS stands on its own feet without any need for watching the previous film.
  • Skyfall just felt like a generic Bond film. It seemed like the writers wrote it this way to allow non-Bond fans to watch it. The viewer doesn't really need any background on the previous films, because it can serve as a stand-alone film.

    It was hardly generic. The Brosnan films were far more generic than Skyfall as they followed the traditional Bond formula, which Skyfall did not. And no, we didn't need a background on Bond, but the series hadn't done that before and I thought it was pretty cool and well done.
  • Posts: 19,339
    Samuel001 wrote:
    The viewer doesn't really need any background on the previous films, because it can serve as a stand-alone film.

    Yeah, like nearly every other film can.

    Agreed. Almost every other Bond film bar QOS stands on its own feet without any need for watching the previous film.

    Even QOS was clever in that it had close links to CR and Vesper but that was more underlying than being the main plot,which was a totally new story involving Greene and Quantum,so i think even QOS would get away with being shown on its own as well as CR and SF.

  • It does seem like it's dividing people much more than it did when it was released, at least on this site. I think this is because the whole "best Bond ever!!!!" hype has died down now.

    It's still in my top ten but I don't rate it as high as I did when I first saw it. This is because once the wow factor had worn off I started noticing plot holes. I know I should be able to suspend my disbelief but after Craig and co banging on about how great the script was I did expect a more coherent story. Still a brilliant film though, definitely my favourite Craig film.

    It'll be interesting to see the fans opinions of it in ten years time.
  • It does seem like it's dividing people much more than it did when it was released, at least on this site. I think this is because the whole "best Bond ever!!!!" hype has died down now.

    It's still in my top ten but I don't rate it as high as I did when I first saw it. This is because once the wow factor had worn off I started noticing plot holes. I know I should be able to suspend my disbelief but after Craig and co banging on about how great the script was I did expect a more coherent story. Still a brilliant film though, definitely my favourite Craig film.

    It'll be interesting to see the fans opinions of it in ten years time.

    There are plenty of plot holes in it, but you can say that for other Bond films.

    I'm betting that most people on this board are in their 20s-50s and are familiar with all of the Bond films. For younger audiences though, the millennials, Daniel Craig IS James Bond and Skyfall will likely be remembered as one of the highlights in the series.

  • It does seem like it's dividing people much more than it did when it was released, at least on this site. I think this is because the whole "best Bond ever!!!!" hype has died down now.

    It's still in my top ten but I don't rate it as high as I did when I first saw it. This is because once the wow factor had worn off I started noticing plot holes. I know I should be able to suspend my disbelief but after Craig and co banging on about how great the script was I did expect a more coherent story. Still a brilliant film though, definitely my favourite Craig film.

    It'll be interesting to see the fans opinions of it in ten years time.

    There are plenty of plot holes in it, but you can say that for other Bond films.

    But other Bond films weren't hailed as Oscar worthy masterpieces.
  • Posts: 7,653
    For me SF was always a failed attempt, I realised that Craig might be getting the same treatement as Brosnan, in his first movie being his best.

    With Mendes and his pretentious attitude I expect we have not emptied the poisoned chalice. But if Craig is happy..........
  • barryt007 wrote:
    Thats a fair and balanced view of Craig's films @dramaticscenesofQOS .
    Where do you have the 3 films on your rankings list ?



    CR (except Camille was better cast than Vesper with her acting and backstory)
    QoS
    SF
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 19,339
    SaintMark wrote:
    I realised that Craig might be getting the same treatement as Brosnan, in his first movie being his best.

    Thats what im feeling as well,i think its going to be hard for him to top CR.

  • SaintMark wrote:
    For me SF was always a failed attempt, I realised that Craig might be getting the same treatement as Brosnan, in his first movie being his best.

    With Mendes and his pretentious attitude I expect we have not emptied the poisoned chalice. But if Craig is happy..........

    The problem is: we already got a reboot and now this director who holds lots of fanboyish sentiment has allowed his desire to reboot again after such little time, and trying to bring back old elements which have been done too often. It was not bold, the villain while played charmingly well was too arrogant at times and had it all made for him easily, the humor was shoved-in. That's not DC's natural style but his fear that he alienated some. In reality it doesn't help.
  • Posts: 107
    An honest review:


  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    SF was a cultural event, particularly for us Brits plain and simple. The Olympics played a critical role in that and the film was rigorously marketed and promoted. Also, If like me you were fortunate enough to attend the Royal premiere it's not hard to see why some people got swept up in all the hype. SF is a great movie but there was so much more potential for the movie to turn out better. I think there are elements of the movie that are more overrated than people's views on the film itself overall. SF is good but it's definitely not the best nor my favourite. For me, it wasn't even Craig's best Bond movie but that being said, I don't feel the film has lost anything it didn't already have in the first place.
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