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Ending of QoS?

j7wildj7wild Suspended
edited June 2011 in Bond Movies Posts: 823
Bond tells M: You Were Right

She asks: About?

He answers: Vesper!

then he throws Vesper's necklace on the snow covered ground and walks away.

What did he find out from Yusef?

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I suppose he found out that he shouldn't blame her. That he should let it go now. He found his solace.
  • dragonskydragonsky
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    I think that he found out that Vesper died for him and that it isnt her fault
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    edited June 2011 Posts: 4,813
    A terriffic ending- truly sets up DC as the James Bond we know and love- i would have loved to have seen what Bond did or said to Yusef. I like to hope he at least hit him a few times ;)
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    An ok ending but, like the rest of the film, seemed a bit too rushed IMO.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
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    I agree, a terrific ending. QOS suffers from, I don't know I would call it rushed as much as time constrained. Key sequences such as the seizing of Mathis and Fields, the death of Fields, and a few more words from Bond about the extreme emotional pain he was in would have led to a more complete story that didn't make the film feel so rushed. The viewer is left to guess what both Greene and Yusef told Bond about both Quantum and Vesper. I have a feeling that we'll have to draw our own conclusions about Yusef, but if they continue Bond's pursuit of Quantum and it's leadership, I'm sure the audience will be clued in to what Greene had to say.
  • j7wildj7wild Suspended
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    I also want to know how Bond arrived in Austria before Greene!!
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    I would have liked them to have done the original idea for the ending, where Bond infiltrates Guy Haines' house. That would have been better in my opinion. Keep the Yusef scene, but just add that original idea as the official ending to QoS.
  • imranbecksimranbecks Singapore
    edited June 2011 Posts: 984
    I liked that ending and the atmosphere to it with the night snow etc.. Yes the movie did feel very rushed. I kinda wish the movie would have a duration similar to Casino Royale, but it didn't and the movie just really felt too short...
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    @imranbecks: Agreed. QoS was much too short, and had a similar runtime as DN, FRWL, and GF, which were under two hours. The thing is though, those three could handle a shorter length considering their plots' simplicity. QoS should have at least gone two hours and seven minutes to not feel as rushed. It probably didn't need the length of CR or OHMSS, but at least over two hours would have been more sufficient.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    I really like QOS - i will say that first off...

    but i think it's problems weren't that it was rushed - it just wasn't finished.... we've seen in the past how quickly they can work on these Bond films, and the 2 year gap was just right (and status quo for a releasing a Bond movie).. it suffered mainly from just not being finished, which Paul Haggis confirmed when he handed the script back over to the producers just minutes before the writer's strike... there was also reports on set, that because of the script not being finished, they had to improvise a lot to fill in the gaps...

    it's only speculation as to how this would've effected the final product, had it gotten Haggis' full treatment, like on Casino Royale - it's anyone's guess...

    even though the film itself was quick, i felt it's ending was one of the strongest moments in the film..... Bond confronts the man who had lied to Vesper, set her up - and ultimately killed her - and at the same time saves another woman from the exact same fate.... and instead of killing Yusef, he has MI6 officials take him into custody for questioning.... he finally learned to forgive Vesper, and to let her go........... and this is why i liked the gun barrel at the end - it symbolizes that James had finally become Bond..
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    edited June 2011 Posts: 3,494
    I think we can all pretty much agree whether you call it time restrained, incomplete, unfinished, that QOS just feels that way and I've felt for years that the writer's strike was a much bigger problem with the movie than the director and some shaky camera work. The scenes and dialogue that I mentioned should have been there were not. It really seemed to affect the villains most of all, who never really got to convey any sense of menace save the scene when Mr. White taunts M, and of course the ending. I'll always have to wonder what was said but the symbolism of forgiving in the letting go of her love knot, and the gun barrel at the end are powerful and in all the important ways succeed in wrapping and bringing closure to the story arc.

    Bond in Haines' house, hopefully a well fortified and grand English castle near water, is a great idea they could still use if they continue with Quantum in BOND 23. That sort of thing always set Bond movies apart from the pretenders. Question is, can they make it fresh enough in how it's done as to not draw overly direct comparisons to previous movies?





  • thelordflasheartthelordflasheart
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    I had thought that they threw out the pre-writer's strike script and started over because Forster wanted to tell a "different story"? Or do I have the timeline wrong..?

    IMHO what was said to Yusef wasn't important - in fact, some things are better left to our imaginations :-) The fact that Bond kept him alive (althought he didn't specify in what kind of shape) and he got closure on Vesper is what were important.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    I had thought that they threw out the pre-writer's strike script and started over because Forster wanted to tell a "different story"? Or do I have the timeline wrong..?
    Haggis is still credited as one of the writers of QOS - i would assume that would mean they still used that script... unless i am wrong..

  • 00Beast00Beast
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    @thelordflasheart: I like what you said about Bond not specifying in what shape he left Yusef! It would have been a nice treat to have seen Bond beating the snot out of Yusef for Vesper's sudden death. Hahaha! It's kind of funny to think about.
  • forgotmyusernameforgotmyusername
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    top ending however it could have been enhanced if JB wrote his name in the snow whilst having a pee.

    I also like the fact that we didn't see what he did to Yusef and that he left him alive - so DC's JB is now grown up and not just a blunt instrument but a thinking blunt instrument.

  • thelordflasheartthelordflasheart
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    Something a good writer or director will know is that leaving something unsaid or not shown is often more powerful. Take, for example, torture. I have no problem going to the dentist but my friend can't stand it. So if there's a torture scene involving "dental" work it would drive my friend crazy but leave me cold. But if they don't show what method of torture is used then every audience member's mind will fill in the blanks with what they personally find horrible. If you make the details explicit then it works on some people but not on others. If you leave it up to their imagination then it works on everybody.

    To quote a horror film director "The most scary monsters are in our imagination. Nothing I can show on screen is scarier than that.".
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    edited June 2011 Posts: 4,813

    To quote a horror film director "The most scary monsters are in our imagination. Nothing I can show on screen is scarier than that.".
    I bet Craig yanked all this teeth out, ripped his eyes out, skinned him and poured boiling water on him then 8-X
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    It calls back to the end of Casino Royale ("The bitch is dead" scene), when M explains her theory that Vesper had not in fact betrayed Bond and made a deal with Quantum to spare his life.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited July 2011 Posts: 11,189
    I rewatched QoS the other day and the 2 final sequences are probably the stronger scenes in the film. Well acted and intense but don't completely rescue the film IMO.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Yeah, I like those last two scenes with Greene and Yusef. Those are well done and provide a nice ending to a Bond movie that didn't have a whole lot to offer.
  • ChuckChuck
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    I loved the ending of QOS and thought that it was a great ending to a great Bond film. I especially liked the restraint in not showing what happened to either of the villains (Greene and Yusef). I thought that Greene's death was quite powerful, with us knowing how he's going to meet his death and that it's going to happen in possibly the most painful and brutal fashion ever in a Bond film, and the filmmakers let us imagine the gory details of it. Yusef's was great in that it also let us fill in the details, but it also let us decide what route Bond took in terms of what condition Yusef was in when MI6 finally took custody of him.

    My only complaint with the ending of QOS is that they used Stana Katic in one of the worst throwaway roles in the series, thus basically eliminating her from future contention to be a featured Bond girl.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    It was pretty interesting to imagine for ourselves what happened to Greene and Yusef. That must have been a foreign concept for the directors, considering usually every Bond movie shows the villains' ultimate fate onscreen.
  • Char35tChar35t
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    the scene was literally a move on scene....oh man i would not want to be agent in his way now.
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