Did Bond influence you to start smoking and/or drinking ?

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I did enjoy that gag though. Well delivered by Sir Rog, showing Bond's good taste. Even Goodnight was surprised, until the complement came her way (again perfectly delivered by Rog in his inimitable style, as was the toast).
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I did enjoy that gag though. Well delivered by Sir Rog, showing Bond's good taste. Even Goodnight was surprised, until the complement came her way (again perfectly delivered by Rog in his inimitable style, as was the toast).
    No questions about it. Rog owns every line he delivers.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I did enjoy that gag though. Well delivered by Sir Rog, showing Bond's good taste. Even Goodnight was surprised, until the complement came her way (again perfectly delivered by Rog in his inimitable style, as was the toast).
    No questions about it. Rog owns every line he delivers.
    I watched MI:RN yesterday and Cruise pulls a similar move when Hunt complements Faust's shoes during the early interrogation. Smooth.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    It did come off as a cheap gag. Not in a bad way, just not convenient for a Bond. It's something you'd see in an Austin Powers film more so than a Bond film. Don't know if such thing exists, but it did seem as if someone was taking the piss.

    EDIT:
    Apparently, it's fake:
    https://www.bondmovies.com/2016/10/07/phu-yuck/

    Someone was taking the piss. :))
    Better than drinking it.
  • Posts: 17,821
    This sheep like following of Bondian tastes extends to food too as I do have Beluga once a year (mainly at the missus’ instigation to be fair) and smoked salmon quite a lot. I do like a nice bit of foie gras too, although the only time Bond consumes this that I can actually recall is NSNA.

    I never say no to some smoked salmon. Lovely stuff!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    This sheep like following of Bondian tastes extends to food too as I do have Beluga once a year (mainly at the missus’ instigation to be fair) and smoked salmon quite a lot. I do like a nice bit of foie gras too, although the only time Bond consumes this that I can actually recall is NSNA.

    I never say no to some smoked salmon. Lovely stuff!
    I've been known to indulge myself. Most agreeable.

    I first encountered caviar on a transatlantic flight as a kid and developed a taste for it, but don't have it too often.

    I haven't had foie gras but have tried bone marrow and enjoyed it. I believe it depends on the way it's prepared, as with most things. If properly flavoured, seasoned and subject to lengthy marination, it is very good.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited May 2018 Posts: 5,185
    Interesting topic, i think i am a special case though.
    Bond did influence me in one way or another but it is a bit more complicated.

    I became a Bond fan around 14-15 years of age, when Goldeneye came out. I never got into smoking, was just never my thing. Alcohol is a completely different topic, i developed a rather bad addiction in my later teens, but that was definitly not Jimbos fault but rather low self esteem at that dreadful time. I don't think i was conciously aware of Bond being an alcoholic himself.

    Fast Foward to 2018 and nowadays i am actually pretty much a health nut, working out 4 times a week, eating (mostly) health, and now it gets interesting. I do believe that everything in life needs balance and so in the last couple of years Bond DID influence me heavily, in all sorts of things, food, cocktails, holiday locations, staying in fine hotels, everything regarding "the good life" and i DID start smoking... cigars though.
    I do like to smoke a nice Cohiba or Montechristo (Rogers Favorites) here and there,
    and in terms of drinking, i only drink "responsibly", which means i haven't been smashed out drunk in probably 10 years but i am a pro at mixing any kind of cocktail, from the books and beyond (if you need a bartender for your party, give me a call lol), and i love a glass of wine in the evening or for cooking.
    So yeah, Bond definitly did influence me a lot. Bad Bond.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    Had no influence on me at all in terms of smoking or drinking - but I still rate Connery's opening line and smoking in DN totally cool. So I do not have a negative image of smoking at all - yet I don't do it myself.
  • Posts: 7,653
    007 did not influence me in drinking or smoking I guess I have got a certain Simon Templar to blame for those vices.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I do drink and occasionally smoke, but only to look cool. Although, I'm not a heavy smoker nor do I find it addictive in the slightest. I've no problem with inhaling nicotine for theatrical purposes, but I've also no problem with staying without it. Lord knows how many times I tried to recreate a certain introductory scene from Dr. No.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Not really, ... but I have killed two people to get an imaginary Double "O" :D
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Not really, ... but I have killed two people to get an imaginary Double "O" :D
    You mean, you imagined killing two people to get an imaginary Double "O"? ;)
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    Not really, ... but I have killed two people to get an imaginary Double "O" :D

    And, was the second easier than the first?
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Made you feel it did he?
  • RC7RC7
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    I’ve never smoked, filthy habit, but I drink like a Glaswegian on a three day weekend.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    When I did smoke ( Long, long ago now ) I did smoke John Players specials as they
    had a few gold lines on them ( 2, I think ) so as close as I could get to Bond's
    ciggies.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Should bond start smoking again?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited June 2018 Posts: 9,117
    Should bond start smoking again?
    Absobloodyexactly!!

    But he won't of course because a bloke who goes round killing people and having random shags is a role model to kids apparently.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Should bond start smoking again?
    Absobloodyexactly!!

    But he won't of course because a bloke who goes round killing people and having random shags is a role model to kids apparently.

    Couldn't agree more with this. Popping pills, downing alcohol, screwing any gorgeous babe in sight and killing lots of people is fine, but Bond lighting up a cigarette? Too much! Sadly I don't think he'll ever smoke again.

    To this day, I still think the best point to re-introduce cigarettes into 007's life would've been his "death" in SF: to have seen him chainsmoking in the bar after the PTS and keep the habit going from there would've been excellent.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    edited June 2018 Posts: 2,730
    Bond films follow trends right... so when smoking stopped being cool, Bond stopped smoking. Well now vaping is like the big thing “juuling”. If bond vapes in the next film I am walking out of the theatre.

    (Obviously I don’t think he’s gonna vape but hey just connecting dots here)
  • Bond films follow trends right... so when smoking stopped being cool, Bond stopped smoking. Well now vaping is like the big thing “juuling”. If bond vapes in the next film I am walking out of the theatre.

    (Obviously I don’t think he’s gonna vape but hey just connecting dots here)

    Well, there’s a difference there. Bond doesn’t follow trends set or popularized by teenagers. We also have never seen Bond wear baggy pants with his underwear showing or riding skateboards.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Bond films follow trends right... so when smoking stopped being cool, Bond stopped smoking. Well now vaping is like the big thing “juuling”. If bond vapes in the next film I am walking out of the theatre.

    (Obviously I don’t think he’s gonna vape but hey just connecting dots here)

    Well, there’s a difference there. Bond doesn’t follow trends set or popularized by teenagers. We also have never seen Bond wear baggy pants with his underwear showing or riding skateboards.

    Would he smoke weed then?
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Bond films follow trends right... so when smoking stopped being cool, Bond stopped smoking. Well now vaping is like the big thing “juuling”. If bond vapes in the next film I am walking out of the theatre.

    (Obviously I don’t think he’s gonna vape but hey just connecting dots here)

    Well, there’s a difference there. Bond doesn’t follow trends set or popularized by teenagers. We also have never seen Bond wear baggy pants with his underwear showing or riding skateboards.

    Would he smoke weed then?

    Maybe if we have a Young Bond film.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Bond films follow trends right... so when smoking stopped being cool, Bond stopped smoking. Well now vaping is like the big thing “juuling”. If bond vapes in the next film I am walking out of the theatre.

    (Obviously I don’t think he’s gonna vape but hey just connecting dots here)

    Well, there’s a difference there. Bond doesn’t follow trends set or popularized by teenagers. We also have never seen Bond wear baggy pants with his underwear showing or riding skateboards.
    Well in the B25 thread there are others quite happy to go down this road as long as it gets bums on seats.

    I quote:

    ‘While there are legit criticisms that have been voiced, the so called backlash - the calls for boycotting 'Soylo', Rian Johnson, Kathleen Kennedy etc - is only coming from specific corners of the fanbase that are rather backwards to put it kindly. So if something similar happens here with Bond - which I just think it might, if some reactions I'm seeing on this thread and other Bond forums to the female villain/protege rumours, suggestions of Bond fitting into the current MeToo climate etc is to go by - I say yes, bugger THOSE fans’


    It looks like those us who want to see Bond smoke certainly inhabit a specific corner of the fan base that is rather ‘backwards’.
  • Posts: 15,232
    Should bond start smoking again?
    Absobloodyexactly!!

    But he won't of course because a bloke who goes round killing people and having random shags is a role model to kids apparently.

    Well as a father I can tell you if I'd learned that my son was an MI6 operative I'd be worried but proud. If I'd learned he took on smoking I'd be far more worried, and a bit angry that he developed an addiction.

    Otherwise I find champagne overrated, but do drink it on occasions. I also enjoy smoked salmon and eat foie gras sometimes. My father makes his own (to my veggie wife's shock).
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited June 2018 Posts: 5,185
    While i can understand fans wanting Bond to smoke again, and I certainly seems like a PC thing to make him not smoke anymore, i also must say that it would feel a bit awkward simply because times have changed so drastically.
    In the 50's and 60's Smoking was an upper class thing, that is certainly no longer the case it is completely lower class now. Cigarettes have become 'disgusting' with all those pictures on the packs. And there is basically no one in cinema who is still smoking(that i can think of). Thats why Bond would feel completely outdated (or unique?) doing it.

    That being said though, i do want him to smoke an occasional cigar. If the setting and scene allows for it. It worked well in DAD, and with Roger. That is still considered upper class. In my opinion that would be the best compromise.

    Trivia time:
    Roger pretty much brought that to the role as he himself was a big cigar smoker, and famously requested an ulimited supply of Montechristo Cigars in his Bond Contract. It would be a nice nod to him (as it was in DAD).
    And my Spider senses tell me Craig really wouldn't mind doing that either.
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  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    00Agent wrote: »
    While i can understand fans wanting Bond to smoke again, and I certainly seems like a PC thing to make him not smoke anymore, i also must say that it would feel a bit awkward simply because times have changed so drastically.
    In the 50's and 60's Smoking was an upper class thing, that is certainly no longer the case it is completely lower class now. Cigarettes have become 'disgusting' with all those pictures on the packs. And there is basically no one in cinema who is still smoking(that i can think of). Thats why Bond would feel completely outdated (or unique?) doing it.

    While not having him smoke anymore coincides nicely with some PC restrictions, the real reason IMO is Bond's basic character from the original novels, only updated to the 2000s. Bond loves to surround himself with upper-class people, enjoys luxury and for all of that need to be accepted in the relevant circles. It's not just his seemingly unlimited expense account that enables him to do just that. It's safe to say that a man-of-the-world today is highly unlikely to be a regular smoker (especially of cigarettes) and if Bond decided to light one up in one of those casinos or similar places, he might lose the acceptance of his contacts, appear unduly plebeian and in the worst case even blow his cover...to the extent that the world's best-known "secret" agent can still blow his cover.

    Bond being a smoker in the 21st century would be as much out of character as being a non-smoker in the 1960s would have been.
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    00Agent wrote: »
    While i can understand fans wanting Bond to smoke again, and I certainly seems like a PC thing to make him not smoke anymore, i also must say that it would feel a bit awkward simply because times have changed so drastically.
    In the 50's and 60's Smoking was an upper class thing, that is certainly no longer the case it is completely lower class now. Cigarettes have become 'disgusting' with all those pictures on the packs. And there is basically no one in cinema who is still smoking(that i can think of). Thats why Bond would feel completely outdated (or unique?) doing it.

    That being said though, i do want him to smoke an occasional cigar. If the setting and scene allows for it. It worked well in DAD, and with Roger. That is still considered upper class. In my opinion that would be the best compromise.

    Trivia time:
    Roger pretty much brought that to the role as he himself was a big cigar smoker, and famously requested an ulimited supply of Montechristo Cigars in his Bond Contract. It would be a nice nod to him (as it was in DAD).
    And my Spider senses tell me Craig really wouldn't mind doing that either.
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    @00Agent I'm completely with you on that. Cigarettes are now low class and are devoid of glamour whatsoever. Cigar is the only form of tobacco that still has a veneer of snobbery and luxury. It smells nice too.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Cigars stink. A lot more than cigarettes.
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    Cigars stink. A lot more than cigarettes.

    They smell stronger. But cigarettes really smell and taste awful. Of course it's a question of taste but in any case cigarettes are now unglamorous.
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