7/7 Monument to the 52 dead DEFACED 24 hours before the memorial.

edited July 2014 in General Discussion Posts: 19,339
This has disgusted me,i was THERE at 7/7 and saw it all first hand .

The memorial commemorating the victims of the July 7 bombings on London has been defaced just hours before survivors and bereaved families gather to commemorate the ninth anniversary of the attacks.

The stainless steel columns of the memorial in Hyde Park, central London, were daubed with red and black slogans overnight with the messages "4Innocent Muslims" "Blair Lied Thousands Died" and "J7 Truth".



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  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Bloody disgraceful. How did I know Islamic extremists were behind this.........
  • Posts: 7,653
    It does not reek as Islamic extremists more as the action of misguided westerners that have an opinion that they have not been able to express through any other way than treating on other peoples sensibilities.

    Bloody irritating and annoying so shortly for the remembrance service, probably the only way to get attention. Still it beats a bombing.
  • Posts: 479
    If is the Islamic extremists, then they're not really helping their brethren's plight to regain trust and respect of the west with disgraceful behaviour like this. I feel sorry for the Muslim community, they try to show they are actually a lovely, peaceful community only for people like this to make people in Britain and the western world fear and loathe their religion.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    WHOEVER did this, it is a loathsome act and one which again demonstrates that some people just want to watch the world burn.
  • edited July 2014 Posts: 11,425
    I have absolutely no sympathy with Islamic extremism. I find the ideoloy repellant. But I do sometimes think we (the non-Muslim majority) in the west need to step back and take a look at how we are perceived. The US, UK and a handful of misguided allies launched an utterly unprovoked and probably illegal war in Iraq that led to the deaths of thousands. We prop up and make excuses for an oppressive and apartheid state in Israel. We imprisson thousands without trial. We either directly carry out or collude in torture. We bomb 'terrorists' with drones operated from thousands of miles away, with barely a news report on the 'collateral damage'. The US has even now reached the point where it 'legally' executes US citizens overseas that it suspects of terrorism, if there is no 'reasonable likelihood' of them by captured.

    This is against a historical background of colonialism, economic exploitation, political interference and western support for dodgy and corrupt regimes across the third world throughout the Cold War.

    Against this background the real surprise is actually that there haven't been more attacks on the west. How have we got away with it all for so long?

    I repeat, I do not sympathise with bombers, or condone their actions. I think the 7/7 bombers were tragically, profoundly misguided and utterly wrong. But given what we allow our governments to get away with, is it really any surprise that some people feel driven to these extreme actions?

    And although this act of desecrating the memorial is clearly deeply offensive, what is actually worse - this deliberately provocative vandalism, or the tens/hundreds of thousands of deaths that western stupidy and arrogance has brought about in predominantly Muslim countries over the past decade?

    The irony is that all our aggression has actually played directly into the hands of the likes of Al Queida and ISIS. By getting rid of Saddam we actually gave them their biggest ever opportunity and created the best possible recruiting campaign for Islamic extremism.
  • Posts: 12,526
    Absolutely bloody disgraceful! Heard about this on the radio whilst at work this morning. Whoever is responsible for this should be strung up as far as I am concerned!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Getafix wrote:
    The irony is that all our aggression has actually played directly into the hands of the likes of Al Queida and ISIS.
    They play our governments like pianos.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Very sad news. And even sadder that some think it was justified.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited July 2014 Posts: 18,281
    Disturbing that anyone would think that it was ever justified to do this in the name of Islam or anything for that matter.
  • Posts: 1,548
    Islamic psychopaths! I would love Bond to single handedly take down Al-Qaeda etc but cant see it happening unfortunately.
  • Posts: 7,653
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Islamic psychopaths! I would love Bond to single handedly take down Al-Qaeda etc but cant see it happening unfortunately.

    I doubt that the blame for this act can be laid at the feet of Muslims, I sense a different group having a hand in this.............. One of a more western persuasion.
  • Posts: 19,339
    SaintMark wrote:
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Islamic psychopaths! I would love Bond to single handedly take down Al-Qaeda etc but cant see it happening unfortunately.

    I doubt that the blame for this act can be laid at the feet of Muslims, I sense a different group having a hand in this.............. One of a more western persuasion.

    Trust me,and if you lived here you would know this @SaintMark , it was Muslims who did this........and a lot of other things that probably havent reached your newspapers there.

  • Posts: 11,425
    barryt007 wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Islamic psychopaths! I would love Bond to single handedly take down Al-Qaeda etc but cant see it happening unfortunately.

    I doubt that the blame for this act can be laid at the feet of Muslims, I sense a different group having a hand in this.............. One of a more western persuasion.

    Trust me,and if you lived here you would know this @SaintMark , it was Muslims who did this........and a lot of other things that probably havent reached your newspapers there.

    Agreed - this is probably a Muslim group doing this, rather than a secular anti-war group.
  • edited July 2014 Posts: 7,653
    without any evidence anybody could have done that, but as always it seems these days that the Muslims get the blame no matter what.
    Easy targets for easy thinking people.

    You forget that there are groups of left wing people that detest the government and their choices, they would leave a similar message.
  • RC7RC7
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    SaintMark wrote:
    without any evidence anybody could have done that, but as always it seems these days that the Muslims get the blame no matter what.
    Easy targets for easy thinking people.

    You forget that there are groups of left wing people that detest the government and their choices, they would leave a similar message.

    The bottom line is, it's despicable. You don't get your point across about 'innocents' by targeting other 'innocents'.

  • edited July 2014 Posts: 7,653
    RC7 wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    without any evidence anybody could have done that, but as always it seems these days that the Muslims get the blame no matter what.
    Easy targets for easy thinking people.

    You forget that there are groups of left wing people that detest the government and their choices, they would leave a similar message.

    The bottom line is, it's despicable. You don't get your point across about 'innocents' by targeting other 'innocents'.

    The bottom line that the act is despicable, I fully agree.

    Despicable is also the evidence free blaming of a certain group simply because it is easy and does not require any thinking. The gut overrules the brain too often for it to be worthwhile a lot of the time. Which is a shame, because they're issues that really need to be discussed rationally and calmly, and sometimes that's just impossible.

    The act is despicable find out who is behind it and then blame somebody.
  • edited July 2014 Posts: 11,425
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    SaintMark wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    without any evidence anybody could have done that, but as always it seems these days that the Muslims get the blame no matter what.
    Easy targets for easy thinking people.

    You forget that there are groups of left wing people that detest the government and their choices, they would leave a similar message.

    The bottom line is, it's despicable. You don't get your point across about 'innocents' by targeting other 'innocents'.

    The bottom line that the act is despicable, I fully agree.

    Despicable is also the evidence free blaming of a certain group simply because it is easy and does not require any thinking. The gut overrules the brain too often for it to be worthwhile a lot of the time. Which is a shame, because they're issues that really need to be discussed rationally and calmly, and sometimes that's just impossible.

    The act is despicable find out who is behind it and then blame somebody.

    Sorry @SaintMark, but if you've read my earlier post, I hope you'll see that I'm not on the anti-Muslim bandwagon here. However, if you'll actually look at the evidence you'll notice that the grafitti contains the slogan: "4Innocent Muslims". Non-Muslim anti-war protestors would have been highly unlikely to have used this slogan. The secular anti-war movement might detest what our western governments have done, but it is highly unlikely that they would go as far as describing the 7/7 bombers as 'innocent'. This act of vandalism is clearly the work of some misguided Islamic protest group.

    Remember - there is a flip side to those who blame everything on Muslims. And that is those who refuse to acknowledge the toxic role of Islamic extremism despite the clear evidence in front of them. 'Easy thinking' is not the exclusive preserve of anti-Muslims.
  • Posts: 7,653
    I am sorry I read 4Innocent Muslims not as referring to the suicide bombers but in reference for the huge amounts of Muslims dying in the far East due to the meddling of the UK and their NATO friends. And there are quite a few of innocents hurt in the crossfire.
    For me it felt more as a protest against the fact that the people dying in the far east/middle east have no place for remembrance and get not remembered.

    So you see a difference in reading this awefull vandalism which is totally inappropriate and the perpetrators should be caught. But like I said I am not convinced it is Muslims.
  • Posts: 11,425
    SaintMark wrote:
    I am sorry I read 4Innocent Muslims not as referring to the suicide bombers but in reference for the huge amounts of Muslims dying in the far East due to the meddling of the UK and their NATO friends. And there are quite a few of innocents hurt in the crossfire.
    For me it felt more as a protest against the fact that the people dying in the far east/middle east have no place for remembrance and get not remembered.

    So you see a difference in reading this awefull vandalism which is totally inappropriate and the perpetrators should be caught. But like I said I am not convinced it is Muslims.

    I am pretty sure that is a reference to the 4 bombers.

    Also, and I could of course be wrong, but I would be hugely, hugely surprised if any one from the mainstream anti-war movement regarded this memorial to innocent victims of terrorism as a legitemate target in their campaign. If anything, those in the anti-war movement would see the 7/7 bombing victims as victims of a wider conflict, that they see as largely caused by western aggression. Why would any one in the mainstream anti-war movement do this?

    Only a protest group with an Islamic tinge would go as far as claiming the bombers were 'innocent' - this smacks of a Muslim extremist narrative in which the bombers were legitemate 'jihadi' combatants .
  • Posts: 19,339
    I was at the next bus stop when the bus exploded around the corner,and i was one of the first to the scene of devastation.

    Believe me,these cowards were NOT innocent or legitimate.
  • edited July 2014 Posts: 4,622
    SaintMark wrote:
    I doubt that the blame for this act can be laid at the feet of Muslims, I sense a different group having a hand in this.............. One of a more western persuasion.
    I think you are right. I don't get the "4innocentMuslims" reference, but the rest seems consistent with the platitudes served up by western anti-war and/or conspiracy truthers.

  • Posts: 11,425
    timmer wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    I doubt that the blame for this act can be laid at the feet of Muslims, I sense a different group having a hand in this.............. One of a more western persuasion.
    I think you are right. I don't get the "4innocentMuslims" reference, but the rest seems consistent with the platitudes served up by western anti-war and/or conspiracy truthers.

    Serious?
  • edited July 2014 Posts: 4,622
    No, I am joking. This is a comedy thread isn't it. Sarcasm intended.

    I will spell it out for you. I am agreeing with the sentiment articulated by @saintmark. But I thought that was clear. Apparently not.

    "Blair Lied Thousands Died" does not sound like Islamic Jihadi sloganeering.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    barryt007 wrote:
    I was at the next bus stop when the bus exploded around the corner,and i was one of the first to the scene of devastation.

    Believe me,these cowards were NOT innocent or legitimate.

    Must have been dreadful.

    Whoever the culprits are, I hope they get caught.
  • edited July 2014 Posts: 19,339
    It wasnt pleasant,blood and body parts - also people still alive who had been blasted out of the bus across the area.

    When i finally got on a train to get back as close to home as i could (all the trains were obviously up the creek) i got half a carriage to myself as my white shirt was bloodstained from helping people before the emergency services got there,so people on the train moved from me,still in shock i suspect from the events. !!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I cannot even imagine the horror.

    When the Oslo bombs went off, I was living there and the explosion went off right about the time I usually passed the government complex on my way home from work. Thankfully I was on a holiday and out of town until two days later.
  • Posts: 19,339
    Thats why i eat what i like,drink what i like,watch what i like etc...you never know whats' around the corner !! (an exploding bus in my case ! ).
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    You are a true life hero, enjoy life. We know it is precious.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    You are a true life hero, enjoy life. We know it is precious.

    Seconded. Thanks for sharing your experiences of that terrible day, Barry.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    You are a true life hero, enjoy life. We know it is precious.

    Ditto. Thank you @barryt007

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