Is OHMSS Better Without Sean Connery?

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  • edited April 2020 Posts: 1,009
    Mrs. Rigg is still reeking of glamour.
    To a foreigner, and being stereotypical, she and Maggie Smith are the peak of old British elegancy. Diana was a sexy beast and now a lady like few others; Smith is not especially attractive, but she's magnetic, smart even when wearing rags, the epitome of old British distinction.
  • edited April 2020 Posts: 4,409
    Has anyone seen this LIFE Magazine feature about the casting of OHMSS? It's so very interesting to see the final 5 candidates.....
    https://www.life.com/arts-entertainment/being-007-life-behind-the-scenes-at-james-bond-auditions/
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    I think aside from Lazenby, the one who has the 'Bond look' is Robert Campbell. He looks like Henry Cavill in the Man from UNCLE.

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    Has anyone seen this LIFE Magazine feature about the casting of OHMSS? It's so very interesting to see the final 5 candidates.....

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    I think aside from Lazenby, the one who has the 'Bond look' is Robert Campbell. He looks like Henry Cavill in the Man from UNCLE.

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    Does anyone know more about this photoshoot? Or have the full article? I can't seem to find it.....


    Only the article on this very site: https://mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/history_ohmss_auditions.php3
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    I always wondered how serious any of these guys were considered after Lazenby announced his departure. I know they were leaning toward an American leading man, but given they kept going back to Dalton, why not one of these?
  • edited April 2020 Posts: 1,009
    BT3366 wrote: »
    I always wondered how serious any of these guys were considered after Lazenby announced his departure. I know they were leaning toward an American leading man, but given they kept going back to Dalton, why not one of these?

    I have that personal suspicion (mind you, it has no basis but my own twisted mind) that Saltzman and Broccoli favoured Hans de Vries. In a way, he was the boy from the youth squad, having already appeared on YOLT and Billion Dollar Brain.
    George got the part out of sheer determination, Peter Hunt's support and beating poor Yuri Borienko to a pulp.
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    What part did de Vries play in YOLT?
  • edited April 2020 Posts: 4,409
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    Lazenby just seems more charismatic in those photos. A little more mischievous and with a glint in his eye. Robert Campbell seemingly would have been good though based on the photos. I'd be interested to know why he didn't win out over Lazenby.

    Isn't the story that Peter Hunt was the most impressed with Lazenby's fighting style? I think hunt was very much an aestheticist and wanted someone who 'looked' the part more than just an actor. Which he got with George.

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    BT3366 wrote: »
    What part did de Vries play in YOLT?

    According to IMDb, "Control room technician". I searched for him to no avail.
  • JWPepperJWPepper You sit on it, but you can't take it with you.
    edited April 2020 Posts: 512
    BT3366 wrote: »
    What part did de Vries play in YOLT?

    According to IMDb, "Control room technician". I searched for him to no avail.

    I believe De Vries is one of the people with a labcoat on, fleeing down the stairs during the battle. Not really sure though.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Just sort of having discovered this thread for the first time since joining this community three years ago:: Shouldn't the question rather be "Would OHMSS be better without George Lazenby?" ANY of the other Bond actors would have delivered a better performance than Lazenby, and without him, I'd expect this to be the top movie of the entire franchise for decades. But not with him.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Considering that Connery said in a 1972 interview that OHMSS had too much talking and too little action and drama, yes.

    Let us also consider the fact that Connery had far more say in how Bond was portrayed in DAF than ever before.
  • edited May 2020 Posts: 6,709
    Too bad Lazenby was stupid back then and made all the wrong decisions, because I really liked him as Bond, and he would've grown in the part. The man had screen presence, he knew how to walk and knew how to through a punch.
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    Univex wrote: »
    Too bad Lazenby was stupid back then and made all the wrong decisions, because I really liked him as Bond, and he would've grown in the part. The man had screen presence, he knew how to walk and knew how to through a punch.

    Yes I agree. Lazenby had the potential to be the most badass Bond of all. He had the swagger, charisma and a real-life hell-raising bad attitude off screen.

    The one thing he lacked was acting experience, but as you say, he'd have grown in the part and that would have naturally come with more movies under his belt. For carrying a Bond type attitude in real life and not just an actor playing a role, Lazenby tops everyone who played Bond, and Connery comes second.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I can't say I'm all that enamored about Lazenby, who just comes across too much as a young cocky Aussie with bad delivery and little charisma. Frankly, I enjoy Connery more in DAF. Lazenby is just lucky the film turned out to be much better than he deserved.
  • edited May 2020 Posts: 3,327
    I can't say I'm all that enamored about Lazenby, who just comes across too much as a young cocky Aussie with bad delivery and little charisma. Frankly, I enjoy Connery more in DAF. Lazenby is just lucky the film turned out to be much better than he deserved.

    Connery had everything to play Bond - in spades. Every other actor that followed attempted to bring out a side of Connery's performance, whether its Craig's swagger, Moore's funny quips or even Dalton's more thespian Fleming take.

    But when it comes to the actors who had the badass attitude in real life, I think Lazenby tops the list, which would look something like this -

    1. Lazenby
    2. Connery
    3. Craig
    4. toss up between Moore, Brozza and Dalton, who appear to be more refined gentlemen. I think Brozza probably edges it over Moore and Dalton, from his rough Irish upbringing, although I admit I know very little of Dalton's early life in Wales.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    I honestly think any time a Bond film comes out, it reminds Lazenby of his mistake. It hurts me very well that Lazenby didn't make DAF, that was the least he could have done. I even watched OHMSS last night & Boy! the man can throw a punch, he still has the best fisticuffs of all the Bonds...not to mention his impressive skiing skills.

    I think part of the reason Lazenby made that huge mistake, was coz he was & is still the youngest Bond....Being 29, coupled with all the 60s craze. If he were at least in his early or mid 30s, he wouldn't have turned down Cubby & Harry's impressive offer.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Time does not mature a man. Life does.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2020 Posts: 16,422
    I tend to think that it wasn’t Sean this movie needed, but Roger.
    Consider the open sequence in Portugal: a playboy travelling around the casinos of the Algarve? Pretty much The Saint’s stock-in trade, and he would’ve looked like he belongs there, whereas George looks shifty.
    Roger showed he could be the more sensitive Bond several times during his run: he was often much kinder and more human than Connery’s womanising tough version, and it would have worked here. He would have supplied star power (which the film lacks entirely) and would have actually brought some actual comic timing to the Hilary Bray section, as well as being a strong enough performer to provide a foil to Rigg. The fight scenes would have been worse, sure. I can live with that.

    Roger’s the guy this film needed.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2020 Posts: 16,422
    Has anyone seen this LIFE Magazine feature about the casting of OHMSS? It's so very interesting to see the final 5 candidates.....
    https://www.life.com/arts-entertainment/being-007-life-behind-the-scenes-at-james-bond-auditions/
    James+Bond+-+Rare+and+Unpublished+Photos+From+Auditions+for+%E2%80%98On+Her+Majesty%E2%80%99s+Secret+Service%E2%80%99+%281%29.jpg

    I think aside from Lazenby, the one who has the 'Bond look' is Robert Campbell. He looks like Henry Cavill in the Man from UNCLE.

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    I think that Anthony Rogers guy looks the most like he’s stepped out of a paperback. No idea how his acting was though.

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    mtm wrote: »
    I tend to think that it wasn’t Sean this movie needed, but Roger.
    Consider the open sequence in Portugal: a playboy travelling around the casinos of the Algarve? Pretty much The Saint’s stock-in trade, and he would’ve looked like he belongs there, whereas George looks shifty.
    Roger showed he could be the more sensitive Bond several times during his run: he was often much kinder and more human than Connery’s womanising tough version, and it would have worked here. He would have supplied star power (which the film lacks entirely) and would have actually brought some actual comic timing to the Hilary Bray section, as well as being a strong enough performer to provide a foil to Rigg. The fight scenes would have been worse, sure. I can live with that.

    Roger’s the guy this film needed.

    That's a very interesting perspective. And one I've never thought of. Congrats.

    But in the end, I believe having a one-off actor in this one-off high quality film, gives it its special stature, and it further reinforces that on does not need a young actor to be there for 13 odd years making a helluva number of films, while he gets older and seasoned into the character. One can easily make brilliant James Bond films with no continuity and a 40ish old actor in the part of an already seasoned agent. IMO, of course.
  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
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    I can't say I'm all that enamored about Lazenby, who just comes across too much as a young cocky Aussie with bad delivery and little charisma. Frankly, I enjoy Connery more in DAF. Lazenby is just lucky the film turned out to be much better than he deserved.

    Connery had everything to play Bond - in spades. Every other actor that followed attempted to bring out a side of Connery's performance, whether its Craig's swagger, Moore's funny quips or even Dalton's more thespian Fleming take.

    But when it comes to the actors who had the badass attitude in real life, I think Lazenby tops the list, which would look something like this -

    1. Lazenby
    2. Connery
    3. Craig
    4. toss up between Moore, Brozza and Dalton, who appear to be more refined gentlemen. I think Brozza probably edges it over Moore and Dalton, from his rough Irish upbringing, although I admit I know very little of Dalton's early life in Wales.

    +1

    I've always said Lazenby was the most Bondesque of all the men to portray the character. Besides being the highest paid male model in European history, he served as a Sergeant in the Australian Army Special Forces and as a Military Unarmed Combat Instructor. He was a skii instructor at a time and a car mechanic (in the books Bond obviously has some mechanical knowledge as he modifies his cars). The way he went about getting the role is the stuff of legend. Lazenby is the most like Bond outside of playing the role, IMO.


  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Wow, no wonder he became the Malboro man! Got a light, George? :D
  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
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    He obviously smoked and drunk like Bond too.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Octopussy wrote: »
    He obviously smoked and drunk like Bond too.

    Not sure that's something to aim for! :)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    This isn't much to do with anything, but I was looking for the OHMSS gubarrel, and found this White Knight/OHMSS mashup, which is better than it sounds!

  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited May 2020 Posts: 4,247
    mtm wrote: »
    This isn't much to do with anything, but I was looking for the OHMSS gubarrel, and found this White Knight/OHMSS mashup, which is better than it sounds!


    It's very Cool. Even with the mashup, it has uniformity & still retains that Quintessential Bond Sound.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I tend to think that it wasn’t Sean this movie needed, but Roger.
    Consider the open sequence in Portugal: a playboy travelling around the casinos of the Algarve? Pretty much The Saint’s stock-in trade, and he would’ve looked like he belongs there, whereas George looks shifty.
    Roger showed he could be the more sensitive Bond several times during his run: he was often much kinder and more human than Connery’s womanising tough version, and it would have worked here. He would have supplied star power (which the film lacks entirely) and would have actually brought some actual comic timing to the Hilary Bray section, as well as being a strong enough performer to provide a foil to Rigg. The fight scenes would have been worse, sure. I can live with that.

    Roger’s the guy this film needed.

    That's a very interesting perspective. And one I've never thought of. Congrats.

    But in the end, I believe having a one-off actor in this one-off high quality film, gives it its special stature, and it further reinforces that on does not need a young actor to be there for 13 odd years making a helluva number of films, while he gets older and seasoned into the character. One can easily make brilliant James Bond films with no continuity and a 40ish old actor in the part of an already seasoned agent. IMO, of course.

    Agreed. A large reason why OHMSS lingers in the memory is that the actor, and the marriage within the film, is a one-off.

    Imagine if Lazenby were in DAF, and suppose that the theoretical DAF script were not as good as OHMSS (likely, as the source material is weaker)...

    Would a lesser but gritty DAF diminish OHMSS, as some argue SP diminishes SF?
  • This clip posted by the 007 social media really accentuates that George Lazenby not only looks - damn - good in a tux, but that he was terrific in the fight scenes. Remember, Lazenby did pretty much 100% of his stunts in OHMSS (aside the speciality stuff such as skiing).....Criminally underrated Bond

  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    The OP spoke of the inability to forget Connery while watching OHMSS, and how it’s hard not to notice how Lazenby comes up short in comparison. I must therefore ask:

    Am I the only one who forgets about Connery or any other Bond actor while watching OHMSS? I’m too focused on George.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    The OP spoke of the inability to forget Connery while watching OHMSS, and how it’s hard not to notice how Lazenby comes up short in comparison. I must therefore ask:

    Am I the only one who forgets about Connery or any other Bond actor while watching OHMSS? I’m too focused on George.

    No, Lazenby owns it. I never think about Connery while watching it.
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