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FANTASTILICIOUS FUN FOR FILM FANS 089: your top 10's of 2020 and most anticipated films of 2021?

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited March 2015 Posts: 17,788
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero
    I'm always pleased to learn of someone's Blade Runner passion. I'm currently re-reading Sammon's Future Noir book, a must-have for all BR fans. Only Kubrick's 2001 rivals my passion for BR.
    My hard sci-fi Holy Trinity is (in no real order):
    Blade Runner
    2001
    Star Trek: The Motion Picture
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Someone else who likes ST TMP! Great! :-) Usually people tell me how much they hate TMP but love Khan. Now I love Khan too, only I really enjoy the pace, score and visuals of TMP even more. Last thing I'd call that film is boring.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    - E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial
    A brilliant unsurpassed classic that got it completely right, and its soundtrack is sheer brilliance

    - Star Trek: The Wrath Of Khan
    The reboot of the the Star Trek series after the beautifull and underrated STtM it is a great overhaul to the original cast.

    - Blade Runner
    A brilliant Noirish Scifi moviein which Harrison Ford gets eclipsed by the magical Rutger Hauer. Visually breathtaking but not always as good.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    Wrath of Khan
    The Thing
    Blade Runner

    Three of my all time favourite Sci Fi.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    My passion for Blade Runner really can be the James Bond to my Quist, if you follow.

    To watch narrated, or not narrated, that is the question. Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer the Slings and Arrows of detective noir-talk,
    Or to take Arms embracing a Sea silence,
    And by approving, end them?

    How eloquently put! :)
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero

    I'm always pleased to learn of someone's Blade Runner passion. I'm currently re-reading Sammon's Future Noir book, a must-have for all BR fans. Only Kubrick's 2001 rivals my passion for BR.

    I haven't read Sammon's Future Noir yet. I'll definitely have to look into that sometime. There's a lot of interesting history behind Blade Runner. That 3 1/2 hour-long documentary Dangerous Days is full of great material, too.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I've seen every version but my favourite is the '82 international cut because I really dig the 'I don't give a f**k' tone in the narration (so very 50's noir), and the sick violent bits added in (they make me very uncomfortable). I used to think I'd like a three hour version with all the deleted stuff added back in, but once I imagined it all in my head I realized it would just be extending the running time for its own sake.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I never have that much of a problem with the narration UNTIL we get to the climax. Here's Hauer's wonderful monologue about "moments lost in time, like tears in the rain" with Vangelis' beautiful music cementing the emotion and suddenly, rather than allowing us to take a deep breath and contemplate what we have just seen, that bland voice interrupts, explaining things that are pretty obvious, pushing the music to the back... Imagine if in CR, while Bond hugs Vesper's body after she drowned, we'd have a sudden and loud monotone narration going, "Well, that's it. I couldn't save her in time and here I am, holding her in my arms, deciding whether or not I should enter the service again." I always cringe when I get to this moment in the older cuts of the movie.

    (see 3:40 and onwards)

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Blade Runner looks good even in black and white. I do that some times, turn off the colors on select films to see what it looks like.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I did that once with DR and really liked the result.
    But I cannot recommend you do that with DAD...
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I never have that much of a problem with the narration UNTIL we get to the climax.
    To be honest that scene is so powerful to me that I barely even hear the narration at that point.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    At least we agree on it being one of the best scenes ever in cinema history, @chrisisall. Also, Hauer ad-lib'ed it. Can you believe that!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    At least we agree on it being one of the best scenes ever in cinema history, @chrisisall.
    Oh yes, definitely.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Also, Hauer ad-lib'ed it. Can you believe that!
    I heard that but it's hard to believe... unless he was reaching down into his soul for those words...
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited March 2015 Posts: 5,767
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    (see 3:40 and onwards)

    Incredible how superfluous that off narration is in that scene.
    Thanks, I´ll stick with the Final Cut. Saw it on the big screen two days ago, and even though I regularly pop in the DVD at home, seeing it there left a lasting impression.


    chrisisall wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    At least we agree on it being one of the best scenes ever in cinema history, @chrisisall.
    Oh yes, definitely.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Also, Hauer ad-lib'ed it. Can you believe that!
    I heard that but it's hard to believe... unless he was reaching down into his soul for those words...

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @boldfinger, I have never gotten a chance to watch BR on the big screen. I'm so jealous. I'd love - LOVE - to see that beautiful city and all those details on the big screen!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    Incredible how superfluous that off narration is in that scene.
    Thanks, I´ll stick with the Final Cut.
    Diversity is an amazing thing. I appreciate The Final Cut immensely, but when Deckard spells out for us what Batty has just said & done, it seems to me a fine juxtaposition of a very deep and meaningful moment with a simplistic commentary on it that there really are no words for. If that makes any sense at all...
    :-??
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited March 2015 Posts: 5,767
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @boldfinger, I have never gotten a chance to watch BR on the big screen. I'm so jealous. I'd love - LOVE - to see that beautiful city and all those details on the big screen!
    You´re right to be jealous ;-). Imagine the intro fanfare, then the intro text, and then the first synth percussive hits you in the face like Mike Tyson´s fist. My pal with whom I went also said he was totally immersed in the film right from that first synth hit.
    I am so lucky that my town has this Filmmuseum cinema, which is technically very good, and which is specialised in old films. Many of them are not necessarily up my alley, but every now and then true gems are presented. Blade Runner is hard to top, but I also remember seeing a newly restaurated version of The Good The Bad & The Ugly, which was a total eye-opener in terms of visual style in old films. And as much as I enjoy DVD and BR (blu ray in this case), a lot of details are only to be seen on a big screen. And the experience itself is different too of course.



    chrisisall wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Incredible how superfluous that off narration is in that scene.
    Thanks, I´ll stick with the Final Cut.
    Diversity is an amazing thing. I appreciate The Final Cut immensely, but when Deckard spells out for us what Batty has just said & done, it seems to me a fine juxtaposition of a very deep and meaningful moment with a simplistic commentary on it that there really are no words for. If that makes any sense at all...
    :-??
    That must be the most meaningful thing I ever read here. You should post that in the Coolest Thing You´ll see all Day thread :-)).

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <center><font color=#E9AB17 size=6><b>056
    </b>Which are your favourite CGI characters in otherwise live action movies?</font>
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    My choices:

    Caesar
    IMO the very best in CGI ever achieved so far.

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    Gollem
    The facial expression work is incredible.

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    Avenger's Hulk
    The first Hulk since old Lou I can really dig.

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited March 2015 Posts: 17,788
    CGI still can't replace real characters very well, but it can work with the unfamiliar... Gollem is very well done, the apes are impressive but still slightly not 100% IMHO, but where CGI really works perfectly is...
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    Both in Incredible Hulk & Avengers.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Gollum & Jacksons King Kong.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I agree that Caesar is the best yet. And Koba.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited March 2015 Posts: 4,491
    Dobby (Harry Potter 2), Gollem (The Two Towers), King Kong (2005), Incredible Hulk (2008) and Komodo Dragon in Skyfall.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <center><font color=#E9AB17 size=6><b>057
    </b>Craven, Carpenter, ... who is the 'master of horror'?</font>

  • daltondalton
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    I guess I'd have to go with Carpenter. Halloween really set the standard and, IMO, nobody has yet to create a horror icon that can top Michael Myers. Add to that films like The Thing and Carpenter really has set a standard within the horror genre.

    That said, Craven is terrific as well, with his own great horror icon in Freddy as well as classics like The Last House on the Left.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    I would like to add The Fog as well to the accomplishments of Carpenter, Craven is far less my cup of tea.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited April 2015 Posts: 7,529
    Maybe a bit unconventional for this discussion, but one of my "Masters of Horror" would probably be the late H.R. Giger; Alien is one of the most incredible horror movies ever IMO, largely due to his work on the visual effects. Not to mention his influence and long lasting effect on the industry.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    The things I like about Wes Craven:
    - Freddy Krueger
    I'm a huge Freddy fan and I praise Craven for single-handedly creating this scary yet amusing character and his little reign of dream terror.
    - Scream
    Even if most praise for Scream goes to Kevin Williamson.
    - Other stuff like The Last House On The Left, The Hills Have Eyes,...
    Some of these are seminal films in their subgenre, like Last House being one of the first real Rape/Revenge films.
    - Craven is very eloquent
    I really like to hear him talk about the process of making his films.

    But Craven made mistakes and many of them. Hills 2, Swamp Thing, Summer of Fear, The People Under The Stairs, Cursed, Shocker... Yikes! Some of these are hilariously bad.

    John Carpenter made some amazing films, Halloween and The Thing being my favourite films of his. But there's other stuff too. I like Prince Of Darkness, They Live, The Fog, The Ward, Christine, Escape from NY, ... Carpenter went bad too but in my opinion his heights are higher than Craven's and his lows were never as low as Craven's. Freddy is his only bargaining chip for me. Beyond that though, Craven walks in Carpenter's shadows and should never have been called the Master of Horror IMO.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    David Lynch is a good candidate.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    They live
    We sleep...
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Between Craven and Carpenter? I will say Carpenter. A film of his that hasn't been mentioned yet, which I am fond of, is Someone's Watching Me. It's a tv movie (don't let that put you off) thriller, rather than a horror film. It starred the lovely Lauren Hutten, and proved to be Carpenter's dry run for Halloween, which he would make next, but was released first.

    Craven has also been involved in some good films. Though he didn't have an active role in the film, it was made under the 'Wes Craven presents....' banner, but Wishmaster is my favourite horror film the 1990's.
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