FANTASTILICIOUS FUN FOR FILM FANS 089: your top 10's of 2020 and most anticipated films of 2021?

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Oh, if we count the Marvel TV shows too, DC may as well just stop. But we have to handicap it for them so they can at least compete and feel like they matter.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Just to be different, I'm going to go with DC.

    BvS was pretty dismal (in comparison to Nolan's magic) but it was nice to see WW, and Batfleck wasn't all that bad, killing spree aside. I mean, we're not talking Joel Schumacher levels of disgrace here. I enjoyed SS, but had nothing to compare it with as I'm not familiar with any of the characters.

    I didn't like Apocalypse and thought Strange was so-so. I didn't see Deadpool. So the only Marvel output I enjoyed this year was Civil War, which was also a little predictable.

    So DC for me.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Well if we count in TV, then it's DC by a country mile with all the fantastic shows that are currently on air.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    What would tip the balance in DC's favour for me, would be their output of animated films. Return Of The Caped Crusaders alone is worth the recommendation for me.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I don t care about the tv shows, but three enjoyable films from Marvel and two from DC means Marvel wins. Haven t seen Deadpool.
  • DC based on all output this year personal preference, though Marvel Blatantly won the box office.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Counting the tv shows it's tough but DC!
    Love both but the DC tv series if hard to top right now.
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    Because it's been handled so well in terms of movie releases I would opt for Marvel.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Should TV actually be counted? The topic was who won in the cinema, not overall.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    @DarthDimi will you use this thread to ask for our Top 10 films of 2017 + our most anticipated films for 2018? :)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited December 2017 Posts: 24,177
    Excellent suggestion, @DaltonCraig007.

    So:

    083
    WHAT ARE YOUR MOST ANTICIPATED FILMS FOR 2018?
    WHICH FILMS OF 2017 ARE IN YOUR TOP 10?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    My 10 favorite films of 2017 (in no particular order, apart from my #1 being at the top):

    Blade Runner 2049
    John Wick: Chapter 2
    American Made
    Logan
    Atomic Blonde
    The Hitman's Bodyguard
    Dunkirk
    Good Time
    Wind River
    Borg McEnroe

    My most anticipated films for 2018:

    Triple Threat
    Mission Impossible 6
    Rampage
    Skyscraper
    The Meg
    The Equalizer 2
    X-Men: The New Mutants
    Deadpool 2
    Sicario 2: Soldado
    The Commuter
    12 Strong
    Black Panther
    Annihilation
    Gringo
    7 Days in Entebbe
    Captive State
    Widows
  • My top ten of 2017 in no particular order

    Get Out
    John Wick Chapter 2
    War For The Planet Of The Apes
    T2 Trainspotting
    IT
    Dunkirk
    Detroit
    Baby Driver
    Split

    Honourable mentions to Free Fire, Anabelle Creation and Kingsman 2. I think The Foreigner would be on there if I'd been able to see it (no sign of a UK release). If I had to pick a favourite it'd probably be Dunkirk.

    Next year off the top of my head I'm most excited for Creed 2 (seriously can not wait) the new Predator movie and the next Conjuring spinoff which is about the nun from the second film.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited December 2017 Posts: 4,515
    Moost intrest in from 2018:

    Tomb Raider
    Johnny English 3
    Mission Impossible 6
    Ocean's 8
    Jurassic World 2. I already hope to collect first one, but the prices there asking.
    Red Sparrow
    Peter Rabbit
    Mowgli. Another live action version of Jungle Book.
    The Nutcracker. Look like some Alice in Wonderland movie.
    Ant-Man 2
    Pacific Rim 2
    Fantastic Beast 2


    Mabey:
    Deadpool 2. I hope i finaly can buy BD of first movie.
    Rampage.
    Ready Player One
    Inversion
    Early Man
    The Equalizer 2
    Sicario 2
    Transformers 6 (Bumble Bee)
    The Mazerunner 3 & Divirgent 3

    From 2017, but released in 2018 in The Netherlands:

    The Greatest Showman (11 Jan)
    All the Money in the World (11 Jan)
    Father Figures (18 Jan)
    Bullet Head (25 Jan)
    Just Getting Started (03 May)

    Tv premieres in 2018:

    Spectre. Tv premiere. I expect in January like SF in January 2015, but it look like that wil not happen. So expect in March 2018 like Casino Royale in 2009.

    Mission Impossible 5. Tv premiere. Problem is that i whant limited 2 disc BD, but when i order it when price whas acceptable it was sold out. With cinema release of Mi6 my expections it be on tv in July 2018. Possible i wil be a bit more patience and mabey skip this tv premiere. Because of hope on second hand of 2 disc BD or 1 disc Steelbook .
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    2017 top ten

    Split
    A Cure For Wellness
    Logan
    Alien Covenant
    Wonder Woman
    Spiderman:Homecoming
    War For the Planet of the Apes
    Dunkirk
    Blade Runner 2049
    Thor: Ragnarok


    Most anticipated

    Black Panther
    Pacific Rim Uprising
    Avengers: Infinity War
    Solo: A Star Wars Story
    Incredibles 2
    Sicario 2. Soldado
    Ant_Man and The Wasp
    X-Men: Dark Phoenix


  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Top 10 (to date) from 2017**
    Dunkirk
    Mother!
    It
    Thor Ragnarok
    Blade Runner 2049
    SW-8 The Last Jedi
    Spider Man: Homecoming
    Kong: Skull Island
    John Wick Chapter 2
    Wonder Woman

    Most awaited for 2018

    Avengers: Infinity War
    Sicario 2: Soldado
    Gringo
    7 Days in Entebbe
    The Commuter
    Black Panther
    Deadpool 2

    **this list may change in the next few days if Molly's Game and All The Money In The World live up to expectations.
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    My Top 5 of the year that I’ve seen:

    1. It
    2. Blade Runner 2049
    3. Dunkirk
    4. Get Out
    5. Coco
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Updated for two films from the end of the year
    bondjames wrote: »
    Top 10 from 2017
    Dunkirk
    Mother!
    It
    Thor Ragnarok
    Blade Runner 2049
    SW-8 The Last Jedi
    Spider Man: Homecoming
    Kong: Skull Island
    Molly's Game
    All The Money In The World

    Most awaited for 2018

    Avengers: Infinity War
    Sicario 2: Soldado
    Gringo
    7 Days in Entebbe
    The Commuter
    Black Panther
    Deadpool 2
  • edited January 2018 Posts: 4,615
    Not sure if this the right place for the link but it is connected to the direction that Hollywood is going and it's a debate worth having (happy to put it ina different thread).

    https://theplaylist.net/jodie-foster-superhero-james-gunn-20180102/

    J Foster has a good point but movies like Logan show that you can have you popcorn and eat it. In contrast, Ive been very disappointed with discussions with friends and relatives about TLJ. None of them saw the obvious faults and seem to just be happy with lots of action, lots of fighting etc etc. Are people who actually pay attention to movies in a minority?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @patb, RE: you and your friends, be careful not to step on the salient point that you just have different opinions. I don't think it's an observational issue (they aren't seeing things clearly, etc.). I've had moments where I've entertained thoughts of that sort, so sure a movie was so good or so bad it was impossible not to see it, but of course opinion wins the day and people naturally differ when it comes to entertainment. Your friends just have different tastes and expectations.

    I can't speak on the Star Wars issue, however. I haven't seen any of the new ones and don't even like the old ones, so I don't have a dog in the fight and if I did I fear he'd be asleep on my lap. I do hear vocal criticism for these latest films on this forum alone more than I do praise, so you're certainly not alone in your disappointment by any means.
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 fair point but (sorry to repeat from another thread) a cousin stated that perhaps I did not appreciate the Last Jedi as I had not seen it on iMax. I pointed some of the main issues with the plot, script etc and his reply was that he had not thought about any of those issues (very honest), so, if by expectations, we mean having to think about what you are watching, then that maybe the issue. What's to point of a script writer making an effort if the audience are not thinking about what they are watching?

    Film's like Logan show that you can have genuine drama and character in addition to good action. I think the danger is (and Foster is referring to this I think) is that we have too many movies that focus on an existing brand and just squeeze too much from the brand rather than focussing on producing a genuinely thought provoking, emotional story.

    Obviously, there are fans who dont want story and are happy to watch massive action scenes but, we know from how well movies are regarded in the long term, that action on it's own has no long term impact. They are throw away creations and add little to the history of cinema.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @patb, just playing devil's advocate here, but all this could be applied to the Bond series as well. The scripts dating back to even the 60s were nutty from about GF on, and full of inconsistencies, leaps of logic and just plain ridiculous things. But they have other things to enjoy that allow one to forgive or overlook the scripting if you have an issue with being taken on an improbable, wacky ride. Star Wars is after all a sci-fi series, so perhaps the movies are welcome to more wild scripting than most movies out there because they are inherently based upon the adventures of space creatures on vast alien planets? I dunno, but I don't see much issue with people overlooking the flaws you see in TLJ and those who enjoy older Bond films that were very much escapism focused over plausibility or practicality. I'm not going to say that someone who is a fan of TSWLM has unsatisfactory or weak expectations for a Bond movie (or that they don't engage their head when watching films) simply because they enjoy the Lotus diving into the water, something that is beyond reality. They just think it's fun, and that's okay. Just because it's not inherently logical shouldn't discount the enjoyment people get from it, after all. If that were the case the only Bond films that people would be allowed to enjoy are those that are more earnest and grounded than escapist, and that's not a lot of the 24.

    I also wouldn't be quick to champion things like Logan. I guess it's a big hit with people, and I liked it too, but that movie also has big flaws as well as far as general filmmaking goes, so from my side I don't see how TLJ is flawed and badly executed when Logan has its own setbacks. While I came away from Logan impacted by the emotion of the piece, it was undoubtably a film that was built around constant repetition of the same action sequences over and over again (not exciting or original), such that it gets stale action wise at the end for this viewer because I've seen about seven different version of Logan cutting the same people down with small drama breaks in between.

    And let's not forget that Logan came about because Fox had been squeezing the X-Men/Wolverine brand so exhaustively for nearly two decades such that they were forced into doing something fresh for once with the character. Before Logan came out Hugh Jackman was jammed into countless Fox superhero films, many of which were not hits by any means, and there was a lot of criticism for how Logan was used at all times, as people thought he was neutered and not faithfully translated to the screen from the comics. It was only until Jackman's last film that Fox really did anything new with the brand, or did the character justice, and they did so in Jackman's last movie as the character. Not exactly what I'd call a successful model. Logan embarrasses other X-Men films with Wolverine because it's not hard to be better, frankly. The last time around they actually felt like they were trying, and knew the character, but that wasn't the case for most of the time.
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    "Star Wars is after all a sci-fi series, so perhaps the movies are welcome to more wild scripting than most movies"

    Sci-fi still has humans (or human sourced emotion) as their core. It's humans watching the movie so we need to be able to relate to the character. Rachael in Bladerunner is a good example. She works as a character not because she is human but she has traits and emotions that the audience relate to. Another example: Ripley's desire for motherhood in Aliens. Amongst all of the tech, action and violence etc, the writer put basic human emotion/need at the centre of the plot and it drives the story forward re her desire to save Newt.

    So IMHO scri-fi writers still must focus on character. Lucas knew this when he created the iconic characters with SW. I dont think sci-fi gives any room for wild scripting compared to other styles of movie.

    I digress massively, sorry
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @patb, I just don't see much weight to the argument.

    When it comes to sci-fi, I wasn't really referring to characters and how they're written, but the events around them. By which I mean, when Star Wars has improbable sword and ship battles, you're going into a movie that is very much focused on spectacle and things will not logically add up if you sit there wondering about why the Stormtroopers are all bad shots, why the heroes never seem to get hit, how all the ships are even flying and what the hell Midichlorians are. Basically, you sign up for being taken on a ride.

    That's why it's a bit of a lost cause to praise the scripting of a movie like OHMSS on generally realistic or honest terms, considering that it is one of the most improbably told stories in the series, with things revolving around Blofeld that make no sense whatsoever (him setting up the clinic and creating an identity in a small amount of time, him not realizing Bond is Bray, the concept of the Angels and the brainwashing, etc). But we as fans overlook it because it's escapist filmmaking, a modern myth, and we know that things aren't going to match up to reality. The point of a Bond script in that case isn't to play to absolute logic or reality, it's to take you on an adventure. If you begin to rate Bond scripts on truth and what can happen, you are risking calling nearly all the films badly written by that logic because what happens to Bond doesn't happen in real life. The fantasy is emphasized and usually doubled down upon.

    I do agree that the best movies are those that have spectacle and strong character, but who is to say that your friends weren't moved by the way the characters in TLJ were written, even if you weren't? Maybe they're not avoiding the flaws, but don't see them as such? I don't know what happens to Luke in the movie (and don't want to), but I know that response to his part in it has been contentious because every fan has an idea of how Luke should be written (Mark Hamill even seemed upset). It's like taking a famous character like Han, and making him toe the line between the light and dark side, for example. A lot of fans would despise Han going bad, thinking it was against his character, while others would view it as an interesting use of the character. Neither viewer is wrong, it's just how their tastes perceive the use of the character.

    I just wouldn't highlight movies like Blade Runner as examples of films that have what you're looking for when it comes to character and scripting, as I think it's horribly written from that perspective and beyond hollow (even robotic, fittingly). Rachael is a big example of what I find wrong in the film, basically that the emotion and character fail to ignite any genuine connection or care from me. I don't relate to anyone in the film, even (especially) Deckard, and don't find it a great story or use of character across the board maybe outside of Roy who redeems a bit of it. But you get my point, we have differing perceptions about the same movie. Just like I don't get what is so great about the script in Blade Runner no matter how much I think about it, you can't see what your friends see in TLJ. But the thing I wouldn't take away from that is the fact that I or them aren't paying attention or seeing what they should in the film, or that we've shut off our brains. We just like what we like, and that's it. I could turn around and say you're overlooking flaws in movies like Blade Runner that I see, but it's fruitless because you don't see the flaws I see as flaws. It's all nothing more than opinion.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Films of 2017

    1. Blade Runner 2049
    2. Dunkirk
    3. Baby Driver
    4. The Last Jedi
    5. T2 Trainspotting
    6. Moonlight
    7. Jackie
    8. Split
    9. Free Fire
    10. Get Out ( thought it was good but couldn't quite understand the hyperbole over)
    11. Prevenge
    12. Logan
    13. Logan Lucky

    That's about it for me films I've seen released in the UK this year.

    As for awaiting in no particular order.

    The Darkest Hour
    Sicario 2 Soldado
    Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald
    The Predator
    Isle of Dogs
    White Boy Rick
    Backseat
    Apostle
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Shardlake, happy to see some Free Fire love. I only saw it once but loved it, and conveniently enough, my buddy just gave it to me on blu-ray as a Christmas gift. Can't wait to rewatch it - action-packed, hilarious, with a scenery chewing cast to boot. Armie Hammer is the textbook definition of cool in this, and Cillian Murphy is always phenomenal.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @Shardlake, happy to see some Free Fire love. I only saw it once but loved it, and conveniently enough, my buddy just gave it to me on blu-ray as a Christmas gift. Can't wait to rewatch it - action-packed, hilarious, with a scenery chewing cast to boot. Armie Hammer is the textbook definition of cool in this, and Cillian Murphy is always phenomenal.

    I saw it back in March while they were doing a tour of the film here in the UK. Ben Wheatley and Sam Riley were there, Wheatley introduced the film and then came back at the end to do an Q&A with Riley.

    My first Q&A was quite interesting, was amusing when someone suggested Tarantino was a big influence on the project, Ben quite rightly pointed out other film makers had set a film in one location, he also talked about the influence of the original Taking of Pelham 123.

    Something I definitely picked up on, while I didn't think it was his best work ( that is Sightseers for me) I did thoroughly enjoy it and thought the cast equipped themselves well.

    Very inventive and Wheatley as always made good use of his budget making the film much more than what it cost (7 million dollars). Though it never drew a profit in it's whole global box office take. Definitely better than most of the franchise nonsense released in 2017.

    I've not seen it since and will grab the Blu ray at some point to revisit it.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I don't even believe it got a wide release here in the States, which was a shame. My buddy and I had the trailer attached to a movie we saw months prior, but then it never seemed to release nearby. Happy to own it now, seemed easily rewatchable.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @Creasy47, I saw a bit of a trailer for Free Fire and that awesome poster, but I don't think it ever played around me either, though I'm interested to see it. That's the case with a lot of movies I'm interested in these days. The biggie recently was Blade Runner 2049 that I was genuinely excited for, thinking it'd at least be a spectacle on the big screen, but of course it never screened anywhere in my area at any theaters I know and that could very well be down to the fact that it was pulled from theaters relatively quickly when its box office didn't deliver. A shame.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Creasy47, I saw a bit of a trailer for Free Fire and that awesome poster, but I don't think it ever played around me either, though I'm interested to see it. That's the case with a lot of movies I'm interested in these days. The biggie recently was Blade Runner 2049 that I was genuinely excited for, thinking it'd at least be a spectacle on the big screen, but of course it never screened anywhere in my area at any theaters I know and that could very well be down to the fact that it was pulled from theaters relatively quickly when its box office didn't deliver. A shame.

    It's why 2018 is looking pretty weak for film for me: anything I'm interested in will most likely get a limited release and won't play anywhere nearby, and there aren't any big releases that demand I pay money to see them until June/July.
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