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I am, and not only because of the reactions (both sides), but also because of Bond 25.
You’ve seen it? Do tell us your verdict.
I didn't say I have seen it, but I'm feel embarrassed
Why do you fell embarrassed Mr. Sani?
The point @RC7 was making was that you'd have to see the damn thing or know what the damn thing is about, to construct you opinion, or even to have any feelings related to it, such as embarrassment. How can you feel embarrassed by something you know close to nothing about?
(...why do we bother, @RC7?)
It's embarrassing for me.
I know: "Daniel Craig will be James Bond", "Bond retired in the end of Spectre", "Bond is more than a code number", "Ariel's voice is the most importan... sorry, wrong franchise
I'm having a hard time understanding why that's "embarrassing".
I am truly curious @Sani, and I look forward to your reply: as I suggested to another member, why bother with this film? If B25 sounds so wrong to you, if you're embarrassed by some of the likely changes they've done, why continue going on about it? Why bother lamenting about it? Why bother thinking about this train wreck? Why take the effort to read the comments, and further, to think about your own and write about them? Why not go on threads that make you happy? Why not skip B25 altogether, and focus on the films you like? The books you like? Or the comics? You've made your decision about this film, and it sounds like the equivalent of a bad relationship where my advise would be to dump your abusive partner and move on, mate. Just move on.
The next step is not easy.
I think that I understand you but do You know that (probably) Nomi will be 007 for one film only? And I'm okay with that.
That's your opinion and your entitled to it, @Sani . But, I go back to the breaking up analogy-- there's nothing you can do to stop the abuse this film will reign down on you. So it's up to you to break it off, for your own mental and emotional health. Be brave, take a deep breath, remember the good times-- before the franchise turned on you-- and walk away. You'll find another franchise, I guarantee it.
I know, but it's not ok for me.
Our opinion is different. No problem. :)
That doesn't mean the film will be.
That's me and the Mendes films, @peter. I don't like them, so I don't watch them (although I sat through them to complete my Bondathon a while back). I still have 22 films to enjoy, and hopefully another one with B25. The little teaser certainly looks promising.
@Sani, I do respect that you have your own opinion and feelings, but as I want to understand them, can I ask you your age, gender, ethnicity and continent? Totally understand if you don't want to divulge them. It's just that I'm curious, and I'd love to contextualise your opinions. Thank you.
There are major differences between Bond 25 and the Ghostbusters '16. You know, like the fact that 2016 Ghostbusters had a completely different cast and was a straight up reboot with none of the original cast reprising their roles. Meanwhile, Bond 25 has Daniel Craig still playing James Bond and is still the leading man.
You're absolutely right, I don't think that it will be a bad movie, just I won't see it. :)
I envy this attitude very much. :)
Unfortunately, I'm not like that...
I'm right with you there.
I see. Say Bond gets his 007 status back at some point in the film; will you still not see it because the number has been assigned a different agent in the meantime?
It's really not that difficult, @Sani. I'd say, give the film a chance. If it's not for you, then it's just wait and see what the next one brings. :)
Naturally. I haven't claimed that there is any truth in the media.
If only at the end or not at all, then I won't.
Each to their own, but IMO that should just be a minor niggle, and not enough to skip a film altogether.
To elaborate this a bit: It's only natural though isn't it, to have a few films in a long-running series one has minor or major issues with. We as Bond fans have been spoiled with great entertainment for decades, and 20+ films. Showing bitterness and anger towards the producers because one film isn't turning into what one might expect, seems a bit over the top.
And I agree, skip the film if certain elements are too difficult to accept. There will always be Bond 26 (and beyond).
Agreed @Torgeirtrap ... we have been spoiled. My personal faves will always be the Golden era (DN up to OHMSS-- with YOLT the black sheep (but, watching it the other night, something clicked, I was in awe of it. Don't get me wrong, it's flawed, but it also had/has big balls)...
The first three DC films are also scattered into my top ten list.
So, I like a certain kind of Bond.
I never had issue with Lazenby, and his film currently sits No. 1.
I also like Dalton quite a bit (though I do criticize some of his theatrics (if he nailed the enjoyment of hedonism/alcohol/self-medicating bit a little more (as the Craig era has done), he'd rise (then again, not his fault);
I like Moore. He's like comfort food. Good comfort food. Apart from MR, I always liked to watch him, but not in the same way-- nor ever even close-- to Connery's magnetism (Connery hypnotized me as a kid; he still does).
My unhappiest viewings as a Bond fan came with Brosnan. I think TND is his best performance (minus that god-awful climax, double-fisting machine guns). PB was fun and easy to watch in it. The "dramatic" scenes were glossed over, and got back to the twinkle in his eye, and action on the screen. I was let down by the other films in that era.
I don't blame EoN. It's the man, and the films, they needed at the time. I continued to go to all of PB's films on the first day, but I mainly went back to the past to bring me enjoyment from this franchise.
(and now with Craig's first three, I have a some modern Bond I truly love (with TLD and LTK (another flawed film, short on production, but damn, Davi is great, and he elevated TD performance (making him more natural and cool)........
To bring this back on topic; is a female 007 needed? Maybe not, but it's an opportunity that's there to be explored. I'm sure they can find a clever way to make it work within the confines of a Bond movie.
Your post touches on the actual challenge of this film to have an exciting and original narrative which isn't dragged back or bogged down by Spectre but does the opposite carries it in its wake.
Craig and Waltz we know have reservations about Spectre and Daniel particularly wanted Lea back to make right that element from his POV.
The writing that Cary did in the winter of 2018 will be crucial in this regard whereas the tidying up of the dialogue and situational drama by the other two will give the film its atmosphere.
If i think of the elements of Spectre that could have been better the three additional writers on this film have shown themselves able to deal with such matters as creating critical tension, narrative momentum, curved ball dialogue and mystery so it could work.
However there is a clear difference between Bond fans on the Craig era some like me enjoy the introspective darker analysis of character that echoes the final two Blofeld books and its coda Golden Gun others just want an entertaining yarn and believe director ..... fill in the blanks can do this. Personally I think Bond lite is already being done by others ( a riff on a riff). If they return to sub Moore values then I will probably turn aside but I am not going to get upset about it some really miss that kind of feel where it was a fun family entertainment movie.
We know one improvement has been made Daniel is no longer doing an impersonation of Norman Wisdom in the wardrobe department !
Key word @Torgeirtrap : opportunity...
Do they need a female 007? No, not really. BUT, this is an OPPORTUNITY to explore James Bond further (after all, Fleming constantly needled his character and we could read his thoughts in the book-- inner thoughts and fears and dislikes and prejudices).
Since film is a visual medium, we can now see, in B25, how James Bond likes being replaced...? How his number was given to a complete stranger-- a stranger he is now linked with-- and, especially, how he responds to the fact that the new 007 is the EXACT OPPOSITE to who he is.
I love the possibilities.
I've just seen the new Cruise Top Gun trailer, and I realised something, the man is proud of what that film was and what this new film can be. He's not trying to make it another thing entirely. And the nostalgia is there as well, in a good way. It's not cringeworthy. It's full blown. In your face. Pride.
So, black women as 007 or not, I just want them to make a film they're not ashamed of, something they are deeply proud of, a bonafide James Bond film.
I'm so ready for a trailer :) And I'm still very positive.
All good points @peter, and as far as Bond meeting his replacement goes; that dynamic might be a good "drive" to the film. I guess this is why Phoebe Waller-Bridge was brought on board too – to make the dialogue between them even more dynamic, and hopefully memorable.
Re. opposites: The more I think about this, the more I can imagine a sort of a different take on Bond and Anya Amasova/Agent Triple X; two opposites teaming up to bring down a very dangerous villain. The opposites they might explore with Bond/Nomi can be age and experience, for example.