Fleming wanted Hitchcock for the first Bond movie

DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
edited May 2012 in Literary 007 Posts: 24,187
As to be read here, Ian Fleming had interest in Alfred Hitchcock for a Bond project even before the coming of DN.

I myself have always believed FRWL to be right up Hitch's sleeve.

Any thoughts?
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  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited May 2012 Posts: 4,399
    as a big Alfred Hitchcock fan, i would've loved to see him direct a Bond film.... its funny, FRWL feels very Hitchcock - and 'North by Northwest' feels very James Bond.... i think it would've been a perfect marriage, especially in those early days with Connery.
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    As to be read here, Ian Fleming had interest in Alfred Hitchcock for a Bond project even before the coming of DN.

    I myself have always believed FRWL to be right up Hitch's sleeve.

    Any thoughts?

    FRWL certainly has that "Hitch touch". Part of it is set on a train, it has a "McGuffin" (the Lecktor), it has a beautiful woman and it has exotic locations. And I'm not even going to include the North By North West inspired helicopter chase.

    Funny that Hitch would go on to direct Sean Connery in Marnie.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Hitchcock would have been great at it I think. And yes, FRWL is very Hitchcock, very North by Northwest.
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    Now that would have been something?
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    Hitch would have been fantastic. Only, he wasn't so much into series. Perhaps he wasn't interested exactly because it should be the first in a series?

    Would have been a bummer if the second flick would have had to make do with someone less gifted. Hitch would have upped the expectations considerably. After that you'd have needed another big-wig in the director's chair.
  • If Hitchcock directed the first Bond movie I believe the series would have been quite different. Terrance Young is credited with molding Connery to be the Bond that he portrayed. If Hitchcock directed it, he would have probably been more like Fleming's Bond.
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    Not sure there. Was Hitch ever really involved himself? I thought that was more a wish Fleming had, nothing that ever came near considerations for the cast. Also James Stewart I think was Fleming's suggestion. But he meant Stewart Granger who changed his name for his career.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Has anyone seen stills of the new Hitchcock film with Hopkins playing as him? I think it's about the filming of Psycho.
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    As much I like Hitchcock's films, his pacing is often slow and he wasn't a big fan of location filming. Too much process work in his films. NxNW has a Bond, but overall much too light. I don't feel he would have been a good choice.
  • I'm a big fan of Hitchcock's movies especially North by North West and Psycho. But i don't think the Bond franchise would exsist today if the first movie in a series was directed by Hitch.

    A part of what made Bond a success on screen was Terence Young and Sean Connery. Without the two i don't think Bond would have gone very far on screen. I would very much have liked Hitch to have directed another Bond film in the 60's (Thunderball) which i heard he was offered or something. It would have been a rather interesting film with him at the helm.
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    If Hitchcock directed the first Bond movie I believe the series would have been quite different. Terrance Young is credited with molding Connery to be the Bond that he portrayed. If Hitchcock directed it, he would have probably been more like Fleming's Bond.

    Great point. Without the guidance of Terence Young I feel the series might have gotten off to a bad start. Hitchcock would have no doubt persuaded Cary Grant to do the first one and then that would of been your lot, no sequel, no Bond Theme and no Sean Connery. I think history played out just right with regards to Hitch not getting his hands on Bond.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I think Hitch could have gotten the thriller / suspense aspect of the films right, but as for the action and even the glamour, I'm not so sure. Glamour I say? Yes, we all know about the Hitchcock blondes, but the Bond girls needed a lighter touch IMO.

    As such, I'd reckon that a Hitchcock directed DAF might have been a superb film but as for DN, even FRWL, I wouldn't want to trade Young for all the money in the world!
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    Fellow Agents,
    I agree completely with all of those who credit Terence Young with successfully launching Bond on the silver screen. He did a magnificent job and with Dr.No & FRWL he got it so right!
    That said, I'm a huge Hitchcock fan and I would have loved to have seen him delve into the franchise after Young established it. He could have given us a great version of Moonraker - true to the book but laden with NBNW type suspense and set in England.
    What a thought!
    Assuming Connery had been out of the frame, it's interesting to consider who he would have cast as Bond? Also, who would he've selected for the role of Gala?
    Suggestions please for this dream project!
    Regards,
    Windswept
  • The truth is Hitchock was already way too well-established and personified by the time the Bond films went into fruition. No doubt that if he directed DN, almost everything would've placed under his touch - the locations, the women, the story would have his influence on it. Partially what makes the Bond franchise so successful is because every director has a chance to leave his mark (good or bad) in the series, and Terence Young was probably a result of that.
  • Posts: 2,599
    BAIN123 wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    As to be read here, Ian Fleming had interest in Alfred Hitchcock for a Bond project even before the coming of DN.

    I myself have always believed FRWL to be right up Hitch's sleeve.

    Any thoughts?

    FRWL certainly has that "Hitch touch". Part of it is set on a train, it has a "McGuffin" (the Lecktor), it has a beautiful woman and it has exotic locations. And I'm not even going to include the North By North West inspired helicopter chase.

    Funny that Hitch would go on to direct Sean Connery in Marnie.

    I agree, in terms of FRWL. I have always thought that a Bond film directed by Hitchcock would have been fantastic. Afterall, he was and still is the master of suspense.

    Happy 104th Birthday for yesterday Mr. Fleming! Ended up forgetting to post my birthday wish yesterday but I had remembered his birthday.


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    I'm a big fan of Hitchcock's movies especially North by North West and Psycho. But i don't think the Bond franchise would exsist today if the first movie in a series was directed by Hitch.

    A part of what made Bond a success on screen was Terence Young and Sean Connery. Without the two i don't think Bond would have gone very far on screen. I would very much have liked Hitch to have directed another Bond film in the 60's (Thunderball) which i heard he was offered or something. It would have been a rather interesting film with him at the helm.

    At the time Fleming made the approach to Hitchcock, the director was also producing his films. While he didn't take a producer's credit, the copyright notice in some of his movies cites Alfred J. Hitchcock Productions (I think) as either sole or joint copyright holder. He was also producer of his television series ("An Alfred Hitchcock Production") initially, though he turned over those duties over time to Joan Harrison (married to Eric Ambler) and Norman Lloyd.

    Thus, I suspect a Hitchcock-directed Bond might have shared some style elements (perhaps Hitchcock would have approached it like he did North by Northwest) but in some ways I suspect it would be much different, simply because Hitchcock worked differently than Broccoli and Saltzman.
  • edited May 2012 Posts: 11,425
    FRWL is obviously heavily influenced by NBNW. I think the screen Bond also probably owes something to Richard Hannay in Hitch's film of John Buchan's 39 Steps. That film is also arguably proto-Bond. It also has another great train scene. Robert Donnat is very Moore-esque.
  • mdo007mdo007 Katy, Texas
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    Yep, I always thought that Hitchcock could've pulled off a Bond film if EON had first thought of it. However, if Hitchcock had directed a 007 film, would Hitchcock had kept the gunbarrel sequence, would the Bond theme not be the same and iconic like the one we know? Also I believe Hitchcock did wanted to do his version of From Russia with Love with Cary Grant as 007, and Grace Kelly as Tatiana. I remember reading about it off IMDB and another source. I can't find it though. Ironically, as people said, From Russia with Love is the only Bond film with a Hitchcock-style filming in it. On the Wikipedia entry of Hitchcockian, From Russia with Love is on that list:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchcockian

    Elements considered Hitchcockian include:

    -The cool platinum blonde (Tatiana is blonde, so that count)

    -Tension building through suspense to the point where the audience enjoys seeing the character in a life-threatening situation (there were some of those in the movie)

    -Characters who switch sides or who cannot be trusted (Bond didn't trust Tatiana in part of the movie, and we saw Tatiana killed Klebb her boss at the end of the film)

    -Use of darkness to symbolise impending doom (I've seen some of those in FRWL)

    -Use of a macguffin or plot device that remains unexplained (The lektor is that example)

    -Mistaken identity (Bond mistaken Red Grant for Nash, his contact)

    -and let's not forget the helicopter trying to kill Bond in the same style of North by Northwest.

    So yes, From Russia with Love is the only Bond film that had a Hitchcock motif, and at least it give us an idea how James Bond would've look if Alfred Hitchcock direct the film.

    Also, now I wonder what James Bond would look like if Christopher Nolan direct it. :P
  • mdo007mdo007 Katy, Texas
    edited January 2013 Posts: 259
    Well if Hitchcock did directed a Bond film, this is what the cast and crew would look like:

    James Bond-Cary Grant (he's the closest actor to match 007's look) or Rod Taylor (actually I always thought Rod Taylor could've 007 in OHMSS instead of Lazenby if that had happen), James Mason could also fit as Bond.

    Felix Leiter-James Stewart or Anthony Perkin or John Gavin

    M-Leo G. Carroll

    Bill Tanner-James Mason

    Moneypenny-Ingrid Bergman

    Bond girl:

    Grace Kelly (yep fit the Bond girl look, You want a Tatiana Romanova for a Hitchcock's FRWL, Grace fit)

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    Kim Novak (what if Hitchcock had directed Goldfinger, then Kim Novak would played Pussy Galore)

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    Tippi Hedren:

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    Eva Marie Saint (she could also fit Pussy Galore):

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    Janet Leigh:

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    I can also accept Doris Day as a Bond girl too (she work with Hitchcock in The Man who knew too much)

    Villain:

    Ernst Stavro Blofeld-Boris Karloff or Peter Lorre

    Goldfinger-Ray Milland

    Le Chiffre-Peter Lorre

    Colonel Rosa Klebb-Phyllis Konstam


    After seeing how Ernest Lehman did North by Northwest, I think I would've like to see how Ernest Lehman could've done a screenwriting for a Bond film if Hitchcock did it (honestly, I wish Cubby could've recruited Lehman to do a Bond film, that would've been amazing). For the music, Bernard Herrmann would probably do the music for Hitchcock's Bond and yes it wouldn't be the theme we came to know but I'm sure Herrmann could make something that memorable.

    Also I like that opening sequence in North by Northwest, if Hitchcock did a Bond film I would've like a opening sequence like that it would be sort of closer to how the Bond movie would do for their title sequence.

    Yep this is probably the closest thing to a Hitchcock Bond.
  • Alfred Hitchcock, while not really a fan of his work, would of been real interesting to see what he could of put together on a James Bond release. I think he would of fit right in. Unfortunately it was something we never got to see, but it does get the mind racing to think what the great man could of offered, given the opportunity
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    Actually, besides From Russia With Love, i think that Goldfinger and Thunderball, both have a feel Hitchcockian moments too. And the same can be spoken about Skyfall. I'm thinking about Vertigo (that elevator scene, fall of Patrice in Shanghai)
  • mdo007mdo007 Katy, Texas
    edited January 2013 Posts: 259
    I've been reading some of the Bond novels, I do see some of Fleming's earlier Bond novel could've been adapted into film if Hitchcock had done it:

    Casino Royale (Hitchcock would know how to make the gambling game more intense)

    Moonraker (Hitchcock would've made the movie closer to the book if he had that one)

    Diamonds are Forever (Hitchcock beside keeping it close to the novel, it would have a Notorious and To catch a Thief feel into it)

    From Russia with Love (Eon's version is the closest thing to a Hitchcock Bond, but I believe Hitchcock version would've done good, I wonder how he would've handled the fight scene between Bond and Red Grant)

    Goldfinger (A Hitchcock version would've been quite interesting)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Yeah, Cary would definitely get the Bond role in a Hitch Bond film. It is said that Cary is the only actor Hitch ever loved. With how well they worked with each other and the deep respect that formed between them, it isn't hard to see why.
  • Bentley wrote:
    Fellow Agents,
    I agree completely with all of those who credit Terence Young with successfully launching Bond on the silver screen. He did a magnificent job and with Dr.No & FRWL he got it so right!
    That said, I'm a huge Hitchcock fan and I would have loved to have seen him delve into the franchise after Young established it. He could have given us a great version of Moonraker - true to the book but laden with NBNW type suspense and set in England.
    What a thought!
    Assuming Connery had been out of the frame, it's interesting to consider who he would have cast as Bond? Also, who would he've selected for the role of Gala?
    Suggestions please for this dream project!
    Regards,
    Windswept

    Bentley articulates it so well.
    The best scenario would have been TY passing the baton to Hitch after FRWL.
    This would have obliged him to continue with Connery and aspects of the format whilst giving the franchise his unique take.
    If Connery had wanted out, I'm sure Hitch would have wanted Grant and that would have been something to behold.
    Regarding the perfect vehicle - Bentley nails it - MOONRAKER would have been perfect.
  • mdo007mdo007 Katy, Texas
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    Yeah, Cary would definitely get the Bond role in a Hitch Bond film. It is said that Cary is the only actor Hitch ever loved. With how well they worked with each other and the deep respect that formed between them, it isn't hard to see why.

    Cary Grant was close to playing James Bond for Dr. No if he didn't turn it down, according to Cubby (his wife, Dana also confirmed this) and Terence Young, Grant turned down the role due to being old and just wanted to do one Bond film.

    Also while Dr. No was still in production, Howard Hawks was planning to do his version of Casino Royale with Cary Grant as James Bond 007:

    http://www.hmss.com/films/carygrant007/

    But that was scrapped (I would've love Cubby to had Howard Hawk directing Goldfinger)

    It would've been cool to see Grant as 007, if Hitchcock had made Casino Royale somewhere between 1953-1955. It could've work for Hitchcock and for Fleming and Grant.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    If we get Hitch but lose GF and TB, I would probably be against it. Definitely against it if we lose Sean. My only sadness is that we never got an early Connery era Casino Royale.
  • mdo007mdo007 Katy, Texas
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    If we get Hitch but lose GF and TB, I would probably be against it. Definitely against it if we lose Sean. My only sadness is that we never got an early Connery era Casino Royale.

    Now I wonder what Casino Royale would've look like if that was EON's first Bond film instead of Dr. No:

    -Who would've played Vesper Lynd (I had thought of having Yvonne Furneaux or Elizabeth Taylor in taking that role)?

    -Who would've played Rene Mathis (I can't think of any actor that would've fitted Mathis in the late 1950's/early 1960's)

    -Who would've played Felix Leiter (Jack Lord, John Gavin might've fit)

    -Who would've played Le Chiffre? For me, I always thought Peter Cushing would've made an excellent Le Chiffre. What organization would Le Chiffre would've work for if they have made CR the first Bond film, SPECTRE?

    -How could they would've handle the infamous torture scene, they couldn't allow Bond getting his "love milk sac" getting smacked on screen, the censor would not allow that in late 50's and early 60's?

    -How would Vesper Lynd's death be shown on screen? The overdose on sleeping drug seem boring on screen, would it show her being shot and killed by SPECTRE assassin and would we see Bond mourning her death? Would subsequent Bond films show that everytime Vesper's death is mention Bond would be "pained" just like how after Tracy's death in OHMSS, everytime Bond is reminded of Tracy's death he feel "pained" to be reminded of her death.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Seeing Vesper laying dead from suicide in her bed would be everything but boring! I wish we got that in 2006's CR instead of the Venice piece. Dan would have emotionally sold the hell out of that scene, and we would be talking about it right now as one of the best acted scenes in a Bond film. Think about the scene where he tries desperately to resuscitate Vesper, but can't and multiply its pain and emotion by 100. I dream about it sometimes, and it's a shame we lost out on what could have been one of the most tender and devastating moments of the series.
  • Posts: 1,999
    What Hitchcock did very well was make Hitchock films. NxNW is often cited a precursor to the Bond films, but I disagree. As much as I like Hitchcock's films, especially Vertigo, he did far too much on soundstages and played too much too lightly, which was better suited to Roger Moore's style.

    In 1962, I doubt Hitchcock would have been ready to give us the cold blooded Bond we saw in the first two films. However, toward the end of his career he made Frenzy, which even today remains a hard film to watch. Despite its light touches, the film features a nasty villain and a gritty realism unseen in his previous works.
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