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Skyfall, a TWINE remake?

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  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I understand you're no fan of GE but do you REALLY think its one of the worst films ever made? If so thats pretty laughable.

    I don't normally watch bad movies. I am loyal to Bond, which is the only reason I was able to endure GE, TND, TWINE and DUD. They are definitely the four worst movies I have ever actually watched from end to end.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited May 2012 Posts: 15,718
    Agent007391 wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    Agent007391 wrote:
    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    sorry but TWINE was awful. from Brosnan's dreadful overacting, to the abominable overly melodramatic story, to the painfully dull cinematography, to the very irritating characters like M, Christmas and Eletkra, to the shameful waste of talent of Robert Carlyle......

    Wait, weren't you defending TWINE just a few months ago? Calling it and DAD as some of the "obvious" Flemingesque Bond films?

    I never defended TWINE. DAD yes, but not the pathetic TWINE. I rather have type 2 diabetese than defend TWINE.

    Can you pick a different disease? Hitting a little close to home, there.

    sorry, was just quoting Malcolm Tucker from 'The Thick of It' :)
    Getafix wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I understand you're no fan of GE but do you REALLY think its one of the worst films ever made? If so thats pretty laughable.

    I don't normally watch bad movies. I am loyal to Bond, which is the only reason I was able to endure GE, TND, TWINE and DUD. They are definitely the four worst movies I have ever actually watched from end to end.

    Worst than movies with Paris Hilton ?

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    Getafix wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I understand you're no fan of GE but do you REALLY think its one of the worst films ever made? If so thats pretty laughable.

    I don't normally watch bad movies. I am loyal to Bond, which is the only reason I was able to endure GE, TND, TWINE and DUD. They are definitely the four worst movies I have ever actually watched from end to end.

    I've seen far worse. Batman and Robin to
    Name one. In recent years the only film I literally struggled to sit through was 2012. GE, TND and TWINE I can sit through perfectly fine.
  • DouglasQuaidDouglasQuaid
    Posts: 115
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I understand you're no fan of GE but do you REALLY think its one of the worst films ever made? If so thats pretty laughable.

    I don't normally watch bad movies. I am loyal to Bond, which is the only reason I was able to endure GE, TND, TWINE and DUD. They are definitely the four worst movies I have ever actually watched from end to end.

    I've seen far worse. Batman and Robin to
    Name one. In recent years the only film I literally struggled to sit through was 2012. GE, TND and TWINE I can sit through perfectly fine.

    Nobody should watch Batman And Robin, friend.
  • jolearonjolearon
    Posts: 645
    When you Denise Richards, you don't have to be a good actor.
    X3MSonicX wrote:
    jolearon wrote:
    WHOA! WAIT JUST A SECOND NOW.... Denise Richards was the BEST part of that movie!

    she was hot but she's not that good actress.

  • mumtazmemumtazme
    Posts: 1
    Leave twine alone. Mixed up twoddle it may be but I love it as romp yarn fun thing. Anyway my chicken needs a recharge
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
    Posts: 1,970
    TWINE is my favorite Bond and if they tried to remake it ill be pissed cuz its a great movie that should be left alone
  • 002002
    Posts: 581
    Getafix wrote:
    Brosnan made some of the worst films ever as Bond. not just the worst Bond movies but worst films full stop.

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    Goldeneye....
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    I doing what I can to divorce myself from all things Skyfall even if it can be damn difficult sometimes. I'm not so eager as many to see the trailer even. The films release is still many months away and I'm just watching the days go by and all and trying to keep things to a minimum and when the time arrives just go into theaters with limited knowledge and hope for a decent couple of hours, you understand

    I think the things mentioned are surely a coincidence, I don't think there's any real association with Brosnan's third outing, if it's half as good as that movie was, then I think we'll be in for a treat. That was Brosnan's best Bond moment, this can be Craig's Bond pinnacle, that's the most glaring and blatant observation I can make of this
  • ReelJusticeReelJustice
    Posts: 29
    IMO, there's a good movie hidden somewhere in TWINE but it gets overshadowed and ruined by the really terrible parts of the movie.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    I certainly hope not, TWINE was one the most confused films of the series. They were obviously looking to make a film like OHMSS but couldn't drop the RM smut and all the other nonsense that was established in his era. It was incredibly jarring and yes Robert Carlyle was well and truly wasted on such a weak villain.

    If they'd stuck to the banker opening as the PTS and not that overlong bloated speed boat chase and pared back the gadgets, cheesy humour and had a decent script it might have been the film that some PB fans seem to think it is instead of just being a load of uneven rubbish.

    Skyfall will be infinitely better!

  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited May 2012 Posts: 6,304
    Shardlake wrote:
    I certainly hope not, TWINE was one the most confused films of the series. They were obviously looking to make a film like OHMSS but couldn't drop the RM smut and all the other nonsense that was established in his era. It was incredibly jarring and yes Robert Carlyle was well and truly wasted on such a weak villain.

    If they'd stuck to the banker opening as the PTS and not that overlong bloated speed boat chase and pared back the gadgets, cheesy humour and had a decent script it might have been the film that some PB fans seem to think it is instead of just being a load of uneven rubbish.

    Skyfall will be infinitely better!

    IMHO, Carlyle's character was the problem. The movie had a great twist--the Bond girl is actually the main villain--but muddled it with Renard. I know they wanted to hide Elektra's villainy (despite the painfully obvious name) but Bond killing Elektra was the natural climax of the film. It could have been an ending up there with OHMSS and CR.

    All the stuff with Renard in the sub was superfluous and anticlimactic, plus they never did figure out how to dramatize his superhuman pain threshold.
  • myworldisenoughmyworldisenough
    Posts: 1,143
    Skyfall will not be a remake of TWINE, any similarities are tenious and most Bond films have similarities as it's part of the same old story... the Bond formula. And whilst TWINE is not anything close to being the best Bond film it most certainly is nowhere near being one of the worst. It's a good Bond movie with some faults. Most Bond films have their many faults. People need to chillout over their feelings about some of the Bond films. It escapes me as to how some Bond fans seem to genuinely hate certain Bond actors / Bond movies. I watched TMWTGG yesterday which is truly awful in places but I'm a Bond fan and embrace it for what it is.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    edited May 2012 Posts: 15,124
    I don't think it is going to be a "remake" of TWINE. As Myworldisenough said, there are similarities between all Bond movies, even between the greatest ones and the worst ones. I didn't dislike TWINE, but I do recognise it is heavily flawed. It also had some good ideas, often badly exploired. I think if we see elements of it in Skyfall, then Skyfall can use them better.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    My hope is that they took advantage of the longer time between films to really work on the script for SF.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited March 2014 Posts: 11,139
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I can't be the only one to notice the similarities between Purvis and Wade's first film and their last?

    TWINE was Brosnan's third Bond film, SF was Craig's third Bond film. In both films the PTS ends with Bond falling from a great height and being injured. In both films Bond also injures his shoulder in the PTS, dislocating it after falling from the balloon in TWINE and getting shot by Patrice in Skyfall.

    The plots are also similar. In both films Judi Dench is featured more than usual and it's about M's past coming back to haunt her, and in both films she sort of created the villains. In Skyfall she handed Silva over to the chinese causing him to turn into a psychopath and in TWINE she told King not to pay Elektra's ransom, causing her to become a psychopath. In both films the villains want to kill M because of this.

    The main difference here though is that Elektra was more ambitious than Silva. She also had the whole oil plot while Silva just wanted to kill M. Also, in TWINE, Bond managed to save M, while in Skyfall, she died for her "sins".

    Also, in both films, M doesn't trust Bond and this comes back to bite her on the arse. In Skyfall, she didn't trust Bond to take out Patrice on the train, she told Eve to fire and she ended up losing the list. In TWINE, she doesn't listen to Bond when he tells her his suspicions about Elektra so Elektra is able to kidnap her.

    Another similarity: both films feature a chase through an iconic part of London (the thames boat chase in TWINE, the tube sequence in SF). Also, in both films, the villain blows up MI6, causing them to relocate to a new secret location (the Scottish castle in TWINE, the underground base in Skyfall.

    While the villains aren't similar, there is one similarity. Both villains have girls working for them that are scared of them. The assassin is terrified of Renard, when Bond says he can protect her she says "not from him" and blows up the balloon. In Skyfall, Severine is equally terrified of Silva. When Bond says he knows all there is to know about Silva she says "not like this, not like him". Even the lines are similar, and both girls end up dead. There is one key difference though: the assassin didn't trust Bond to protect her from Renard. Severine trusted Bond to protect her from Silva and that turned out to be a bad decision as she ended up dead.

    And finally, both films feature Istanbul, London and Scotland as locations and both films refer to Bond's family (in TWINE we have the family motto and in Skyfall we have the bit in Scotland).

    I think that this shows that it was a good idea letting Purvis and Wade go. I appreciate what they've done for the series and they've written some of my favourites (TWINE, CR and SF) but I think that the similarities between these two films show that maybe they were running out of ideas.


    Good assessment. Also add that both TWINE and SF have Bond needing to prove himself physically to get back to active duty and the respective Bind cars in each movie get decimated and both films have Bond engaging in a physical showdown inside a casino.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,124
    There are many similarities, I would say however that Skyfall exploits the same elements much better. Silva for instance is unambiguously the main villain of the movie, unlike Renard who, even though he is slowly introduced as a terrible adversary, ends up playing second strings, due to a lack of clear focus from Michael Apted. And there is no equivalent to Christmas Jones in SF.

    I would add a few more similarities: the starting point (the ransom money in TWINE, the list in SF) end up both secondary to the main plot, both Silva and Renard have a sort of death wish that makes them disregard their own life, both Silva and Elektra were prisoners, in both movies of course the MI6 gets attacked. Finally, in both movies we see the passage of one senior figure to another: we see the introduction of the future Q and in SF the future M. Although the tragic death of Llewellyn was obviously not expected, his age made them prepare the ground for a successor...
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited February 2014 Posts: 18,281
    I see a lot of similarities between TWINE and CR too, but that's a whole other story for another thread. It's probably controversial to say that, too.
  • DoubleOhhSevenDoubleOhhSeven
    Posts: 1,778
    There are defiantly similarities. I felt that Purvis and Wade still liked the concept but learned from their mistakes some 13 years prior. Skyfall takes what was good about TWINE and leaves what was bad. Such as Denise Richards, less melodrama, a tighter script, fresher dialogue, a better villain, etc.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited March 2014 Posts: 14,584
    Great points here from all- the similarities are astonishing.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Very good observations @thelivingroyale ,something that hadnt occured to me,so it was interesting to learn that.

    I'm also glad that Pervert & Waste have gone as well,freshen things up a bit.
  • Matt_HelmMatt_Helm
    edited February 2014 Posts: 908
    There is no denying of the truth in @thelivingroyale observations, but there is one all important and all defining (at least for a lover of espionage novels like me) difference. There is just about nothing that doesn't make sense in TWINEs storyline, with SF it is just the other way around. To me that's spells the difference between one of my favorite Bond flics (and the only one of Brosnans Bonds I really enjoy) and the script disaster as which I see SF ( for which I -almost-solely blame Mendes and Logan).
  • hildebrand_rarityhildebrand_rarity
    edited February 2014 Posts: 316
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I can't be the only one to notice the similarities between Purvis and Wade's first film and their last?

    TWINE was Brosnan's third Bond film, SF was Craig's third Bond film. In both films the PTS ends with Bond falling from a great height and being injured. In both films Bond also injures his shoulder in the PTS, dislocating it after falling from the balloon in TWINE and getting shot by Patrice in Skyfall.

    The plots are also similar. In both films Judi Dench is featured more than usual and it's about M's past coming back to haunt her, and in both films she sort of created the villains. In Skyfall she handed Silva over to the chinese causing him to turn into a psychopath and in TWINE she told King not to pay Elektra's ransom, causing her to become a psychopath. In both films the villains want to kill M because of this.

    The main difference here though is that Elektra was more ambitious than Silva. She also had the whole oil plot while Silva just wanted to kill M. Also, in TWINE, Bond managed to save M, while in Skyfall, she died for her "sins".

    Also, in both films, M doesn't trust Bond and this comes back to bite her on the arse. In Skyfall, she didn't trust Bond to take out Patrice on the train, she told Eve to fire and she ended up losing the list. In TWINE, she doesn't listen to Bond when he tells her his suspicions about Elektra so Elektra is able to kidnap her.

    Another similarity: both films feature a chase through an iconic part of London (the thames boat chase in TWINE, the tube sequence in SF). Also, in both films, the villain blows up MI6, causing them to relocate to a new secret location (the Scottish castle in TWINE, the underground base in Skyfall.

    While the villains aren't similar, there is one similarity. Both villains have girls working for them that are scared of them. The assassin is terrified of Renard, when Bond says he can protect her she says "not from him" and blows up the balloon. In Skyfall, Severine is equally terrified of Silva. When Bond says he knows all there is to know about Silva she says "not like this, not like him". Even the lines are similar, and both girls end up dead. There is one key difference though: the assassin didn't trust Bond to protect her from Renard. Severine trusted Bond to protect her from Silva and that turned out to be a bad decision as she ended up dead.

    And finally, both films feature Istanbul, London and Scotland as locations and both films refer to Bond's family (in TWINE we have the family motto and in Skyfall we have the bit in Scotland).

    I think that this shows that it was a good idea letting Purvis and Wade go. I appreciate what they've done for the series and they've written some of my favourites (TWINE, CR and SF) but I think that the similarities between these two films show that maybe they were running out of ideas.

    "It's like he's saying everything I'm thinking"
    I mentioned this on the cross reference thread, glad to see someone shares my thoughts (though I think this one of the reasons Skyfall is overrated--it's not original)
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    Posts: 5,767
    hildebrand_rarity wrote:
    "It's like he's saying everything I'm thinking"
    I mentioned this on the cross reference thread, glad to see someone shares my thoughts (though I think this one of the reasons Skyfall is overrated--it's not original)
    I´m amazed at those similarities. Either because I banished the Brosnan´s from my shelf a while ago, or because SF does a terrific job concealing those similarities. In the latter case, I would say that would be a reason to rate SF high, because it manages to hide its un-originality so well. My still not rating it high has other reasons.

  • JamesPageJamesPage Administrator, Moderator, Director
    Posts: 1,380
    Purvis & Wade talk about this subject in the new issue of MI6 Confidential magazine.

    PLUG!

    http://mi6confidential.com/issue_24.php
  • CraigisnotbondCraigisnotbond
    Posts: 99
    Getafix wrote:
    Brosnan made some of the worst films ever as Bond. not just the worst Bond movies but worst films full stop.

    You're the type of guy that prefers the "romance" between Silva and Bond in Skyfall.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    Craigisnotbond wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Brosnan made some of the worst films ever as Bond. not just the worst Bond movies but worst films full stop.

    You're the type of guy that prefers the "romance" between Silva and Bond in Skyfall.

    Why are you replying to a quote from 2012? Of all the posts to quote, you go for that one. So you can try to stir the pot? Comments like this whilst okay on some boards, are not appreciated. A simple line on SF has lead every non-Craig fan to take the stance that Craig's Bond has had a homosexual encounter. This is not the case, but arguing with people who are so blinded by their displeasure at Craig's casting is usually a futile option.

  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
    Posts: 1,394
    I thought TWINE was a terrific Bond film and Brosnans best.It had just the right balance of a good dramatic storyline with interesting characters, great action, hot babes, and camp humour.

    Skyfall was terrible because it took itself SO seriously but yet was so full of nonsense as to be laughable ( Craigs Bond should have been dead three times over by the time Adeles song kicks in )
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    AstonLotus wrote:
    Skyfall was terrible because it took itself SO seriously but yet was so full of nonsense as to be laughable
    SF was by no means 'terrible', it was just over-hyped. It's a good middling film.
  • LicencedToKilt69007LicencedToKilt69007 Belgium, Wallonia
    Posts: 523
    It's definitely very similar but not a remake in my eyes. @thelivingroyale long post sums up everything.
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