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I enjoy TND and feel that while some themes started in GE are abandoned the movie is entertaining. The Stealth ship becomes a shoot and blast adventure which isn't really what Bond is about. But overall I think the movie entertains and isn't too formulaic.
I'd say the Bond films that really seem to follow a template / formula established by GF would be YOLT, TSWLM, MR, OP, AVTAK, TND, TWINE, DAD. Maybe? This is a question I've never really asked myself, because in many ways the vast majority of Bond films are formulaic so it isn't something I think about often.
Yup.
I’d say TND is the only Brosnan film that actually tries to go for a classic formula that we got from DN-AVTAK. Ever since TLD the formula had been tweaked in different ways, with LTK being the most extreme at that point, which also kicked off the more personal angle that has been a part of every film since. Its still there with Bond having a past with Paris, but not as emphasized as other films after she’s bumped off.
TWINE also had a (predictable) but fun twist. TWINE has a MUCH better PTS, and some LEGIT tension in both the first scene Bond meets Renard and in the casino.
I don't think TND is anymore formulaic than most many of the films...but it sure is way worse than most of them.
I hate TND ALMOST as much as DAD. Well, okay. Maybe that is taking it too far.
TWINE commits the cardinal sin of having nothing stand out, no superlatives and worst of all just bores me with by-the-numbers action and Bond and the Mi6 staff come off badly.
People also seem to forget that Bond running around with a machine gun also goes back to GE; it didn't begin with TND.
Thanks for sharing this article @Pierce2Daniel . TND has always been one of my favourite Bond films, and sits proudly at number 5 in my rankings. I just find it hugely entertaining and definitely Brosnan's best as far as I'm concerned.
It goes back further than that. Dalton and Moore both carried and used machine guns at some point in their films. The Brosnan era just seems to be pasted with that criticism more regularly.
Correct....Lazenby was even the first Bond to use a Machine Gun.
Its not the machine guns. It's all the scenes where Bond is randomly spraying machine gun fire everywhere/haphazardly. I also think the Bond girls are the worst combo in the series and Price's dialogue is abysmal and embarrassing.
The second-half of tND and DD are the only two films/sections of films I want to skip completely during marathons.
I am legit surprised at home many people like this film. But that is what makes this place interesting and fun.
It’s second bottom on my rankings.
TND is also refreshing in being the one film between LTK and SP where the "this time it's personal" angle gets the least emphasis and doesn't slow down the ride. The short running time is likely why it seems action-packed.
I also love the Hamburg break-in, break-out as it's listed on the soundtrack. There is a great Bondian vibe in that scene. It's one of my favorite underrated scenes because it's Bond doing spy things, looking cool and being creative in his escape. I especially enjoy the remark about how much that satellite costs and there's Bond wrecking the thing. It's a nice callback to the Connery days where he'd randomly wreck things in his escape.
First, you say it is formulaic, but do not say what the formula is and how the film aligns. But instead, you simply critique the film
Secondly, you say “He's a misogynist after all“. I have thought a lot about his charge over the years, and I just don’t get it, and have come to the conclusion it is actually a lazy accusation thrown around by misandrists
Yes! I think TSWLM is the 'formula' personified.
She's the most underrated Bond girl of all time.
I love all of that. Great fun.
YOLT is much worse in my view. Example: Bond's first move in Japan is to meet Henderson. Then through all kinds of circumstances winds up in Osato's office and just happens to have a handy mini safecracker in his pocket to open up a safe (not to mention grabs just the right documents to offer clues). Just a film later he had to have a safecracker/copy machine of immense size that took forever to crack the code. I always thought it would've been amusing to reach into his pocket and pull out the rebreather or homer instead.
Later in the film, one morning he rows a boat to investigate a cave where villagers have died, which leads to hiking to the top of a volcano and, finding it's fake, Bond has convenient artificial volcano mountaineering suction cups on his person. He comes across imprisoned astronauts and has a convenient lock-obliterating explosive device.
Then he happens to have the mini missile cigarette to bail him out when he needs it, then later a throwing star. In fairness, we did see those introduced at the ninja training school.
When he set out to explore the cave, did he just anticipate he'd need all those items? That's a great cigarette case that it didn't leave the cigarettes soggy after that dive into the water. I've never smoked, so wouldn't know exactly.
So given that, do the TND gadgets really seem that out of place? Bond knew he was going to break into Carver's place, so it's not unreasonable he just may have had the devices needed, Q's always been good about getting what he needs on short notice.
I'll add the too convenient buzzsaw in the Rolex in LALD we didn't know about and the avalanche shelter inflatable thing in TWINE. So, are TND's all that bad?