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With the use of WHATTITW in the Matera track, has anyone mentioned the possibility that
Talk about cold feet lol :)
In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.
So what is the point of having it in?
Madeleine being the Tracy of the Craig timeline?
It being just a ridiculously beautiful piece of music?
How do you know? In the Craig era we jump from new Bond to very, very seasoned Bond. The Aston with the machine guns and ejector button could prove that he once fought Goldfinger and could have been married to Tracy. Just because he never mentioned her does not mean she could not be a part of this Bond's timeline. What if during the drive though Matera there is something that reminds him and us of Tracy?
If something that significant had happened to him between films there would be some sort of reference to it. Also, Madeleine and Tracy are so similar it'd be a little redundant to have both in one timeline. I guess it's just head canon but I've always just believed that Bond had numerous nondescript missions between QoS and Skyfall that had nothing to do with the first 20 films.
It is indeed - but has a direct reference to Bond and his wife Tracy - their relationship and ultimately her death. So using this rationale, you would be happy if the piece had say a direct reference to the Vesper theme? I was just being ridiculous - but the same argument applies. Its a very personal theme. Now if the Madeleine theme had been used, then it would be totally appropriate.
But what Eon has done with the inclusion of the DB-5 from Goldfinger, which is a different one than the one he won in Casino Royal, is solidly indicate that the Goldfinger mission DID occure, therefore, one can assume, OHMSS has occurred as well. Just because Bond never mentions Tracy in DAF don't mean it didn't happen.
So you prescribe to the "James Bond" is just a code name theory? End of conversation.
The Goldfinger DB5 was put into the film as fan service, not some indication that the Goldfinger mission occurred. We're supposed to believe that's the same DB5 from Casino Royale but Q has had a few "optional extras" installed.
Fukunaga says its the same as the CR one.
Good enough for me.
Hi, because Q gives JAMES BOND the DB-5 in Goldfinger.................not a random agent. The reality of the situation is that none of it really makes much sense when connecting all of the films together. There are dozens of ways to interpret how things connect or don't. I was just trying to find a way to justify WHATTITW being included in the new soundtrack.
Is it not left hand drive in CR
Mendes basically bunked the continuity to bring back the Goldfinger DB5. I think they’re just asking us to suspend disbelief when it comes to the car.
That’s presupposing that Goldfinger happened in the Craig continuity, though. Obviously you’re free to believe that as the continuity is incredibly loose as you note, but that goes both ways and someone thinking Craig’s Bond obtained that car (like, say…winning it in a poker game ;) ) through other means doesn’t mean they think James Bond is a code name. The Craig era has already established that other 00’s get gadget-y Aston Martin’s anyway, so in this timeline it could have been a random agent from the 60’s that got passed on to Bond.
With regards to me personally it doesn’t bother me that WHATTITW is used in the score, but I get why other people do. I like the idea of some of Barry’s other themes getting passed down to other films as long as they fit; and the potentially doomed romance between Bond and Madeline is a fitting one in my eyes. Maybe I’ll feel differently about it in context though.
No, that’s not what I was alluding. My point was that the 00 section had existed since WWII and there had been many 00 agents in the 20th century, before Bond became one himself. The DB5 may have been used by a 00 in the past which is why Q Branch had it in storage.
Still excited for this score though.
WHATTITW isn't a celebration. It wasn't in OHMSS. Bond cradling the love of his life as she dies in the last scene as it plays in the background says it all - it's a bitter sweet theme. It has absolutely no tie in to this movie.
I hope everyone realizes this conversation has been done with a bit of tongue in cheek. The bottom line is we all hope to get as much enjoyment out of NTTD as we possibly can, unless you happen to be a member of "CraigIsNotBond.com". Are those people still around?
Bonds dive mask changes colors several time in the same scene in Thunderball, I never take continuity all that seriously in Bond 😅
They can do all kinds of things. My DB-5 was and automatic and I had it changed over to a stick.
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