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The explaination is that White wanted to keep that for himself because Bond is his enemy. You don’t throw away such personal and painful stuff to someone you don’t even know. The same applies to the Madeleine “divorce” bit… she didn’t want to recall that painful day Safin destroyed her life, perhaps with another assassin…
I missed that (saw it 2 hours ago), where did that come up?
The idea of continuity bible is quite foreign to EON I guess but maybe now is the time rather than relying on P&W to remember their own, extensively rewritten work.
See also: Bond's relatively cordial relationship with Mr. White in Spectre, given that this is the man who extorted Vesper and drove her to her death.
I don't necessarily have a problem with Craig's Bond dying if it was done right. But I feel his death was done in a very cruel way. He's clearly a person who's had to deal with a huge amount of emotional turmoil from the death of Vesper, the death of M, and then spending five years believing he was betrayed by Madeleine.
So instead of giving him that second chance with Madeleine after their reconciliation, after he discovers he has a daughter, and with that peaceful life away from espionage (which he initially thought was going to get with Vesper) is just around the corner, they kill him off.
Both Blofeld and Safin wanted to destroy Bond's life with Madeleine in different ways, and they both succeeded. If Bond's most personal and important mission was to find happiness after Vesper's death, he was foiled by the villains of NTTD. It is an incredibly cruel end for the character and it can be a very downbeat ending for some fans, especially those who have gone on that emotional journey with the character since Casino Royale.
I think a small tweak to the film whereby everyone else believed Bond to be dead but he is then seen with Madeleine and his daughter would have changed my overall opinion of the movie considerably and ended the movie and Craig's tenure on a high note rather than a total downer.
Back in 2017, I started a thread where fans suggested DCs final scene. I don't think one fan suggested what we actually got. Everyone wanted something with more hope and optimism.
Good points.
I love the idea exactly because of this. Bond is cursed. He's an hero, but he's also an assassin. He kills people. He's an angel of death and death is his curse. No matter how hard he tries, there's no happy ending. Never will be. Like in the books.
Or that people who are gay actually exist mate. Nothing hip or modern about it.
I don't necessarily disagree with you but I think we differ perhaps on the desire to give Bond, our hero for 5 movies, a happy ending. This is one of the reasons the ending will be so divisive for fans.
Also why did Mr. White have an issue with Blofeld's killing of 'women and children', yet he seemed to be doing that in his early days from what we've learned from No Time To Die?
This is very much it - both of the film's opening sequences show that there is no possibility for a normal life for killers and to be honest Bond getting any kind of domestic bliss would have been an abject betrayal of Fleming's creation. Or indeed any kind of happy ending that isn't transient - it's why what happened to Tracy had to happen. This film just happens to invert the idea.
After Casino Royale I had so much hope for this era of Bond, it could have been so exciting and fantastic. Instead, Craig's Bond really is one who you wouldn't want to be and suffers so much throughout the films.
They even toyed us with the yellow rubber dinghy in this film.
You don't kill off Felix or Bond in my opinion and neither death had an emotional impact or added anything to the film's story. It played very much like a Brosnan Bond film and a few tweaks with Bond saving the day with the Navy at the end would have perhaps made for a very decent and re watchable film.
A lot of my audience stayed until the end thinking there would be a post credit scene and were surprised when there wasn't. When some saw 'James Bond Will Return' appear on the screen they said 'at least we'll find out how he got off of that bloody island'. I only wish. Talking to some people afterwards they didn't believe he actually died. That may be because there are only another literally 3 minutes after the death before the film ends.
I wonder about the other rumoured endings and report of the wedding scene which was filmed on a beach with M present.
Today, I am a sad James Bond fan.
Yeah but they could have had him kill the bad guy, save the world and kiss the girl. Bond doesn't have to die. Craig's Bond could have had a happy ending and no-one would be saying "this ending sucks, I wish he'd died!"
Lol
I can't see any moral or creative justification to kill off James Bond and then proclaim at the end of the film "James Bond will return."
Sorry, I don't get it. Maybe Eon have some genius masterplan and it will make sense come Bond 26. Then again maybe not.
EDIT: I didn’t mean to double post. Can a mod move this into the post above?
I agree with this. And even the ending will be forgiven in time by hard core fans, especially when the next actor is cast.
Everyone who has asked me if I liked the film I’ve told them I loved 99% of it. And that’s the truth. I didn’t like the final pay off but in time I will be much more forgiving until eventually it becomes immaterial.
Seeing it again on Wednesday with the wife. I know she will love it
I would argue that making Bond and Blofeld step brothers could be described as an abject betrayal of Fleming's creation. Bond isn't just any killer, he's been our hero for 5 movies. We've cheered him on, celebrated his successes and grieved his losses. As someone who's followed his journey, I didn't want that journey to end with his death when a more satisfying conclusion for that character was almost within reach.
Wow, this surely is a very polarizing ending.
Pretty much how I feel. Don't see the point in it when all is said and done. I'm still gutted.
Kinda grubby, perhaps?
Why is it immoral? That’s what I’m trying to understand. It’s just a fictional character.
If you treat Bond like a religion, what’s the point? Might as well just stick to the Fleming novels and call everything else heresy.
Two friends who are casual watchers have already told me they're confused at how this works for the future.
Iconic.
I feel it partly is, but in hindsight I feel it's also foreshadowing of