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Thanks. Thought it was probably in that scene.
How did you manage to watch it in your home cinema?
home town cinema*
Ah, I see 😉
But, I guess my big counter-point is that at least they went all the way with something. Even Nolan couldn't quite see fit to totally kill off Batman in TDKR and I feel like that conviction to make it so high stakes does take balls.
I also think this also really sets up everything nicely for a new actor, with a new cannon of characters to sit apart from DC's tenure. This time I don't see anyone making the move over, like Judi Dench. I also think there's so much to mine in terms of plotting. You could start with Bond's parent's death, his time in the navy, boarding school...
And simply the over stuffing of suffering and drama elements he has to endure. Heck, I'd make little effort to survive in the end as well:
Retirement is boring, the job is over demanding, my boss turned out to be a pr*ck, my probably dubious wife hid from me my child for 5 years, all of my friends are dead, people didn't seem to miss me much, there's actually a new and proficient 007, and it turns out the best psychologist (they changed her to a psychiatrist, btw) I could see to save me is the dubious wife/ex-girfriend... so...
But, again, I loved the first hour of this film sooooooo much.
Just had to reiterate that as well.
Re: the ending. To me, it couldn't end for CraigBond any other way. The circle is closed.
I guess you just hate that the film took risks and made big, bold choices @Univex. ;)
Glad I'm not alone in this. I'm nearly 50 and feel exactly the same. The film has stayed with me for days afterwards, and not in a good way. I just feel so disappointed now that I am finding it hard to look fondly at Craig's reign at all, as I feel he has been instrumental in pushing this vision of Bond, and Babs has indulged and allowed it to happen.
CR was the only film where Craig had no real clout, and looking back on his tenure now, it really shows. Its the only film that is more or less universally praised, and the last time it felt like it connected properly to the Bond world that Fleming created.
Ever since then the producers and Craig have pushed the envelope a bit further each time, straying further away from the formula, and Ian Fleming, to a kind of warped Fleming re-imagined world, where the emotional stakes get higher and higher with each movie. NTTD is Craig's DAD. They threw the kitchen sink at this one, like they did with Brozza's last outing, only replaced outlandish stunts and CGI with emotional angst and Last Jedi shocks galore.
I never came out of the cinema feeling sorry for Bond, but this has now happened with NTTD. Who the hell wants that from the screen hero they grew up with?
I read this comment out to my wife and son. They both thought I had written it!
That's what they'll say ;)
CR took risks and made big, bold choices, so did SF, and I love them. This isn't making big, bold choices, this is making too many choices, and cramming them into a forced narrative. They learned to relish the shock and the freedom that gave them, and went with it one more time, full force.
When I hear someone say they threw everything plus the kitchen sink in, I always remember two people:
1) MGW about DAD;
2) R. attenborough:
And we know how those 2 things ended up, don't we?
I have read a number of your posts here and I happen to entirely agree with you.
In 2018 I remember a speculation thread where I said the only logical conclusion was Bond would die, some disagreed then. The evolving discussion made clear to me that some people see Bond as one person played by six actors. I see Daniels Bond in its own separate universe it began with CR went through a journey and ended with NTTD.
His journey has no part in any other Bonds journey BUT the callbacks the foundation plot from YOLT, the heavy echoes of Majesties and even the The Spy Who Loved Me novel anchor it in the Bond Universe.
I would be very happy for Bond to end here. If it does not I am not seeing from my point of view how ANY of the actors can play with another Bond. I know Judy played with Pierce and Daniel but even she began again but for the ensemble family to work with a different Bond is/would be quite odd to me.
He came out loving the movie saying it was one of his favourites of Craig. He thought the three hours flew by. I've remarked this before but the ultimate subversion for me being a woman is that I'm glad I saw this with my dad. It isn't a father/son movie.... it felt like a father/daughter movie. It'll annoy so many people but I don't give a damn.
Good dads often do not get the chance to show their feelings but will do anything especially for their daughters and their families.
And that made me come out and want to hug my dad a little harder. And I'm OK with that.[/quote]"
Interesting at 66 I am from 1964 with a James Bond week my father took me to. I borrowed his books and read them.
I sat next to a couple for NTTD they were father/daughter and like me they never left their seats until the credits stopped. She was good with my hyperventilating.
Send an email to Eon Productions. Be polite not rude and express your view. Tell them why you feel killing off James Bond was a grave error of judgement. I sent an email.
They may or may not read your emails but no harm sending one. 😉
That's exactly it. It took the joy out of James Bond for me. This should be a time for me to celebrate this character. A new film ist out. Watching it 3-4 times, listening to the soundtrack, all these things that made it special to me, are lost.
I deeply love CR, but i cant't even think of watching it again in the foreseeable future. I never stood at this point up to now. They've ruined it for me completely.
At least i'm finding a quantum of solace in the fact, that there are others, who feel the same.
This is one of the strangest outcomes from those like us who did not like it. The fact that it has bizarrely affected the other Craig films because of it, and CR in particular. As it stands right now, the series for me ends with Dalton's LTK, because I was not a fan of the Brosnan era either. I cannot bring myself to re-watch any of Craig's films at the moment.
Well done Babs and co for completely destroying everything your father and Fleming built. You had briefly redeemed yourself with CR, but even that has been ruined now.
At least I have the 60's through to the 80's to look fondly back on, and the novels. Everything after 1989 has been mainly garbage - from P&W overcooked scripts, mainly trash songs (save CR and SF), ignoring everything Fleming wrote and dreaming up your own garbage instead, with ZX Spectrum CGI surfing and invisible cars, through to Brofeld, Bond being a daddy and getting killed off.
Bond as a character is no longer a live hero that all men want to be, and all women want to sleep with, but now a deceased one who we felt genuine pity for instead, in his final tragic moments on screen. Well done EON!
RIP Bond! :(
That's just pure ignorance on their part.
Maybe Bonds demise makes sense in the context of this film. The point is, once you've decided, where your story is headed, you will develop the script with this end point in mind. Everything that happens, has to strengthen the conclusion. And i really hate, that Broccoli/Wilson/Craig/Fukunaga thougt, this is the right ending for a Bond movie and did everything to make it plausible.
Exactly! They could very easily have changed the angle of the final explosion, so its left ambiguous to whether Bond really did die or not.
Either that, or gone with an adaptation of the just as tragic YOLT final chapter - Sparrows' Tears. They were going in this direction anyway, why not remain faithful to the author's original vision. It would have still worked, still would have given us that sense of loss, but not kill off the character completely, which was totally unnecessary, as was killing off Felix.
This was EON's Last Jedi, and Craig's DAD. Throw everything but the kitchen sink at it, with cheap shock thrills throughout, regardless of what it does to the franchise, its fanbase, or its legacy.
This was the only way to end it without causing such controversy and pissed off fans. It also would keep in line with Fleming, and would have set up the opening for the next actor brilliantly with TMWTGG.
For all EON make out that they are bold and adventurous, this would have taken real balls to have done, instead of the cheap gimmick they went for.
Look what Nolan did. Inception. Or TDKR. Like it or not, but this man has a lot to tell about his characters without sacrificing an cultural icon. I easily could have handled an ambigious ending. Bond is dead. But is he really? One last question mark to think and discuss about. Way better than leaving the cinema depressed and miserable.
Yes, this echoes my thoughts too. Him dying is the least of my problems with the film.
Absolutely. It is actually quite arrogant to assume people don't understand it.
I don't buy Bond and Madeline's love. Although her character was better written this time and Lea Seydoux had more to do I've felt no chemistry between the two of them for 2 films now.
In Spectre they had an antagonistic introduction, hardly a meet-cute, then a desperate shag on a train! Then they're in love. A love that is so strong that after 5 years apart and a brief meet up Bond gives his life up because he can't be with her (and child, that's fair enough I guess). I don't believe in it.
If he had to die it would have been more satisfying to do it to 'save the world', manually having to keep the blast doors open until the missiles hit.
One way out of the hokeyness of Blofeld escaping could have been him being released because he has influential members of the British government in his pocket, and M being powerless to stop it happening. Something like that. So that it comes out of what we learn about Quantum (am I right in thinking Quantum is a front for Spectre? - I haven't watched SP for a while).
Anyway, Blofeld rather than Safin would have linked back to the books in a far stronger way imo.
So they killed the character, James Bond. I ask, so what? It certainly breaks conventions of the franchise, but does it really betray the character Ian Fleming created? A character whom Daniel Craig made into a living breathing human being instead of a cypher (I am looking especially at you Pierce Brosnan)? In my opinion it does not. And to me, that is most important.
And when it comes to TMWTGG novel, that is the one Ian Fleming should have not written. YOLT ended perfectly with amnesiac Bond heading towards Vladivostok where he - as we readers would know - would face a certain death. Whenever I have my Fleming binge that is where I stop. It was a perfect ending to a man whose profession was death and who knew he could die whenever and therefore lived his life the fullest he could.
I wholeheartedly understand why someone was upset with the ending. But to me it was just perfect. I did cry, both of sadness and elation. James Bond is dead. Long live James Bond.
Whom, as we all know, will return.