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When he's stood there, in that moment he looks brave and badass. Brilliant acting from Daniel and I thought he looked great during the base sequence
The DC era is self contained so it has no impact on other Bond films, you can still watch them and enjoy them as its a alternate version of the character.
Even in the films from DN to DAD, the series has had different types of Bond films, if things were not changed up Bond films would not have lasted this long.
Is the DC era my favourite NO, but I think there are 3 good movies in it. NTTD made sense for DC's Bond as a finale based on everything that led up to it, the DC era was clearly an experiment which we all knew years ago.
Those that are concerned about the films moving forward, I expect Bond 26 to be very different to Bond 25.
Batman is completely another thing, plus what you says is partially true.
For exaple right now you have two different batmans at the same time, with Pattinson in one line and Affleck in another (not counting Gotham and others)
Plus
In Bond there always was a sense of continuity, even in hard reboots like Casino Royale.
To be rebooted is Bond himself, not necessarily the world he is in.
In casino royale you have new hard rebooted Bond, gaining his 00, but the same M, while different Tanne, Q and M will come.
In OHMSS you have a rebooted Bond that constantly refers to "the other fella", then the fella comes back, problems with Blofel continuity... a mess.
So, i don't see problems if the MI6 comes back, Bond continuity has always been "questionable", putting it mildly
Well... you know he is a fictional character...? Right...? [/quote]
Ok, I’ll ignore the tone and give my reply. Yes, I know it’s a fictional character. I like reading fiction. I like when when it’s a series of books about one main character. In some series of books I’ve read the main character has died at the end. If done in the correct way I’m fine with that. I don’t however, expect said character to then reappear in the author’s next novel as though nothing has happened.
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Did you feel the same watching Blofeld in SP? They killed him off in FYEO, remember?
That is kind of the ironic part about Craig's era being cut off from the rest of the films: The filmmakers, I think, have now made it abundantly clear that the last 5 films are their own seperate thing. But at the same time, they cover it in bucketloads of iconography and callbacks to the previous eras. I want to say "there is no connection between Craig and the other Bond actors", but there are connections all over the place. That is such a meta way of approaching franchise filmmaking that I don't blame anyone for being confused by it.
And it works in all directions. The DB5 reveal in Skyfall makes absolutely no sense at all. None. But it is a great moment and I look forward to it everytime. On the other hand you have stuff like the Blofeld reveal in Spectre which is solely there for the audience. The name doesn't mean a single thing to the characters in that scene and in that case it falls totally flat.
It really isn't all that easy to get your head around.
Yes, agreed. This is ridiculous - my late partner was 25 years older than I am and we got on like a house on fire. The relationship only ended because he died. My current partner is 12 years older. Sometimes it just pans out like that.
To say nothing of how he hasn't even watched the film and his entire history on the site thus far is repeating the same argument ad nauseum.
Is there a "risible fan fiction" thread? Could help keep this one a bit tidier.
It Will Always be like this.
First Blofeld reveal Will not have any influence on Bond but it Will on audience.
First DB5 same thing.
If they decide to bring back Silva It Will not be the same Silva of SkyFall, but a new One in this different arc.
Every actor Is in different arc from the others, even if there are cross references.
Those are for fans and generic audience to reconnect with something known in a new and unknown territory
I thought a lot of the humour in NTTD fell flat, I think the overall tone was all over the place. The only line I remember getting a laugh was M's ffs. Maybe just the audiences I saw it with I guess
Yes. I have no idea why people have such a strong need to overthink this.
I liked the comment about cats, and the smallpox prank, and 'I can see why you shot him,' and 'Oh shut up, Q' at Q's completely unconvincing attempt to be surprised at Bond's appearance. I was never a fan of the (IMO) rather lame puns in Bonds of yore and there were quite a lot of lines in this which amused me.
1) they have, since it is widely known It was Fleming intent too. But even if It wasn't, they have the right to do what they want
2) as a blonde Bond did. See where we are now.
3) i don't know how to reply. It's a complete nonsense
4) oh yes, because Lazenby referring to "the other fella" that should be himself, or Craig gaining his double 0 after Brosnan was on the field the movie before makes completely continuity sense. Right
5)same as 3. I see much more arrogance in believing, Just because you go to the cinema, to be the gate keeper of Bond
6) Meaningless? All Craig arc Is about death. He Is affected by Vesper death, M death, wants to avenge Felix death.
He comes to realize that he brings death with him. People around him dies, wheter he Is there or not. Safin killed MR White's wife even if he wasn't there.
So the only way to keep them safe from all the danger from his past Is to be away from them, to be no longer related, to be dead. And much more than this, he arrived to the conclusion that a life without his loved ones Is not worth living. In YOLT he has One last Mission, to avenge Tracy. Here he has completed his Mission: his family Is safe, he has Avenged all.
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Thank you, I'd forgotten a few if I'm honest.
Also thanks @matt_u I forgot about that one as well, which was probably my favourite
For sure. "Cuba was a disappointment. But we all cry on our birthdays" was a favorite of mine.
- James Bond will return,
- Fleming's Bond is not killed,
- Bond didn't die, played by Connery, ..., Brosnan,
- this will disunite the fans and many other viewers in the perception of the franchise.
For me the argument that the end fits Craig's era is shortsighted and egoistic. The death doesn't fit to Bond. Madeleine and Mathilde should be convinced about that only. Their universe should be separate from the Bond universe. But both should go on independently.
Bond played by Craig does not own Bond played by Connery, ..., Brosnan. It is not a separate universe either as there are references to the previous movies. Audiance should not be forcibly classified into some Bond's universe by real "killing" Bond. I want to be a fan of the entire franchise!
That's why Bond in NTTD should survive for Queen and Country in Bond26 in a way that we will no longer follow fates of Madeleine and Mathilde, because there is one James Bond.
As for the upcoming multiverse Batmans, we don't know how successful they will be, but we do know that Matt Reeves' The Batman will look and feel distinctly different from Snyder's version.
That's true in part, and only for the cinematic
For example in comics you often find all the batmobiles from the film in the batcave.
Plus also you have different ties between different arcs: the city for one, the villains as for Bond, but there they are Always the same. The same concept of Batmobile stays the same, even if the car itself changes.
There are much more ties between Batman's arcs than between Bond's, even with different styles.
PS. I should add that Martin Campbell stated recently that there were no plans when he made CR that the next movie would be a direct continuation of his movie. For all he knew, they could have made Craig's second Bond a complete standalone.
- James Bond will return, yes, and it always be, not depending from what happens on the screen
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- Fleming's Bond is not killed, it's only a coincidence, if Fleming wouldnt have died, he would have been
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- Bond didn't die, played by Connery, ..., Brosnan, and so? he wasn't blonde, he hadn't a child, he didn't swim in a pool in Shangai.. And there are countless things each of the Bonds have said and done and the others don't
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- this will disunite the fans and many other viewers in the perception of the franchise. So it was doing a Blonde Bond. Still, they were right
Also, there is not a single reference in Craig's movie to the other Bond's movies. Bond is not aware he has had a DB5 in the past when he was played by Connery, you are. Bond is not aware "we have all the time in the world" was said by Lazenby's Bond, you are. Bond is not aware the PPK is used by all the Bonds, you are.
Don't mix what you see and recognize on the screen with the world the charachters are living in
And with this we are back to an old question: why a lot of people complain about Bond being not Fleming's Bond while if there is one made like Fleming's is Craig's and the others have significant differences, such as this one?
I mean, Fleming's Blofeld trilogy was a three stories arc very well connected, while cinematics one isn't.
So, what you say is true on the cinematic side, not on the original intention of the author
Ok, I’ll ignore the tone and give my reply. Yes, I know it’s a fictional character. I like reading fiction. I like when when it’s a series of books about one main character. In some series of books I’ve read the main character has died at the end. If done in the correct way I’m fine with that. I don’t however, expect said character to then reappear in the author’s next novel as though nothing has happened.
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Did you feel the same watching Blofeld in SP? They killed him off in FYEO, remember? [/quote]
It’s a fair point and no I didn’t but Blofeld dying and Bond dying will have a different impact on most people.
There isn’t a right or wrong in any of the points either side makes. Some people are happy / excited about the film and what happened whilst others feel the complete opposite. I can’t see many changing their opinion in this forum.
After three days of trying to process this, still unable to see past the belief that this is an act of wanton vandalism. Bond the indestructible is one of life’s constants. A psychological safety net. You watch Bond movies secure in the knowledge that he will prevail. If you wanted tragedy you got tickets for Macbeth.
Now what…?
Whether it is a hard reboot or a soft reboot.
Whoever they cast
Whatever the time zone or universe
Wherever it is filmed
Whenever you watch the back catalogue
You will always KNOW…. ‘Yeah, but he dies in the end’. That cannot now be undone. They have killed THE most sacred of cows.
I sympathise with everyone who feels angry, exploited and betrayed. I envy those who can shrug it off.
didn't know the plastic surgery part, thanks for sharing!
I've been reading the chat this morning & agree that we can't undo what's been done, so move on, everyone here will have an opinion & because we're all ardent fans, as much as we debate it all we're doing is going round in circles.
I would like to clarify my position, as most are aware I didn't care for NTTD because I believe it's a mistake to kill of your protagonist unless it's the last time we see them in any form, even if you intend to continue with a reboot or whatever.
"James Bond Wiil Return" What in a match box? :D
So please EON just get a competent new writer with fresh ideas who can come up with a great original story for whatever happens next & maybe I'll forgive you.