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NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Critical Reaction and Box Office Performance

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  • bondsumbondsum
    edited October 2021 Posts: 3,333
    Shardlake wrote: »
    The UK is lapping this up, the spiritual home of Bond and its going down well in Europe, if it makes the money it needs to without the U.S, what is the big deal?
    The UK has always lapped up Bond, even OHMSS that didn't perform so well in the US was still the second biggest hit of the year in the UK upon its initial release. The same applies to much of Europe as well. The problem with excluding the US market is the huge potential in lost revenue. The US is a far bigger market and the cinema profits are cut differently in the domestic box office to those overseas. I believe the majority of money generated from US ticket sales goes mostly to the filmmakers in the first couple of weeks of a movie's release. Whereas in China, the country takes a 70% cut from all the tickets sold which is a hefty deduction that mostly benefits the cinemas and the host country, not the international filmmakers themselves. I'm not saying it wasn't worthwhile the studios trying to capitilize on the Chinese market, it's just not that big a deal compared to the profits made in the US domestic box office.

    Also, claiming that the Chinese market is the new Hollywood market like @Scaramanga1974 has done is rather old news. Especially now that President Xi Jinping is looking to control every aspect of the Chinese economy, culture and education, at the same time cracking down on foreign and individualistic influences from this year onwards. The likely outcome could mean far less American movies being shown in China by this time next year.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
    Posts: 2,851
    Interesting comments about NTTD’s box office performance. I can only add the following:

    While the screening that I attended yesterday afternoon (Saturday 10/9) appeared to be a near sell-out based on the availability of tickets on line, it didn’t seem full. In fact, it appeared to be only about half full. Part of that have been due to the Alamo Drafthouse’s rules about maintaining a “buffer” between parties: both seats on either side of me were empty, for example. In addition, the COVID-19 vaccine requirement (in New York City), may have deterred some attendees.

    And perhaps, its’ just my impression, but the crowd at my screening sat on its’ hands for much of the time. There were a few audible “wow” moments, but for the most part…. silence. That said, I enjoyed NTTD and plan to see it again. Perhaps I need to see it with the guys and girls of this discussion board 😊.

    The impact of the 163-run time on reducing scheduled screenings (in some places, but not at the Alamo ) and the movie’s length may have deterred some older folks (restroom break!!).

    As for the importance of the US market; while it is true that the US accounted for less than 25 percent of worldwide grosses for SP, it is still has outsized media importance. And often, more causal movie goers can be turned off/on by the perception of a film’s failure or success at the box office based on media accounts. With NTTD, time will tell, I guess. If the $55 million projection proves true, Monday’s media headlines will be VERY interesting.
  • Escalus5Escalus5
    edited October 2021 Posts: 628
    The way I see it, some markets go for these movies, some don't. That's it. I think LTK is one of the best Bonds, but I don't remember having a temper tantrum because GHOSTBUSTERS II made more money in the U.S.
  • RyanRyan Canada
    Posts: 692
    My Saturday screening was far more packed than Friday (in fact, that cinema as a whole was), but Saturday also marked Ontario's lifting of capacity restrictions so cinemas can once again operate at full capacity. I'd be curious what Canada's numbers in particular are in terms of contribution to the NA box office.
  • bondsumbondsum
    edited October 2021 Posts: 3,333
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    The way I see it, some markets go for these movies, some don't. That's it. I think LTK is one of the best Bonds, but I don't remember having a temper tantrum because GHOSTBUSTERS II made more money in the U.S.
    While I get your point about comparing box office numbers, there was no social media or fan forums when Ghostbusters 2 came out in 1989 so it would've been impossible to throw a temper tantrum. Though the big drop in revenue from its theatrical run compared with the original's $282.2 million did contribute to there being no sequel in the following years. Columbia Pictures even deemed it a financial and critical failure, the effect of which dissuaded Murray from participating in a third Ghostbusters film. So whether we like it or not, US box office receipts are important. It was the major reason why DAF and LALD were both set in the States, to bring the American market back on-board, and it worked!
  • Escalus5Escalus5
    Posts: 628
    bondsum wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    The way I see it, some markets go for these movies, some don't. That's it. I think LTK is one of the best Bonds, but I don't remember having a temper tantrum because GHOSTBUSTERS II made more money in the U.S.
    While I get your point about comparing box office numbers, there was no social media or fan forums when Ghostbusters 2 came out in 1989 so it would've been impossible to throw a temper tantrum. Though the big drop in revenue from its theatrical run compared with the original's $282.2 million did contribute to there being no sequel in the following years. Columbia Pictures even deemed it a financial and critical failure, the effect of which dissuaded Murray from participating in a third Ghostbusters film. So whether we like it or not, US box office receipts are important. It was the major reason why DAF and LALD were both set in the States, to bring the American market back on-board, and it worked!

    Oh, I agree!

    My post wasn't directed at you, but at certain... fans who get bent out of shape over the U.S. box office and imply that American audiences are stupid (or at least have no taste) because VENOM 2 is outperforming a Bond movie.
  • bondsumbondsum
    edited October 2021 Posts: 3,333
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    The way I see it, some markets go for these movies, some don't. That's it. I think LTK is one of the best Bonds, but I don't remember having a temper tantrum because GHOSTBUSTERS II made more money in the U.S.
    While I get your point about comparing box office numbers, there was no social media or fan forums when Ghostbusters 2 came out in 1989 so it would've been impossible to throw a temper tantrum. Though the big drop in revenue from its theatrical run compared with the original's $282.2 million did contribute to there being no sequel in the following years. Columbia Pictures even deemed it a financial and critical failure, the effect of which dissuaded Murray from participating in a third Ghostbusters film. So whether we like it or not, US box office receipts are important. It was the major reason why DAF and LALD were both set in the States, to bring the American market back on-board, and it worked!

    Oh, I agree!

    My post wasn't directed at you, but at certain... fans who get bent out of shape over the U.S. box office and imply that American audiences are stupid (or at least have no taste) because VENOM 2 is outperforming a Bond movie.
    Thanks @Escalus5. I get where you're coming from now. Yes, I don't agree with labelling Americans stupid just because they might prefer Venom over Bond. There's many factors to consider when comparing the two, such as the shorter runtime, comicbook appeal and the movie not being the end of the current series. There's more but I won't list them all.
  • RainyRainy Skyfall
    edited October 2021 Posts: 40
    Deadline is predicting $56 million for the weekend.
    https://deadline.com/2021/10/no-time-to-die-weekend-box-office-1234852700/

    International totals, which beat expectations I believe:
  • MrsAuralSectsMrsAuralSects
    Posts: 214
    I hope it has good 2nd weekend....in the US. Craig's first movie did.

    I won't complain if it goes to HBO Max in a few weeks....

  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    I desperately hope it's the inexplicable choice of CAN Thanksgiving/US Columbus day for opening weekend that caused this number. If there was ever evidence that they need to end this tradition of the international release of Bond being a week earlier, it's the widespread spoilers online + this disappointing domestic debut.
  • MalloryMallory
    Posts: 2,166
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    I desperately hope it's the inexplicable choice of CAN Thanksgiving/US Columbus day for opening weekend that caused this number. If there was ever evidence that they need to end this tradition of the international release of Bond being a week earlier, it's the widespread spoilers online + this disappointing domestic debut.

    I think they should’ve launched it same weekend as UK and Europe. Venom 2 didnt move there until a few weeks back, there was even talk of it being delayed until 2022 very recently.

    If they want the UK to have it first, then launch Thurs and the US on Fri. Easy peasy.

    The reason for the week delay was to allow a full marketing push in both the UK and US. Bond was everywhere in the US this week and it doesnt seem to have had a huge effect on the B.O figures.
  • dragonskydragonsky
    edited October 2021 Posts: 2,491
    I told you guys. I am not telling this as a "haha got ya!" type of message.

    This forum was waaay not realistic with the predictions.

    This movie has to be saved by the international box office.

    The numbers are not comparable to anything in the past cause of the pandemic.

    If you want to see if this movie is a success compare it to Shang-Chi, Fast 9, Venom, Spider-Man and whatever comes up in the next few months.

    That will tell you if the movie is doing alright or of it's a massive flop

    Here are some comparisons so far for US BO numbers opening weekend:

    NTTD: 56m usd

    Venom: 90m

    Shang-Chi:75m

    Black Widow: 80m

    Fast and Furious 9: 70m

    Quiet Place 2: 47m (this is the movie that restarted theatres this year after the boring summer)

    Free Guy: 28m (but had strong legs)

    Jungle Cruise: 35m

    Godzilla vs Kong: 31m

    Cruella: 21m

    Space Jam 2: 31m

    So, comparing it to movies form earlier in the year.... it's doing alright.

    Comparing it to the new, rejuvinated box-office................it's not good.

    Next week will be MASSIVE to see what to expect.

    Here's what to look for:

    50-55% drop from this weekend - expected


    45% drop - pretty good!!!


    40% and below - wow!

    55% -60% drop - not good.


    60% and above - terrible


    so yeah, expect the movie to make like 25m maybe next weekend.


    My predictions were right, it seems:

    dragonsky wrote: »



    NTTD realistically, considering everything would be:

    US: 150-175m
    non-US: 400-550m



    Expect 150-175m in the US BO. Maybe less if they think he movie sucks.

    We'll see more next week and we can judge it's legs in the rest of the world. I think that Shang-Chi's numbers right now are a great great comparable point for NTTD. A movie that is part of a big franchise (MCU) with a big fan base.


    Bond is definitely bigger than Shang-Chi so it really should beat ShangChi by...at least 100 m? 50m? idk, we'd see...

    But if somehow it ends close to it.... that's bad....really bad. I think it should be close to the expectations tho, right now Shang-Chi is at 390m probably wil end close to it, maybe 400m at most? idk.....


    It seems that the movie may not be a big success... 450 m ...idk if we can call that success when Fast9 has 750m


    Interesting times for sure. We'll be back next week with more speculation and armchair analysing :D

    It all depends on worldwide numbers. 550 m is not the worst in a pandemic era. 500? eeh..so-so . 450? That's a flop.

    I think it will be big in the rest of the world tho and it will be saved
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
    Posts: 3,566
    bondsum wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    The way I see it, some markets go for these movies, some don't. That's it. I think LTK is one of the best Bonds, but I don't remember having a temper tantrum because GHOSTBUSTERS II made more money in the U.S.
    While I get your point about comparing box office numbers, there was no social media or fan forums when Ghostbusters 2 came out in 1989 so it would've been impossible to throw a temper tantrum. Though the big drop in revenue from its theatrical run compared with the original's $282.2 million did contribute to there being no sequel in the following years. Columbia Pictures even deemed it a financial and critical failure, the effect of which dissuaded Murray from participating in a third Ghostbusters film. So whether we like it or not, US box office receipts are important. It was the major reason why DAF and LALD were both set in the States, to bring the American market back on-board, and it worked!

    That's funny, I thought both were set (largely, but not entirely) in America because that's they way Fleming wrote the novels.

  • Matt007Matt007
    edited October 2021 Posts: 1,314
    I wonder if the depressing nature of the story is putting people off. I certainly wanted a feel good punch the air bond after 18 months of hibernation
  • bondsumbondsum
    Posts: 3,333
    BeatlesSansEarmuffs wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    The way I see it, some markets go for these movies, some don't. That's it. I think LTK is one of the best Bonds, but I don't remember having a temper tantrum because GHOSTBUSTERS II made more money in the U.S.
    While I get your point about comparing box office numbers, there was no social media or fan forums when Ghostbusters 2 came out in 1989 so it would've been impossible to throw a temper tantrum. Though the big drop in revenue from its theatrical run compared with the original's $282.2 million did contribute to there being no sequel in the following years. Columbia Pictures even deemed it a financial and critical failure, the effect of which dissuaded Murray from participating in a third Ghostbusters film. So whether we like it or not, US box office receipts are important. It was the major reason why DAF and LALD were both set in the States, to bring the American market back on-board, and it worked!

    That's funny, I thought both were set (largely, but not entirely) in America because that's they way Fleming wrote the novels.
    No, United Artists wanted DAF set in America, even with their orginal Goldfinger's brother story that had nothing to do with Fleming's novel. David Picker even wanted an American in the lead role, if you remember rightly.
  • Matt007Matt007
    Posts: 1,314
    Predicted just a 28 % drop second weekend in the uk
  • dragonskydragonsky
    Posts: 2,491
    I hope they don't misjudge this as "hey, they want a new totally different take on Bond! Next bond will be a black female infant! A cartoon movie for the whole family! This is not your father's Bond! This is a new, cartoon Bond with an animated black girl baby! Catch the adventures of the new Bond just in cinemas! Because we know that you are tired of old movies"

    The whole marketing was that for this Bond and that's the reason it failed

    "oh, we think the old Bond was kinda terrible, you know? It's time for a new 007, you know? It's time to kill the old tropes. Bond is not a murderer that likes jokes, sex and cars. He's as human with emotions and he's a terrible human being. And he has a brother and a wife and a stepfather too. Mellissa McCarthy as the next Bond? Heh, never say never! It's time to look forward!"

    Like imagine if the Batman director goes out and says "Yeah, Batman is a terrible character really. He's out of touch and there's no place for Batman in 2021. That's why we updated him. He'll wear a pink suit. Also Bats? Eeeh... he will be dressed like a pig. Our brand of BATman can exist even if BATMAN is not dressed like a BAT. Just like the "James Bond 007" brand can exist when there's someone that's not James Bond as 007. CGI Barbra Walters as the next Batman? Never say never! Batman is a codename technically?"

    I know studios are out of touch with what people want, and are so self-indulgent and overezealous with what they think is normal or right, but surely Broccolli will realize the mistake they've done with NTTD...right?

    Yeah, I can't be sure anymore.

    Maybe the franchise is dead, and we will play with its corpse for a while.

    "Bond Junior Jr" a new animated show on Amazon! "Double Oh" - a new spin-off TV show on Amazon! "0069 - the porn parody" only on Amazon! "Jane Bond" - the alternative universe James Bond movie only on Amazon! "Bond" - the gritty retelling of the books only on Amazon! "Catch Ben Stiller as James Bond in the new comedy reimagining of James Bond!", "Idris Elba and Beyonce as James and Bond in the new psychological drama that ponders - what if James Bond had a split personality? Only on Amazon, this fall!

    I mean if the people in charge of the franchise don't care for the character... why should anyone else.

  • Matt007Matt007
    edited October 2021 Posts: 1,314
    The world is changing. I would think most people moaning are white men over 40.

    There’s probably a reason the children of the 60s didn’t care so much for Flash Gordon and buck Rogers of the 1930s. It’s the same now, but we are the old farts.

    To secure the long term continuation of the series they need to be intelligent and change with out sacrificing the character.

    Ultimately though if your the type of person to go looking for morale lessons in a film about an assassin and then complain when you don’t find them, you need to have a word with yourself anyway.
  • KanangaKananga
    Posts: 367
    Box Office Mojo have estimated $56,007,372.
  • RyanRyan Canada
    Posts: 692
    It will be interesting to see the legs it will (or won't) have. While it is no doubt a polarizing film among the fandom, the general consensus has been positive and internationally it has been doing just fine despite the pandemic climate. It will never be Fast or Marvel, but then it never really was.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    I really don't care if it does not match box office for superhero or horror franchise movies. Bond is different and that's fine. I think U.S. box office should be adequate and the rest of the world will steam ahead for quite some time with NTTD. Just my thoughts upon waking up today.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    Posts: 428
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I had one at IMAX Wednesday and a regular theater on Friday.

    There was an unfortunate disruption at the IMAX screening during the pre-titles with a person wearing a gas mask complaining about reserved seating. Ushers took awhile to escort him out, but thankfully action kicked in to cloud his complaining. By the time the titles kicked in the masked man was gone.

    "Hey you, your in my seat!"
    James-Bond-No-Time-To-Die-trailer-2199198.jpg?r=1575476328926

  • JimjambondJimjambond
    Posts: 328
    I think the Bond movies really need to embrace what made them so popular to begin with. Stand alone adventures, a great actor in the role who can balance seriousness, stoicism and levity without being corny and goofy. Glamorous locations, gritty fight scenes, inventive action setpieces, sexy women, less screen time for the MI6 home crew... and being bold enough to not pander to the fickle thoughts of fake virtu-signalling SJWs. Lastly, use more Fleming-inspired material without cooking up the execution.
  • manovermanover uk
    Posts: 170
    An ok start...lets hope it has legs..and get to at least a minimum of 150 million at the US boxoffice. Ideally 180 million plus..but we will see.
  • JimjambondJimjambond
    Posts: 328
    Still, opening significantly less than other recent blockbusters, especially the craptastic Venom movie kind of stings a bit.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Again, I just don't see how comparing a Bond motive to a fantasy superhero or horror franchise is a good idea. Just such different film genres.
  • JimjambondJimjambond
    Posts: 328
    4EverBonded wrote: »
    Again, I just don't see how comparing a Bond motive to a fantasy superhero or horror franchise is a good idea. Just such different film genres.

    Well, yes and no. These are still action movies with broad appeal. Comparisons to a karge extent will obviously be made. It's not like we're comparing an action movie with a romcom here.
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
    Posts: 736
    Just got back from 2nd viewing. Loved it as much second time. NTTD has more heart and better acting than any film I've seen in long time. At the minute in my top 6 Bonds. As far as US takings are concerned, " do I look like I give a damn?" in the words of DC.. The film will do just fine internationally.
  • The_ReaperThe_Reaper
    Posts: 1,092
    Opening after Venom hurt it at the US BO. Initial numbers don't look great but not terrible. Venom is not a good movie but is at least entertaining and trim at only 90 minutes. NTTD is way too long to make steady money, as theaters will start taking away showings as time goes along without big numbers to justify its place in line.

    With the competition coming up I doubt it will reach much more than 120 domestically. Will it hit 500 elsewhere? Maybe. A grand total of around 600 seems possible but not not likely.
  • Escalus5Escalus5
    Posts: 628
    It’s insanely overlong for a Bond film.
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