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NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Critical Reaction and Box Office Performance

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  • BlondeBondBlondeBond
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    MrArlingtonBeach wrote: »
    ProfJoeButcher wrote: »
    Scaramanga1974 wrote: »
    ProfJoeButcher wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    One of the panelists on the James Bond & Friends podcast went on and on about Bond's "So there we were..." monologue to Blofeld and how it was Craig's Moore moment, but the scene is so badly written even people who liked the film are confused by it, and I'm not even convinced Craig knew what he was doing in it.

    What in the world was confusing about that scene?

    Exactly. And it was skillfully played by Mr Craig.

    Indeed, I love it. The way he goads Blofeld is brutal. Describing the failure in detail and saying it's like "everything that is Ernst Stavro Blofeld" with sarcastic praise. Blofeld clearly knows what Bond is doing.

    As for finding it odd that Bond would lose his cool with a guy who just tried to kill him and ruined the last five years of his life, I guess I just don't see the problem.

    Since Blofeld is the "author of all his pain", it's more like the last 15 years. I was shocked he didn't try to choke him as soon as Madeline left the room.

    Yeah, I agree. This scene worked for me. Especially since at the end of Spectre, Bond made the decision after everything not to kill Blofeld because he wanted to walk away from that life and be with Madeleine. After finding out what Blofeld did, it makes sense that he would finally snap. Craig and Waltz were both brilliant in this scene.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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  • Escalus5Escalus5
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    Sorry, guys. I'm not convinced that Bond, in that particular situation, would lose his sh*t and try to strangle a prisoner, especially in front of his MI6 colleagues.

    Isn't this the same guy who had the chance to kill Blofeld in the last movie and instead threw his weapon away and walked off?
  • Escalus5Escalus5
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    BeatlesSansEarmuffs wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »

    And "Die, Blofeld, die!!" as Calvin Dyson said, is just cheesy, whether or not it's Fleming.

    Ah, I see. So Fleming is no longer the ultimate source of what is or is not appropriate for Bond. Now Dyson is the ultimate source. Nice to know, thanks.

    Hey, no problem. Thanks for reading my post and intelligently responding to all of my points.
  • MrArlingtonBeachMrArlingtonBeach
    edited October 2021 Posts: 110
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    Sorry, guys. I'm not convinced that Bond, in that particular situation, would lose his sh*t and try to strangle a prisoner, especially in front of his MI6 colleagues.

    Isn't this the same guy who had the chance to kill Blofeld in the last movie and instead threw his weapon away and walked off?

    At the end of Spectre, Bond assumed Blofeld would be in jail and would no longer be a threat, so no need to kill him. He was choosing to leave MI6 and the life of an assassin to live a "normal" life with Madeline. However, in NTTD, he finds out Blofeld is still able to mess with him even when he's in jail, causing Bond to give up on a life outside the service with the woman he loves. I can understand why he'd lose it a bit.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2021 Posts: 12,480
    It doesn't matter. There will be scenes we interpret differently. Overall, it's a great Bond movie and Craig's acting is superb in NTTD; the best of his all his films, in my opinion. Certainly up there with Casino Royale. And sure, there will never be a full agreement on this film or his era. That's fine. It is no mild, by the numbers era from Mr. Craig. He's not a one note actor by any means, and I appreciate that.
  • 9IW9IW
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    Thought the movie was great. Thought Craig was terrific. But this scene...it was fine, it was okay. It was good, in fact. But we are not talking about Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs here. I personally liked and laughed at "Die, Blofeld, die" because I am a huge fan of the books. But surely everyone understands that non-Bondophiles really rolled their eyes at that line. The shout out was for us and glad we got it, but as a movie line, cheesy is being complimentary.
  • jobojobo
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    bondsum wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    It's interesting where we are with the whole series. DC is being widely praised for his acting ability both over the arc and especially for NTTD and yet, at the same time, some fans looking towards casting someone who, to be fair, struggles in this area.
    Was Brosnan ever considered the embodiment of a powerhouse performer though? Sure, he earned some plaudits after GE in various roles, but he was never considered anything more than just a competent actor before he took on the role. For the record, I don't think it will be Cavill. Whenever I've mentioned his name, it's been in reference to how a lot of outsiders from our MI6 community see which direction this series should go in, not so much how those within it see it. I also understand the argument that now they've cast a "proper" trained actor in the role of Bond, they can no longer go back to a lacking-in-credentials type actor. I don't personally agree with that, but I do understand that side of the argument.


    Wasn't Dalton "proper" trailer too?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I think the general public thought Brosnan was a good actor, yes.
    But level up with Daniel Craig is noticeable to all, especially as the tone and script changed. Pierce wanted heavy weight material. But Daniel is the best, most realistic actor we have had in the role (along with Dalton and Connery), in my opinion.

    As for "properly trained" ... I recall Sean saying "Of course I have a method. I am a properly trained actor." I think said with a barely controlled snarl, not his charming smile (I forget where I read that).

    So in Bond films, we have been given:

    Properly Trained Actors:
    Connery
    Moore
    Dalton
    Brosnan
    Craig

    Leaving only one for the category of
    Not Properly Trained Actor:
    Lazenby
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2021 Posts: 12,480
    I cannot tell you how much I appreciate Casino Royale and the producers' decision to not only go this route, a far more serious and realistic look at Bond, but also for them hiring Daniel Craig. It totally revitalized the franchise. It gives us a unique set in tone and perspective. And it now opens up wide what the next one can do. I do think, as others have said, that the next Bond needs to be a high caliber actor who can do serious scenes realistically, but who has the range to do lighter material AND we really need someone with natural charisma on screen. I don't want a revert to the Moore era in full. But different tone is due and I look forward to 2022, to see who is emerging as possible Bonds. I haven't seen anybody yet to get excited about.
  • GeneralGogolGeneralGogol
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    No Time to Die is beginning to figure in 2022 Oscar contender projections for categories like Original Song and Production Design. Anyone think it has a realistic chance to be nominated in any other categories or awards? I think there's a decent chance of a BAFTA nod for Craig and Oscar nominations in the Sound categories. Less chances for Score and Costume Design to be recognized given the competition, but who knows?
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    Best Picture would be a stretch, but I could see Daniel getting a Best Actor nod.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I hope Daniel is nominated for BAFTA, SAG, Golden Globe and Academy Award (that being the long shot). I think good chance editing, sound, and cinematography may be nominated for major awards. Possibly Billie's song nominated on strength of its popularity and it does fit the movie. Unsure, as music is where I am most out of touch with the general movie-going audience.
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    NTTD was defo made with alot of love for fans of Fleming's Bond which DC embodied so well. Selfishly speaking I know, but I personally dont care that the film didn't strike a chord with the youth market in the States. They can have their Mission "very much possible" and " Quick and the Angry" franchises etc. I prefer something with a bit of heart and character.
  • MrsAuralSectsMrsAuralSects
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    GeneralGogol wrote: »
    No Time to Die is beginning to figure in 2022 Oscar contender projections for categories like Original Song and Production Design. Anyone think it has a realistic chance to be nominated in any other categories or awards? I think there's a decent chance of a BAFTA nod for Craig and Oscar nominations in the Sound categories. Less chances for Score and Costume Design to be recognized given the competition, but who knows?

    If it does get nominations, and picks up a few as well, a re-release may be in the cards too. Yes I am whoring NTTD to get an extra $100m damnit....
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Very unlikely, the film just isn’t a critical darling in the same way SF was and even that couldn’t manage best director or picture
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    If a Bond actor was ever going to a Best Actor nod, I think Craig would have the best chance especially while he's currently riding this little wave of hype and respect around this being his final Bond film. Walk of fame, lots of good press towards him, generally good buzz towards his performance itself, etc...

    That said, I say we have zero chance of it happening. Probably the title song and a few technical nods at best.
  • fadetoblack7fadetoblack7 Chicago IL
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    Ryan wrote: »
    If a Bond actor was ever going to a Best Actor nod, I think Craig would have the best chance especially while he's currently riding this little wave of hype and respect around this being his final Bond film. Walk of fame, lots of good press towards him, generally good buzz towards his performance itself, etc...

    That said, I say we have zero chance of it happening. Probably the title song and a few technical nods at best.
    I think Linus has a solid chance at a nom!
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Saw this for the second time today and although the turnout was slightly larger (maybe 10 people total rather than the 7 or 8 of last week) I got the sense they just weren't into it.

    There was a couple sitting in the row in front of me and the guy got up during the gunbarrel dots (which REALLY pissed me off as it blocked my sacred gunbarrel view).
    Another couple outright left altogether during the Bond/Safin monologue scene.

    During the end credits I was the only audience member who stayed for the JAMES BOND WILL RETURN credit. It looked like there was a guy waiting for it, but got impatient and left. The theatre staff cleaning crew seemed to be making an effort to distract us and get us out as the credits rolled. FFS! I 'm enjoying Louis Armstrong! Show some respect!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    One woman wept as her partner left with her shaking his head.
    I think time will tell how popular this film becomes in Bond cinematic history.


  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Some critics definitely like this movie. I'm still not concerned overall.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    The theatre staff cleaning crew seemed to be making an effort to distract us and get us out as the credits rolled. FFS! I 'm enjoying Louis Armstrong! Show some respect!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    One woman wept as her partner left with her shaking his head.
    Damn cleaning staff!
  • Jan1985Jan1985
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    Minion wrote: »
    Best Picture would be a stretch, but I could see Daniel getting a Best Actor nod.

    He's not on any Oscar predictions list.
    There are at least 25 other performances, that they will pick five from to nominate.
    NTTD is no Oscar stuff.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
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    Scaramanga1974 wrote: »
    NTTD was defo made with alot of love for fans of Fleming's Bond which DC embodied so well. Selfishly speaking I know, but I personally dont care that the film didn't strike a chord with the youth market in the States. They can have their Mission "very much possible" and " Quick and the Angry" franchises etc. I prefer something with a bit of heart and character.

    I'm definitely not the youth market, and I'm more a Fleming fan the the cinematic version, and I hated the film. I cannot see this love for the Fleming fans in NTTD. All I see is disrespect for the original material. Had NTTD ended like YOLT, then I would have loved the movie probably more than you did.
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    Give me a great Bond film ie NTTD anytime rather than a silly awards ceremony. In todays climate does anyone really care about the Oscars anymore apart from the rich elite at the top end of the industry who live and operate in a bubble?
  • manovermanover uk
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    BOND has picked up another 5 million in US boxoffice on Tuesday...hopefully continue strong through the coming weekend.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Hopefully it will hit the $100 million mark by Sunday.
  • mepal1mepal1
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    Hi.........first time post here, after a few years. Regarding the BO for NTTD. Well in general, the BO for the film has been very good, and has followed the usual pattern around the world, for what BO is likely expected for the film, and considering we are still in a pandemic era, the film has been notching grosses close to or matching the previous 2 Bond films. Sadly though one market has so far been down i.e. North America. The opening gross was ok, but nothing that special but i'd imagine that NTTD will have legs in that market, due to good word of mouth, and that older adults will eventually leave their homes for the theatres to go see the film.......but Bond is not an American cultural icon, so i can see in a way why things are the way they are there. Strange though how this doesn't affect other countries the same way it affects North America. I mean Bond is massive in the UK naturally, but is also big in Europe, particularly the mid to northern countries. Having seen the film myself i thought it was very good, and couldn't see what these woke idiots are going on about......anyway its their loss if they don't see the film. Back to the BO, i think Bond will do very well in China, i believe Spectre did $83 mil, and that was from a film they didn't particularly like. The only problem with the Chinese BO is that a smaller percentage of the films BO, some 25% only goes back to the studio, whereas in other countries its around 40-50%. Regarding the final figure it looks like NTTD will probably reach a gross close enough to cancel out the budget and marketing costs.......but if it doesn't, then one thing everyone has forgotten about is the after home market. For reference SF which was very successful had Bluray and DVD sales of over $100 mil in North America alone.........so NTTD should be ok, it may make a tiny profit, but all this should ensure the franchise continues.
  • mepal1mepal1
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    Just one other point i agree with members here, that by the end of the coming weekend, NTTD would of crossed over $100 mil in North America, plus in the UK at the same time i'd imagine the film would of grossed somewhere around the $95 mil mark, and in Germany reached $50 mil.
  • bondsumbondsum
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    jobo wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    It's interesting where we are with the whole series. DC is being widely praised for his acting ability both over the arc and especially for NTTD and yet, at the same time, some fans looking towards casting someone who, to be fair, struggles in this area.
    Was Brosnan ever considered the embodiment of a powerhouse performer though? Sure, he earned some plaudits after GE in various roles, but he was never considered anything more than just a competent actor before he took on the role. For the record, I don't think it will be Cavill. Whenever I've mentioned his name, it's been in reference to how a lot of outsiders from our MI6 community see which direction this series should go in, not so much how those within it see it. I also understand the argument that now they've cast a "proper" trained actor in the role of Bond, they can no longer go back to a lacking-in-credentials type actor. I don't personally agree with that, but I do understand that side of the argument.


    Wasn't Dalton "proper" trailer too?
    He was @jobo, but he also didn't resonate with American audiences at the time. Some believed he was too much of thespian, while others thought he simply wasn't as much fun as Moore or Connery.
  • mepal1mepal1
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    Wasn't Dalton "proper" trailer too?[/quote]
    He was @jobo, but he also didn't resonate with American audiences at the time. Some believed he was too much of thespian, while others thought he simply wasn't as much fun as Moore or Connery.[/quote]

    Regarding Dalton, he just didn't click with American audiences.....i think they thought him too dour, in an era where Americans flocked to buddy-buddy films like Lethal Weapon.

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