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...just to be killed by a giant squid.
CGI has reached a point where it could be done incredibly realistically and with all the excitement and terror of the scene in the novel.
I hope it's in the next Bond film. A Bond film set in a tropical setting ala Dr. No or Thunderball would be just what the doctor ordered.
Lol. NTTD would shoot up several places in my rankings if this was how it had really ended.
No, I wouldn't really want that either, but much prefer it to Bond standing there and getting blown up.
I would have preferred they had the balls to stick to the novel. Bond gets amnesia and doesn't know who he is anymore, before setting off sailing to Russia. Doesn't know he has a child, and doesn't know who Madeline is. That would have been just as tragic, probably even a more downbeat sad ending that what we got instead.
You could still cut to Madeline and the daughter in the Aston as the final shot.
:)) I like it!
So do I too, but it seems to be the one thing the Fleming naysayers jump on, so I'm trying to appease them in some way... ;)
I know, but I have to try and reach some compromise with the Fleming haters.... ;)
Ok then, I want a massive giant squid in the next one, with Bond having strange dreams, eating scrambled eggs every 30 minutes, scenes with Bond taking cold showers, and Bond taking a drug before going on a mission.
Better?
(I would actually love this, BTW...) ;)
You just gave me goosebumps. ;)
Ok, I’m sold.
According to Fukunaga, there were actual discussions concerning treating the end of Spectre, from Blofeld's head-drilling onward, as but a dream. You could take Fukunaga up on that and treat the end of SP and everything that happens in NTTD as merely a dream. Then Craig's tenure ends with him getting his head drilled.
Is there really a cabal of people here who hate Ian Fleming's novels?
Okay, Some Kind of Hero, you have my creative wheels spinning. Keep in mind, I’m more of a DC Bond fan than I am a Bond fan overall, or of the franchise. I don’t care for Connery (too smarmy), Moore (slapstick), Dalton (great, enjoyed his 2, Brosnan (boorish). But, I am a hardcore DanielCraig Bond fan. I’ve seen Casino Royale 218 times. So, what I am considering is to end Craig’s Bond for myself at Skyfall. That is the perfect ending for Craig’s Bond imo. “With pleasure M. With pleasure.” If I go this route, I wouldn’t watch Spectre again. I never plan on watching NTTD again. The more I think about it, the more I detest it. Out of mind, out of existence. I do have to think I’m this though...
Note: I do love the Fleming novels overall. And some of the other books as well.
Agreed Birdleson. What do you think of my idea to end the Craig series (for myself) at Skyfall? The DC trilogy. NTTDhas certainly had an affect on how I view the entire Craig arc. For the worse, I’m afraid. I never looked more forward to a movie, and I was never more disappointed and flattened by one. Amazing how irony can bite you.
Thanks! For some reason, I feel a lot better now. I really do. Goodbye Spectre, goodbye NTTD. I’ll keep them on my shelf, but I’m done with that continuity. I prefer to see Bond and M at the end of Skyfall, preparing to go on his missions, and all is well. Spectre, and the more I think about it, that movie is just a mess. Blofeld, Madeline, Spectre, Cuckoo, whew. And that pts scene with the Coptor was so good until the corny music when it went upside down. Totally took me out of the moment. I just could not stand the Blofeld in DC’s arc. Bond throws away his gun and walks off...That never worked for me. And NTTD, I won’t even go there anymore. Rant over. I feel much better!
Well he didn't, because "He's not even here, it's a hologram!".
Maybe 007 dying is a holo-projection. After all, "this installation is from the fifties" a time when not only Bond was created (wink from the writers) but also Laser Holography started to shape. Maybe the installation as some kind of laser projection he uses.
Maybe Bond choose to make it appear he dies because he knows he can't see Madeleine and the child again, so he "disappear".
After all, the last shot is highly suspicious. To me, it looked like a Hologram and the explosions seemed to wade through him like he was made of light.
I certainly hope not, but I'm doing my best to try and weed them out. Thankfully I know you are not one. You've convinced me you are a fan (despite your hatred of giant squid)... ;)
I remember seeing that scene and being really pleased that it appeared the 'reboot' idea had finished, and there was to be no more personal issues and 'going rogue' in the future. They'd told the story of how Bond came to be Bond, and everything was in its place to send him off on proper missions.
I couldn't have been more wrong, could I? Look what a mess we've ended up with. Retired dad Bond, killing off Felix and blowing Bond up.
Gee, thanks for that!
Navy missiles land on top of a man and atomize the entire island; there is always a chance you survive that... 🙄 Just keep blinding yourself from the obvious.
I like the squid! I'm just saying that it's one of many Fleming ideas that a lot of people wouldn't accept if it weren't Fleming, or if they didn't know it was Fleming.
And I'll say this: Ian Fleming would not have been thrilled about CR06. His Bond gives no hint of ever being the "gratuitously murder a guy at an embassy and then break into your boss's house" type, nor as hyperaggressive nor as heartbroken over Vesper. If Fleming got pissed off over Honey Ryder not being left to an army of crabs, he probably wouldn't like seeing "the bitch is dead" being turned into a bit of bravado from a very, very sad James Bond.
I think this "blunt instrument" line has been taken out of context. James Bond is a blunt instrument of the state in that he is not a diplomat, but a licensed killer. It is not a reference to any aspect of his character or demeanor. Roger Moore was as much a blunt instrument as any of the others. It's the role, not the man.
But I do like reading people pointing out that Fleming's Bond enjoyed his life and actually made a point of doing so. On dark days he might think about his likely early death, but it wasn't a defining characteristic. Scrambled eggs was probably more central to who he was. :))
There’s something about seeing him die like that I’m uncomfortable with. It’s just like rogue one, but I care about the character. It’s too gratuitous.
Before release I always thought he would kinda sacrifice to save the day but the movie would’ve ended with a hint of him surviving - like showing Swann arriving in Matera and seeing his DB5 in front of their hotel - but now I’m happy they didn’t chose that route.
His last moments are so well done. I just love how Bond is handled like a true hero, the ultimate hero. He not only saves the whole world from oblivion, a first time for Craig’s incarnation, but he also accepts death peacefully in order to save his family.
Killing off Bond is a big deal. A very big deal, and they found the only way I can possibly imagine to make it 100% work. They came up not only with the perfect story, but with the perfect story arc to pull this off.
Agree with all of this. Loved that line too. Shades of Lazenby's "it's alright, it's quite alright really" as he holds his dead wife.
For clarity, having worries about what direction B26 will go in, is not negativity.
I thought it was excellent. It struck an almost impossible balance of delivering old school thrills whilst packing an emotional punch. Still think the reimagining of Blofeld is the most egregious decision of this era, and I found his scene a bit of a damp squib, but otherwise it felt like all departments brought their A game . Whether you bought the ending or didn’t I refuse to believe anyone left the film bored or ambivalent. So they did their job.
I just don’t think there’s anything to worry about yet, quite literally. The umbilical cord has been cut on the last 15 years. We have the cleanest of clean slates.
That’s how i came to terms with the awful Star Wars sequel trilogy.It’s not canon to me.The Skywalker saga ended with Return Of The Jedi.