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And not even intelligent or informed speculation.
That's more than the cumumative figure of the 4th week-end for QOS, CR, DAD, TWINE, TND, that's a bit more than GE, and since then only SP and SF are above it, and well, there was no pandemic then !
VERY BAD news from China, on the other hand. Pre-sales are abysmal so there's no way NTTD is gonna make $50 million there. In China without a strong marketing there's no way to make good money, and NTTD is clearly not putting so much efforts like SP did.
So most likely NTTD won't be able to outgroos F9 globally.
Again, I've stated this film is in the same boat as every other pandemic film but based on reported numbers it's doing very well internationally. However, if you're going to look at the numbers, you have to look at them against the reported costs and as a whole not just the revenue made in agreeable markets.
It's a bit immaterial who paid for the budgets. The fact is these investments were made to get the films produced. The expectation is that the film performs well enough to generate a worthwhile return, like any good business sets out to do.
QoS theatrically made $590M and had a budget of $220M. Let's say the film had a marketing budget of $150M (there's no way its coming in less than that) that would mean QoS just about broke even. Obviously I'm only accounting for the theatrical component here and not ancillary products like home media etc.
Again, my stance on this is purely observational. There's nothing anyone here should be worrying about. Bond 26 is coming and NTTD is performing better than most in this pandemic era.
Absolute waste and bloat
No masks here mate. UK is fairly relaxed with gyms and masks policy.
Probably explains why our daily infection rate is shocking... ;)
No, it does matter. Heineken isn't getting money back. They paid a bunch of money to be part of the movie. So did a bunch of other companies. Much of those budgets are paid by people for marketing purposes, and that money doesn't have to be made back at the box office to break even.
And no, the producers didn't lose money on QOS and then spend a similar amount on SF. They didn't barely break even (at best) on SP and then make a movie that has to outgross it to break even. This whole analysis is stupid.
Let's say the promotion is done with partners inhouse, (the distributor, or inside), the promo budget could be 100 millions $, but in reality, it would have cost a tenth of that.
Products placements, clothing placements, means if the costume and accessories budget is say, 30 millions $, the real amount would be closer to a quarter of that.
Let's say the director is paid 5 millions... maybe he only gets 2 millions upfront, and the rest is guaranteed on the tickets sold, beginning with 200 millions at the B.O. So his salary is 5, but only 2 is given to him.
You can go on and on... When the public figures are given at 250 millions, it means the movie production value is this... but the real money spent to get this value is probably around 125 millions, or less.
Here's an easier example. Let's say Bond 26 costs $1 billion to produce and market, and that money is 100% supplied by product placement and endorsements.
Then it makes $1.5 billion at the box office.
The producers will have hundreds of millions in profit, the marketers will have got what they want, and a bunch of geniuses on the internet will be talking about how it didn't "break even".
Yep, all the on-location filming they did contributed heavily to the budget, which is why they were determined to try and be a bit more economical with the next film. SF makes a $Billion and then the budget gets bigger again with SP and NTTD.
Correct.
And the production company gives the highest number possible for the budget, so that the win will be as low as possible to avoid paying too many taxes.
So everything, that can be put into the production cost will end up in there.
Profitability is a moving target as well. EON will profit. Universal will likely profit. MGM and investors may not. Or, all three of those statements are false.
Saying “NTTD is a huge hit, therefore profitable” is wrong. Saying “NTTD lost money, therefore a flop” is wrong. The film is a huge hit. And may lose money. This is Hollywood.
As did "The World Is Not Enough".
Many fans tend to forget, that that movie lost money.
I never knew it lost money!
It sucks because reports were that NTTD was going to have a splashy promotional tour in China prior to the pandemic. It is what it is. Post pandemic, a Chinese release wasn't guaranteed. I mean, I don't think Marvel will have any films premier in China this year, save for Spider-Man (which is not confirmed either way). There's a point where you have to cut your losses and make what you can. No one is at fault.
I still hope NTTD can hit $700M WW.
Yeah me too.
Now Bond stands at $525 million. North America, China and Australia will provide something like another $75 million. So it needs another $100 million from the rest of the world to hit that milestone. I honestly think it won't be able to do it.
F9 grossed $200 million in China. That's the only reason why Bond won't be able to ougross that Vin Diesel/John Cena nonsense.
The last good one was Fast Five, which came out in 2011, so I guess it figures ;)
The rest have skated on accumulated fanbase goodwill and, I suppose, on an ongoing appetite for increasingly implausible stunts.
MI6HQ says $918 mil. Variety says $800 mil.
Truth is no one knows exactly.
I absolutely agree, Paul Walker was the heart of those films, and the friendship between Dom and Brian was the central axis of the bigger "family" throughout, which is the reason I am also very partial to Fast & Furious aka part 4. Furious 7 was the last one I watched at the cinema, for the same reason. I watched the others including F9 on a small screen, without really paying attention. All stunts, not much soul.
Not that I have anything against armchair accountants. Many of them are *lovely people...