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At the end of the day though these are action films, so I don’t see anything wrong with holding the action to high standards. I guess it’s unrealistic to expect a 90s Bond film to have the calibre of fights you’d expect from Asian action movies, but Green 4 vs Necros wasn’t that long ago, and the fight scenes in Goldeneye were good. So, I’m finding it hard to defend the panto fights in TND personally. Not Brosnan’s fault, he was fine in GE when he had a good director and decent choreography behind him. But I do think they were poor.
I don’t see why there should be a distinction in standards between Bond films and films for fight nuts either. In Roger Moore’s time maybe that was fair. But by the 90s we were importing plenty of martial artists, and western action scenes in general had seen a bit of a step up, so I’m having a hard time excusing them myself. Reminds me of coming out of NTTD, when I was disappointed at the lack of inventive setpieces and big stunts (CR was the last film to really impress me in that department, but that was an exception, we’ve generally been going downhill since John Glen left). At first I thought, am I being unfair? The action was shot very well for the most part, and had a nice visceral quality to it. And should we really expect Bond to match Tom Cruise’s stunts? But then I thought actually, Bond is meant to be the king of the genre. So, no excuses imo, and the same applies to Brosnan’s fights. I think it’s fair to say they should have been better.
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Well it’s a good thing you don’t do that.You could try being polite to other forum members you have disagreements over Bond with though.
Wow.Just wow.Vic Armstrong is a LEGEND in the film industry.Besides his Bond work,he’s worked on Indiana Jones,Superman,Krull,and countless action films.Hes one of the very best stuntmen/action co ordinators of all time.
Naaahhh. I only show such courtesy to those that earn my respect. Or at least half of them.
Well I couldn’t care less about earning your respect as you clearly like to insult people you disagree with so I’ll just ignore you from now on.
You're gonna make Natalya cry.
:))
Standard operating procedure 😉
I agree with this.
I dunno if I agree with that.I thought Brosnan had good chemistry with all his leading ladies.Particularly Sophie Marceau in TWINE.
As for Michelle Yeoh,TND was my introduction to her and Iv been a massive fan since.
Which part?
This.
Also, Brosnan was all over his leading ladies! Even when they passed on... ;)
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cracking stuntman but I do think his work as co-ordinator was pretty hit and miss. What we’ve had since has been hit and miss too to be fair, but CR was the only Bond since GE that I’d say had exceptional action scenes, so on balance I think getting rid of him was a wise decision.
Just a shame they haven’t been able to keep that standard up since really, but I thought NTTD was a step back in the right direction. They bought the intensity back that I missed in the action scenes of the Mendes movies. Now they just need to combine it with some inventive stuntwork.
Yes, THIS - come up with slightly more interesting stunt work - let CJF direct again and we are good to go
Even Die Another Day slightly above TND. I felt like Brosnan's performance was better in DAD. Halle Berry > Michelle Yeoh. I found the plots in neither film to be believable, but at least DAD had more imagination and a better color palette. And at least DAD had a good first half; with TND, neither half was good.
Agree with all that.
GE is Brosnan’s best
TWINE is Brosnan’s most interesting
DAD is Brosnan’s best performance as Bond.
TND is meh
PAIN FACE!!
I even made a video of it, it’s glorious.
That’s nothing compared to Daniel Craig’s pursing his lips like he’s trying to kiss his opponent in some of his fight scenes in his first two Bond movies.
( To be fair I think someone told him this looked silly as he didn’t really do this from SF onward ).
I like Brosnan too mate but I think you’re reaching a bit here. I’ve literally never seen that mentioned before, nor have I ever noticed that myself, while the pain face is the stuff of fan legend.
I agree with @CraigMooreOHMSS though, it’s part of the fun of watching a Brosnan film for me.
I’d struggle to call DAD a better film (I think TND is solid personally, it’s just insanely bland) but yeah, it has much more entertainment value imo, even if that’s in a “so bad it’s good” sort of way by the end. You’re right about the colour palette too, and say what you will about Tamahori but at least his direction is full of pace and energy. DAD may be a trainwreck, but it’s never boring. And I’d rather watch something campy and shlocky like that than something generic like TND.
I think that was probably why DAD did manage to get some praise at first. It’s easy to forget now, but there were a fair few fans and critics who thought it was an improvement on the last two at the time. I think that’s because TND and (as much as I love it) TWINE do feel like bland 90s action movies aesthetically. DAD is more colourful and it’s less afraid of looking like a Bond film. The Cuba scenes in particular feel very old school Bond at times. It’s just a shame they tried to match that with that naff early 2000s action movie vibe (although I do like a couple of the sped up shots to be honest).
“ONE… LAHHSST… SCREEEEWWWW”
And to be fair, it’s not a criticism of Brosnan. I think it’s highly entertaining even if it’s not exactly the reaction Brosnan meant to elicit from audiences.