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I think in the last Bond Film Elimination Game, our beloved Spectre was out before CR'67? ;)
I know it was out before one of the filthy non-officals, not sure which.
"Today, we make microchips from silicon, which is common sand, but far better than gold." ;)
Actually, I quite enjoy CR'67.
Mata Bond is SO hot!!!!
Don't be too sure. While DAF is looked down upon these days - especially from the revisionists who use it as a scapegoat for not being the hoped-for revenge follow-up to OHMSS - it was quite the hit and even got decent critical notices. People just loved having Connery back in the shoulder holster. I'm sure there were a few hardcore fans who were appalled, but overall it was popular. The first-ever issue of 007 Magazine had an article on DAF being named the James Bond Fan Club's favorite film in a poll.
You'd have likely found more scorn for Lazenby and OHMSS and what mistakes they were, scattered with why Burt Reynolds should be the next Bond threads.
As an 11 year old I found DAF to be enthralling. As my first Bond movie, I still love it to this day, warts & all.
I saw it 50 years ago this month as a 5-year-old and left an impression on me. Although I'd been to some of the rereleases, this was my first first-release Bond film. Went with my mom and uncle on a Sunday afternoon and they took my dad back the next night. I recall standing outside the old-style cinema staring at that poster with Bond and the girls on the moon buggy and all that action surrounding it.
While I'll admit it isn't the best film and can understand while others don't dig it, that doesn't stop DAF from being special to me, as you said, warts and all.
We REACH! B-)
I'm going to expand a little on why I feel the way I do. SP and NTTD had the biggest gaps between films of tge Craig era and by default had a longer preproduction period. You'd think after more than 50 years they'd utilise a more efficient approach with their time and yet, we get, what is in my opinion, films that are insincere to the character of Bond in general and the world they established in the Craig era. This obsession with casting Oscar winners as villains and abandoning the core concepts of what makes Bond interesting in the first place is tedious. The naval gazing, the sloppy approach in trying to convince audiences they're watching high art is laughable and a testament to the confused and indecisiveness of the era. Since SF the Bond films seemingly take an approach where they can produce whatever bs they like and audiences will flock to it...and so far they're not wrong. Still, just because audiences show up to the rubbish they've given us doesn't excuse that tge last 2 Bond films have been huge disappointments (regardless if I'm in the minority with my opinion).
You make some valid points but QoS at least is a film that knows what it is and sets out a clear goal which it achieves. It's certainly a very stylish film and probably the most stylish of the Craig era which isn't a bad thing. However, unlike the 3 films that came after it, especially in the case of SP and NTTD, QoS not only had a writers strike but the preproduction process was super rushed. Outside of the film's editing QoS' issues are at least understandable and yet, the film remains a far more compelling and in many ways makes more sense than the 3 films that succeed it.
I don't have any issues with what you've mentioned here. For me they work fine as there's a tonal consistency that makes these specific components credible. I can't say the same for SP and NTTD though. Retroactively, the line about exploding pens is ruined as SP strangely undoes some of the things SF set up. We now get an exploding watch and Bond's relevance is once again called into question despite Dench's M point being proved during the hearing/Tenyson moment.
The problem with this is, for the most part it just didn't work. To me, it lacked authenticity and created a tonal clash. I'm all for development...whenvand where it makes sense and doesn't seem out of character but SP and NTTD failed here.
I'm glad you and others have enjoyed these last couple of outings. I'm yet to meet a Bond fan who has high praise for all 25 Bond films. The weight of the emotional and thematic components, combined with the more traditional elements is something I feel SP was close to pulling off but it dropped the ball. Personally, I feel the Craig era, as it's a more isolated Bond arc should have tonally hovered consistently between CR and SF.
I like Craig as Bond and on account of his first 3 Bond films alone he ranks my 2nd favourite Bond but his last 2 films were epic disappointments for me and I'm eager though slightly concerned to see where they go next with the actor #7.
FRWL: Venice section.
GF: post-Fort Knox scenes.
TB: after the Disco has blown up.
CR67: all Bonds in heaven/hell.
YOLT: after the volcano eruption.
OHMSS: marriage and tragic ending.
DAF: La Bombe Surprise.
LALD: train scenes.
TMWTGG: junk scenes.
TSWLM: after Atlantis has been destroyed.
MR: attempting re-entry.
FYEO: the PM gets the bird and moonlight swim.
OP: after Kamal’s demise.
NSNA: Bond in retirement and Small-Fawcett visit.
AVTAK: post-Golden Gate Bridge scenes.
TLD: Kara’s concert.
LTK: party at the Sanchez villa.
GE: after the satellite dish explosion.
TND: M’s memo and Bond staying undercover.
TWINE: premature millennium bug and Christmas in Turkey.
DAD: Moneypenny goes virtual while Bond and Jinx relax surrounded by diamonds.
CR: post-Vesper’s death.
QOS: Kazan scenes.
SF: Bond at MI6.
SP: getting the DB5 and driving off with Madeleine.
NTTD: everything after you-know-what.
Simply rank them, PM your choices to @GoldenGun and keep an eye out for the new thread! Thanks.
Good:
Bad:
Even then. When you have a child, you take one step further towards death, as Umberto Eco said.
You never know, she might've said 'me too'.
ANd we'll leave it at that as this is a children-friendly board... :-D
Anyway, what I don't get is that people didn't have a problem with the 'reboot' CR 'it all starts' story, but hate the fact that it ends in NTTD. Basically, CR gave the opportunity to make a sort of conceptual framework in which all th Bond-stories are set between CR and NTTD, including the future ones. So I honenstly hope they won't come up with another reboot, but just a 'standard'Bond story like GE to introduce the new guy.
Sure, I lso left the cinema in shock, I hadn't seen it coming and was still reeling from Felix's death. (I was glad for Blofeld's, it symbolically killed the stepbrother angle too, thank you for that). But the end is fitting, its heroic, and works over the ages. I find it difficult to see that people judge a movie by one moment. OHMS isn't defined by Tracy's death either.
And the other thing I don't get is that it seems those who were asking for more humour and gadgets are the same ones rooting against NTTD, even though it's the most 'classic' Bond-film of the Craig era with the most gadgets, humour and the lightest touch.
The guy who said “this anti white male garbage deserves to fail” before he’d even seen the film found the black woman insufferable? Oh wow, what a surprise, didn’t see that coming.
Why are you wasting your time watching James Bond anyway mate? Shouldn’t you be prepping your doomsday bunker for when the “hordes of anti-whites” come for you?
I think it achieved a lot. Added a bit more character to Q, and gave a brilliant actor who’s made the role his own a chance to bring a bit of his own identity to it, while simultaneously pissing off the tragic incel types and bitter old men who get irrationally angry over seeing anyone different to them on screen (remember everyone, straight white men are normal, but you need a good reason to include any other demographics or it’s “forced/pandering”). Loved it.
+1, +1, +1.
I agree with a lot of this, except for two points. 1) Nomi. While one large internet demographic were acting like she was going to takes Bonds place, another was acting like this one fictional character was going to solve all of the worlds problems. And yet, she’s just.... there, not a character worth getting worked up, either way, about. A lot of hot air over nothing. And 2), Q. I hope that Wishaw stays on, but think a clean break from the Craig era is needed. I wish Cleese had stayed on after DAD, I liked his sarcastic take on Q. But that didn’t work out. As for Q’s sexuality, it never once crossed my mind, either way.
Other than a sprinkling of posts, I haven’t spoken much of NTTD. I have yet to watch it a 2nd time, and given how I feel about the film at present, I don’t see it happening anytime soon.
No, CR-NTTD is clearly its own separate continuity. There's no way to square it with anything that came before. Everything that happened to Craig's Bond is accounted for in those movies.
Another reboot is a given. It's what all the franchises are doing, and EON really doesn't know how to do anything else but copy others at this point.
you mean they're going with the times, like they've always done? ;-)
Considering how many nods we got from all Craig-films to all films before, same in NTTD, I don't think that's a logical conclusion. The picture of Brown's M on the wall wouldn't make much sense that way. Nor previous ones of Bernard Lee's. Craig is even driving a DB5 first, then a V8 Vantage (Timothy's car) before finally getting into Nomi's latest Aston. TO me it all points in the same direction.
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It's hard for me to imagine an intersection of fans that would want Craig to come back for a 26th film; either people like it and don't need a 26th Craig film, or they don't like it and (it seems like a vast majority of these people) blame Craig, and so want him out anyways.
Just my thoughts on things.
It will make 3 billion dollars!!!!!
The film was not as antiwhite as it might have been so that's good. They focused mostly on the story of Craig Bond and it was hit or miss overall.
So pissing off White men is a good thing to you? That means you are antiwhite; good to know where you stand. The whole "straight White men are normal" is bad thing is also part of the antiwhite narrative. You are sick, my friend, and need to cure yourself of this mental prison you are in.