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  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    @ImpertinentGoon , I saw Nomi s "the one that works" as a reference to Craig s on set injury.

    And for the next Bond, Irma Bunt returns in Septipussy.

    Oh, that's good. Both.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited January 2022 Posts: 3,157
    Excellent, thanks for that.
    I also assumed the 'knee' reference was to Craig's own injury. That kind of self-referential stuff is why I wanted Bond to say 'I'd rather slit my wrists' when Felix asked him to take on the mission!
    I'd assumed that Nomi's response to Madeleine using perfume was because she's a badass with disdain for girly frippery, but the fact that Nomi thought she was doing it 'for Bond' is an even better explanation. Good one.
    I had wondered if there'd once been something in the script that didn't make into the film about Nomi somehow taking Bond's gun in Jamaica, hence the 'disarming young woman' line - but no.
    No mention of a missile to the face either!
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    ImpertinentGoon wrote: »
    - The pool in the bunkers is described as a "bacterial acid farm". That doesn't really help. (p. 120)

    Yes they are basically breeding the nanobots in that acid bath alongside the bacteria produced by the volcanic water’s algae. Cary said all of this is based on some super speculative theories dealing with bio producing nanobots.
  • BMB007BMB007
    Posts: 573
    Looks like I posted this in the wrong thread, my apologies:

    I find introducing Bond in the screenplay as "standing like Adonis on a lido overlooking the sea. She [Madeleine] turns, feeling his eyes on her." is interesting — considering Adonis is a key example of a dying/resurrecting god analogous to the changing of seasons.

    Of course, one doesn't have to dig to deep for a parallel in the film. When Safin goes "home", it is winter. Everything dead. When Bond goes home, it is green and alive.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,602
    Interesting, is this right?

  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Very good. The author also claims in a later response tweet that Fukunaga confirmed this to him personally. So, if that were true it would mean M. Nomi is officially 005.
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    That's really cool. Since we never learn what Bond's 00 designation was before being given back 007... I wonder if they swapped? That would make sense.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,602
    I guess Q has gone to all the trouble of making the little glyphs for each of them, so you may be right! :)
  • MattiaDeVarti007MattiaDeVarti007 Italy
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    And just out of curiosity....Did it pop up what the M. stands for? Supposedly her name cause Bond as well is listed J.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    Forgive me if this parallel has been mentioned before but I had only realised it from reading Priscilla Page's excellent article on the Craig era, she says: 'There is a beautiful symmetry to the beginning and the end of this Bond’s story: he’s initiated into 007 status by killing two people, and he retires by saving two people, the two people he loves most'.
  • BMB007BMB007
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    CharmianBond wrote: »
    Forgive me if this parallel has been mentioned before but I had only realised it from reading Priscilla Page's excellent article on the Craig era, she says: 'There is a beautiful symmetry to the beginning and the end of this Bond’s story: he’s initiated into 007 status by killing two people, and he retires by saving two people, the two people he loves most'.

    Yep exactly. And the last line of CR/NTTD are the same thing. A name, a nature changed. That article is so good, so so good. It captures everything I love about the Craig films — all these big, mythological ideas about life and death.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,917
    BMB007 wrote: »
    CharmianBond wrote: »
    Forgive me if this parallel has been mentioned before but I had only realised it from reading Priscilla Page's excellent article on the Craig era, she says: 'There is a beautiful symmetry to the beginning and the end of this Bond’s story: he’s initiated into 007 status by killing two people, and he retires by saving two people, the two people he loves most'.

    Yep exactly. And the last line of CR/NTTD are the same thing. A name, a nature changed. That article is so good, so so good. It captures everything I love about the Craig films — all these big, mythological ideas about life and death.


    Oh so many beautifully expressed thoughts from Priscilla Page, that's a joy to read.

    Leveraging Paul Haggis' comments he wanted to “see deeper into who [Bond] was, to open up that crack in his soul because his soul is hardened, and we wanted to pry it open and look inside.”

    No less her own insight.
    During Craig’s tenure, the static character has transformed into a man who evolves, building on Fleming’s Bond and leaning into that darkness always present in the author’s work. Though Martin Campbell’s Casino Royale was a relatively faithful adaptation of Fleming’s first Bond book, the films that followed would fast-forward Bond to the end, taking us from an origin story straight to the gloomy emotional terrain of the final books. It wasn’t so much a departure from the James Bond we knew as it was an exploration of Bond at the end of his run. (Sam Mendes cites the last three books as his inspiration for Skyfall, and On Her Majesty’s Secret Service is an obvious influence on Cary Joji Fukunaga’s No Time to Die.) The fantasy now hewed a little closer to reality. Craig’s era is one defined by loss, grief, betrayal. And the pain of it all leaves a mark in a way it hasn’t for other Bonds.

    And this. And many more.
    Safin is a little boy flash-frozen in his trauma, whereas Bond evolves, heals, grows — he becomes a man. His decision, his final heroic act, his sacrifice is made meaningful not just because he saves the world but because he saves the people he loves within it. In Casino Royale, Bond says: “You do what I do for too long, and there won’t be any soul left to salvage. I’m leaving with what little I have left.” No Time to Die allows Bond to salvage his soul.

  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
    Posts: 1,351
    CharmianBond wrote: »
    Forgive me if this parallel has been mentioned before but I had only realised it from reading Priscilla Page's excellent article on the Craig era, she says: 'There is a beautiful symmetry to the beginning and the end of this Bond’s story: he’s initiated into 007 status by killing two people, and he retires by saving two people, the two people he loves most'.

    I think we had talked about him having a fight scene going down stairs that in a lot of ways hammers home how physically and emotionally traumatic this life is going to be for James and the people he loves and then there is the action scene going up a flight of stairs at the end of it all. It doesn’t fit perfectly, so it might just be a coincidence.
  • BMB007BMB007
    Posts: 573
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    CharmianBond wrote: »
    Forgive me if this parallel has been mentioned before but I had only realised it from reading Priscilla Page's excellent article on the Craig era, she says: 'There is a beautiful symmetry to the beginning and the end of this Bond’s story: he’s initiated into 007 status by killing two people, and he retires by saving two people, the two people he loves most'.

    Yep exactly. And the last line of CR/NTTD are the same thing. A name, a nature changed. That article is so good, so so good. It captures everything I love about the Craig films — all these big, mythological ideas about life and death.


    Oh so many beautifully expressed thoughts from Priscilla Page, that's a joy to read.

    Leveraging Paul Haggis' comments he wanted to “see deeper into who [Bond] was, to open up that crack in his soul because his soul is hardened, and we wanted to pry it open and look inside.”

    No less her own insight.
    During Craig’s tenure, the static character has transformed into a man who evolves, building on Fleming’s Bond and leaning into that darkness always present in the author’s work. Though Martin Campbell’s Casino Royale was a relatively faithful adaptation of Fleming’s first Bond book, the films that followed would fast-forward Bond to the end, taking us from an origin story straight to the gloomy emotional terrain of the final books. It wasn’t so much a departure from the James Bond we knew as it was an exploration of Bond at the end of his run. (Sam Mendes cites the last three books as his inspiration for Skyfall, and On Her Majesty’s Secret Service is an obvious influence on Cary Joji Fukunaga’s No Time to Die.) The fantasy now hewed a little closer to reality. Craig’s era is one defined by loss, grief, betrayal. And the pain of it all leaves a mark in a way it hasn’t for other Bonds.

    And this. And many more.
    Safin is a little boy flash-frozen in his trauma, whereas Bond evolves, heals, grows — he becomes a man. His decision, his final heroic act, his sacrifice is made meaningful not just because he saves the world but because he saves the people he loves within it. In Casino Royale, Bond says: “You do what I do for too long, and there won’t be any soul left to salvage. I’m leaving with what little I have left.” No Time to Die allows Bond to salvage his soul.

    No Time to Die allows Bond to salvage his soul.

    Bingo. This is the key from the five films (the word "soul" is used or alluded to repeatedly throughout). He lost something to become 007, and the whole journey is him getting this back. Blue eyes, eyes are the soul. So "She does have your eyes" means...
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
    Posts: 558
    BMB007 wrote: »
    No Time to Die allows Bond to salvage his soul.

    Bingo. This is the key from the five films (the word "soul" is used or alluded to repeatedly throughout). He lost something to become 007, and the whole journey is him getting this back. Blue eyes, eyes are the soul. So "She does have your eyes" means...

    Exactly. It why I think the stairwell parallel could be a coincidence, it's certainly a broad enough metaphor, rising to heaven and descending to hell is well-worn cliche and it is interrupted by the fight with Safin but if you couple it with Bond climbing the ladder and the with the track that underlies it being called 'Final Ascent' which calls to mind a spiritual ascension I think it's interesting to compare the two.
  • BMB007BMB007
    Posts: 573
    CharmianBond wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    No Time to Die allows Bond to salvage his soul.

    Bingo. This is the key from the five films (the word "soul" is used or alluded to repeatedly throughout). He lost something to become 007, and the whole journey is him getting this back. Blue eyes, eyes are the soul. So "She does have your eyes" means...

    Exactly. It why I think the stairwell parallel could be a coincidence, it's certainly a broad enough metaphor, rising to heaven and descending to hell is well-worn cliche and it is interrupted by the fight with Safin but if you couple it with Bond climbing the ladder and the with the track that underlies it being called 'Final Ascent' which calls to mind a spiritual ascension I think it's interesting to compare the two.

    Yeah, that's totally the point of that whole ending — after he sheds the sweater and goes up the facility. Not to mention the word choice when Bond and Q have their final talk (for Christ sake, James or it's eternal).
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,917
    BMB007 wrote: »
    CharmianBond wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    No Time to Die allows Bond to salvage his soul.

    Bingo. This is the key from the five films (the word "soul" is used or alluded to repeatedly throughout). He lost something to become 007, and the whole journey is him getting this back. Blue eyes, eyes are the soul. So "She does have your eyes" means...

    Exactly. It why I think the stairwell parallel could be a coincidence, it's certainly a broad enough metaphor, rising to heaven and descending to hell is well-worn cliche and it is interrupted by the fight with Safin but if you couple it with Bond climbing the ladder and the with the track that underlies it being called 'Final Ascent' which calls to mind a spiritual ascension I think it's interesting to compare the two.

    Yeah, that's totally the point of that whole ending — after he sheds the sweater and goes up the facility. Not to mention the word choice when Bond and Q have their final talk (for Christ sake, James or it's eternal).

    To bookend these thoughts, a point made earlier was Bond descending the stairs battling the Ugandans in CR. He already has a military past and the two kills that earn him double-O status. But the death of the second man is particularly gruesome, and Vesper witnesses it. And is drawn in to participate in it. Later Bond is confronted by its effects on her.

    It's part of the path that made him further commit to the role of assassin with all the dirty elements it entails.

  • BMB007BMB007
    Posts: 573
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    CharmianBond wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    No Time to Die allows Bond to salvage his soul.

    Bingo. This is the key from the five films (the word "soul" is used or alluded to repeatedly throughout). He lost something to become 007, and the whole journey is him getting this back. Blue eyes, eyes are the soul. So "She does have your eyes" means...

    Exactly. It why I think the stairwell parallel could be a coincidence, it's certainly a broad enough metaphor, rising to heaven and descending to hell is well-worn cliche and it is interrupted by the fight with Safin but if you couple it with Bond climbing the ladder and the with the track that underlies it being called 'Final Ascent' which calls to mind a spiritual ascension I think it's interesting to compare the two.

    Yeah, that's totally the point of that whole ending — after he sheds the sweater and goes up the facility. Not to mention the word choice when Bond and Q have their final talk (for Christ sake, James or it's eternal).

    To bookend these thoughts, a point made earlier was Bond descending the stairs battling the Ugandans in CR. He already has a military past and the two kills that earn him double-O status. But the death of the second man is particularly gruesome, and Vesper witnesses it. And is drawn in to participate in it. Later Bond is confronted by its effects on her.

    It's part of the path that made him further commit to the role of assassin with all the dirty elements it entails.

    Yes! Exactly. And the stuff with the "blood" in the shower. It's really smart stuff, how these themes were developed and journeyed across all five films.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    Now, here is a new kind of easter egg for NTTD in real life:

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/mar/25/faroe-islands-bond-no-time-to-die

    The people on the Faroe Island location where Craig's last scene happens have erected something special...

  • BMB007BMB007
    Posts: 573
    zebrafish wrote: »
    Now, here is a new kind of easter egg for NTTD in real life:

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/mar/25/faroe-islands-bond-no-time-to-die

    The people on the Faroe Island location where Craig's last scene happens have erected something special...

    Oh my goodness that's awesome
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    edited March 2022 Posts: 4,348


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    Birthyear is a bit dodgy (1962 is the birth year of the film Bond series), but I like it. And much in the style of his parents' tombstone.

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Love that music. Does anyone know what it is?
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    edited March 2022 Posts: 4,348
    Shazam cannot find it, must have been specially commissioned for the advert. Very bondy guitar.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    zebrafish wrote: »
    Shazam cannot find it, must have been specially commissioned for the advert. Very bondy guitar.

    That is what I was thinking. Could have been an alternative Bond theme.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,917
    Well that marker just needs web cam coverage and the arrival of the first Dou Dou.

  • BMB007BMB007
    Posts: 573
    zebrafish wrote: »


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    Birthyear is a bit dodgy (1962 is the birth year of the film Bond series), but I like it. And much in the style of his parents' tombstone.

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    Oh my goodness, that's so cool it's consistent like that.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    With 1962 as the birthyear, one could think the good people of the Faroe Islands where very disappointed in NTTD and believe it has killed the franchise. ^^
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    Posts: 3,157
    Dolphin-massacring swines...
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,526
    zebrafish wrote: »


    grave.png

    Birthyear is a bit dodgy (1962 is the birth year of the film Bond series), but I like it. And much in the style of his parents' tombstone.

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    Absolutely love this, and also a clever move in terms of tourist spot!
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited February 22 Posts: 4,537
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    Table of death in CR. Already discus link with SF before...but since NTTD we know that we been fooled with Bond sitting at the bar..

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    Table of death in NTTD

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    CR Lyric in Skyfall (The coldest blood runs through my veins) vs CR Lyric in NTTD (Life is Gone with the spin of the wheel)

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    Inception

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    I see (upcoming) sterretjes (Dutch for Sparklers ''Fireworks for kids'' and Dutch for Child star.)

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    Dutch: Ik heb nog Appeltje te schillen met deze man. English: I stil to have peeling an Apple (egg) with this guy. It mean same thing as Bond said to Yusef in QOS (or in the trailer against Mr White): This man and I have some unfinished business.

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    Bond making mistake to let them somebody go... for 3th time!, what created that there have unfinished business till NTTD (and even that can be in quistion)

    Other examples:
    Savin in first part of pretitle scene of NTTD visit Madeline and her mother to take revenge. Confirm that Blofeld was lying in Spectre that he visit her and for biggest part Madeline told the truth.

    Camile whant take revenge in QOS with almoost simalar story.

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    DAD

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    CR

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    NTTD

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    Who link them all


    QOS

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    SF

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    QOS

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    Spectre

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    NTTD (Return ? of Spectre)


    Who link them all, you can find it in...

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    Skyfall ? (Not there...)

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    NTTD

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    QOS

    And this will bring us to..

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    original
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    False Property Of A Lady

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    Skyfall (''Correctly'') when Bond removed the bullet in a mirror / Skyfall (''Wrong'') with Ralph Fienes name.

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    Who link them all...

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    Judi Dench name in a star be atacked. This together with ''next in line'' lyric, be one of first moment expect Dench M going to die. Because of NTTD we know now where those black/red things and fire works in Skyfall stands for. Later in NTTD we see Bond get his Star Spot light fall of fame.

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    And this wil bring us to...

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    Remember/Honor Somebody in the present time with a name of the past. Fames singer & Bond producer.

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    By event/celebration. Missing information. To understand this predict Felix death you must see the future (NTTD) first.

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    By written words / text

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    What you saying / speaking words from the past using in present time (Michael Jackson)

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    Screaming fames words (but a disrespectful)

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    by audio commentary

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    By film/video

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    By pictures

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    By art

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    By a book / Author (By name)

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    Family and see ''death'' people in other people. With Elvis it was by name, whyle Ana De Armas mother looks like on younger Princes Diana.

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    New Quatermaster / sharing the same goal

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    Mi6 before the fall / New M

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    By place

    or
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    fames....
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    Relax take a drink...

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    The end of part 1... James Bond wil return....

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