Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    There is definitely a much more fleeting style to the locations of late, where Bond is in and out and I don't feel like I really got to visit and experience it alongside him on screen. I thought the old school style was captured best in Jamaica in NTTD, getting a taste of the local environment and letting the atmosphere breathe a little. That's exactly what I want to see again in the next film, whether it's one location, two, or even three main ones.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes, there was a bit more of a sense of Jamaica, but I do wish we'd seen him interact with even just one local at some point.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Come to think of it, Bond hasn’t really been on a mission that confined him to one location since YOLT. After that, Bond would have a “primary” location (Bond in Switzerland, Las Vegas, etc), but would still be globetrotting for the first hour or so. And as the films progressed, the “primary” location became less and less significant over the years.

    Even when they did CR, instead of taking place entirely in a fictional city in Northern France, they expanded it to SIX countries (with Prague being disguised as some of them).
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    mtm wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    I'd like to see a return to a villain who's fun to watch, like GF. Enough of these boring villains like Waltz's Blofeld and Safin. (Two Oscar winners who managed to be utterly uninteresting.)

    We'd all like it to be brilliant, but I'm pretty sure they were actually trying to make great villains with those two. There was nothing wrong with their aims.

    It's what's on screen that counts.

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    Not every villain needs to be like Goldfinger, just like that every Bond song doesn’t need to be Shirley Bassey belting her voice out. Let Bond have some variety.

    But they do need to be compelling and memorable, neither or which, in my opinion, were. Dr. No, Red Grant, and Goldfinger were very different, as an example of variety. But across 25 films, not all have succeeded in being especially effective and memorable.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited July 2023 Posts: 685
    The Craig era really cornered the market on creepy soft-spoken European men as villains. It'd be nice to have some more variety next time.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    The Craig era really cornered the market on creepy soft-spoken European men as villains. It'd be nice to have some more variety next time.

    Yes I think it’s strange we haven’t had a female main villain in over 20 years.
    CrabKey wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    I'd like to see a return to a villain who's fun to watch, like GF. Enough of these boring villains like Waltz's Blofeld and Safin. (Two Oscar winners who managed to be utterly uninteresting.)

    We'd all like it to be brilliant, but I'm pretty sure they were actually trying to make great villains with those two. There was nothing wrong with their aims.

    It's what's on screen that counts.

    Okay then, I think they should make a better film than Goldfinger. Easy.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    mtm wrote: »
    The Craig era really cornered the market on creepy soft-spoken European men as villains. It'd be nice to have some more variety next time.

    Yes I think it’s strange we haven’t had a female main villain in over 20 years.

    Given Olivia Colman's standout performance in Secret Invasion, I wouldn't mind seeing her take a crack.

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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    The Craig era really cornered the market on creepy soft-spoken European men as villains. It'd be nice to have some more variety next time.

    Yes I think it’s strange we haven’t had a female main villain in over 20 years.

    Given Olivia Colman's standout performance in Secret Invasion, I wouldn't mind seeing her take a crack.

    Having seen her in the odd, but compelling 'The Favourite', I concur!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah absolutely, I'd be onboard for that. She'd be much more interesting as the baddie than as M, which I have seen suggested.
  • mtm wrote: »
    Yes I think it’s strange we haven’t had a female main villain in over 20 years.
    As far as I am concerned the Bond movie franchise has never ever had a female main villain. Rosa Klebb was just one of the many henchmen, and Elekra King was not the main villain of TWINE.
  • I want Blofeld done right
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Oh I'd say Electra was the main villain: Renard was more like her henchman. She was basically manipulating him, and it was her plan.
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    Not every villain needs to be like Goldfinger, just like that every Bond song doesn’t need to be Shirley Bassey belting her voice out. Let Bond have some variety.

    That be awful lol
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    So, we all know the Producers are always opting for Oscar Winners to play Bond villains, like Christoph Waltz and Rami Malek.

    So, there are now predictions in the internet of Cillian Murphy's chance of winning an Oscar (for his portrayal of Oppenheimer), so if he won an Oscar, would the Producers hire him to play a Bond villain? I wish they never fail this time.

    Remember, Rami Malek was hired as Safin just after he won an Oscar for playing a popular icon in Freddie Mercury, so would Cillian Murphy do the same after playing the iconic Oppenheimer role?
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Not every villain needs to be like Goldfinger, just like that every Bond song doesn’t need to be Shirley Bassey belting her voice out. Let Bond have some variety.

    That be awful lol

    Not every villain needs to be dull and boring like Safin and not every song needs to be like Another Way to Die. Oh, that's right. Nobody said that, just as I never said every villain needs to be like Goldfinger. I said, I'd like to see a return to a villain who's fun to watch, like GF. In addition to GF, I added Dr. No and Red Grant. Certainly there were others. But a lot, including the NTTD duo, were not interesting, in my opinion.

    Waltz and Malek both earned the Oscars they received, but being an Oscar winner is no guarantee of future success. In fact I wonder if it places too much expectation on actors.

    I agree Olivia Coleman would be a nice addition to a Bond film. I would like to think being an Oscar winner would not produce a similar result.

    Of the Craig era villains, Le Chiffre is my favorite. A portrayal very different from G(ert)F(robe), still compelling and fun to watch.





  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    So, we all know the Producers are always opting for Oscar Winners to play Bond villains, like Christoph Waltz and Rami Malek.

    So, there are now predictions in the internet of Cillian Murphy's chance of winning an Oscar (for his portrayal of Oppenheimer), so if he won an Oscar, would the Producers hire him to play a Bond villain? I wish they never fail this time.

    Remember, Rami Malek was hired as Safin just after he won an Oscar for playing a popular icon in Freddie Mercury, so would Cillian Murphy do the same after playing the iconic Oppenheimer role?

    Oh yes, good thought; Murphy would be great. Could also play Bond too, when you look at Peaky Blinders.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    mtm wrote: »
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    So, we all know the Producers are always opting for Oscar Winners to play Bond villains, like Christoph Waltz and Rami Malek.

    So, there are now predictions in the internet of Cillian Murphy's chance of winning an Oscar (for his portrayal of Oppenheimer), so if he won an Oscar, would the Producers hire him to play a Bond villain? I wish they never fail this time.

    Remember, Rami Malek was hired as Safin just after he won an Oscar for playing a popular icon in Freddie Mercury, so would Cillian Murphy do the same after playing the iconic Oppenheimer role?

    Oh yes, good thought; Murphy would be great. Could also play Bond too, when you look at Peaky Blinders.

    I don't think the Bond producers would do an Irish villain. But maybe.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    The Craig era really cornered the market on creepy soft-spoken European men as villains. It'd be nice to have some more variety next time.

    Yes I think it’s strange we haven’t had a female main villain in over 20 years.

    Given Olivia Colman's standout performance in Secret Invasion, I wouldn't mind seeing her take a crack.

    Having seen her in the odd, but compelling 'The Favourite', I concur!

    A Yorgos Lanthimos directed Bond film would certainly be something different.
  • Although Bond 21 was officially confirmed to be an adaptation of Casino Royale only in February 2005, multiple unofficial sources already confirmed it in July 2004. That was one and a half years after the release of DAD.

    Now we are one and a half years after the release of NTTD (and over 3 years after the completion of NTTD) and have not heard any serious news about Bond 26 yet. I wonder when the floodgates will open.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited July 2023 Posts: 1,649
    Although Bond 21 was officially confirmed to be an adaptation of Casino Royale only in February 2005, multiple unofficial sources already confirmed it in July 2004. That was one and a half years after the release of DAD.

    Now we are one and a half years after the release of NTTD (and over 3 years after the completion of NTTD) and have not heard any serious news about Bond 26 yet. I wonder when the floodgates will open.

    Well, from my perspective, we have heard two major things: They are going for total reinvention and will likely start with a script, and Hollywood is in strike indefinitely. That's kind of where we stand until further notice, no need to say much more from their end until further notice. I think and hope they will do more and surprise us as soon as they can, but I also wouldn't be surprised if I'm waiting until 2027 to sit down and watch a movie.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Nothing is going to happen till the strike is resolved. Sadly.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yes, there was a bit more of a sense of Jamaica, but I do wish we'd seen him interact with even just one local at some point.

    He was afraid they worked for Spectre. ;)
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Didn't Fukunaga say that he was the one who decided that Bond should live a very solitary life in Jamaica? I think there was a gardener at one point, but Cary didn't even want Bond to have that level of interaction, so he dropped the character. I like the idea of Bond brooding in self-imposed isolation and wish we'd seen a bit more of it.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @Venutius … very much agree.

    I loved Jamaica, but Fukunaga is a smart cookie; he left us wanting more and he didn’t overstay his welcome in Jamaica; the same can be said of Cuba.

    Leave the audience wanting more (and I certainly wanted more of Jamaica, but at the same time, satisfied with what I got. It really did paint a clear picture, in these few scenes, that James Bond had frozen himself out, almost like a ghost amongst the living… He’d drive into town every night to have a drink, and, if lucky, bring a woman (preferably married?) back to his place. He fishes and sails in isolation, and he believed, for a time, that all he wanted was to fade into the background… That is, until intrigue and action came knocking….).

    If the Jamaica scenes were to show James Bond in isolation and alone, I’m not sure how many scenes more could have been added without feeling bloated.

    There’s a lesson in screenwriting: start a scene as late into it as possible, and leave as early as possible.

    I notice Fukunaga did this very often, and that’s why the pacing of the film seemingly flowed for such a long movie, with many plot-threads….
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited July 2023 Posts: 3,152
    Yes, good point: with what we did get of Jamaica, Fukunaga had already painted a clear picture of Bond in isolation and alone, and had left audiences wanting more - win-win!
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    After Hans Zimmer, a cool but safe choice, maybe they could go for a bolder, more electronic choice with Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross for the next movie. I have no doubt they can still mantain the Bond trademark in some capacity while bringing something different.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I've said it before, use the Bond theme. Not all the time, that would be too repetitive, but use it more than blaring it out as the credits roll.
    MI have their theme and use it when something cool and exciting is going down. Bond hasn't utilized the Bond theme for far too long. Maybe it's just me, but in days of old, when Bond was doing something Bondian and the theme kicked in, it got me excited for what was to come.
    EON please, bring back the Bond theme and use it when required.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited July 2023 Posts: 14,582
    Yeah, even the four note part of the Bond theme slowed down is great to hear when Bond's snooping around. And clear, varying leitmotifs of the title track too. Personally I want to hear the 007 theme again. Imagine an establishing shot of Bond arriving in some country and the 007 theme plays.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Yeah, even the four note part of the Bond theme slowed down is great to hear when Bond's snooping around. And clear, varying leitmotifs of the title track too. Personally I want to hear the 007 theme again. Imagine an establishing shot of Bond arriving in some country and the 007 theme plays.

    Played the Moonraker Boat Chase theme over Bond arriving to the Bahamas in Casino Royale and its flawless!
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