Would you rather Bond return to his cultural knowledge OR Bond return to the one-liner?

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  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Univex wrote: »
    As a Beatlemaniac and a Get Carter fan, I'd say Goodnight ;)

    Beatlemaniac? How is Ekland connected to The Beatles?

    For all I know, she's connected to Duran Duran as she's a friend of Nick Rhodes.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited November 2023 Posts: 5,431
    Let do one more ally would you rather.

    This one will be back on the gentlemen side of things.

    Would you rather have Valentin Zukovsky OR Rene Mathis as your ally

    On one hand, a former member of Russian Intelligence now operating in a murky world of caviar factories, casinos and smuggling. Valentin was resourceful, quick with a quip and while he was a bit of a criminal had a sense of right and wrong. He helped out our man twice, and lost his life doing it.

    On the other hand, a disgraced member of French Intelligence who was enjoying life in the French Rivera. Mathis helped with his connections to law enforcement both in Europe and in South America. He was an older, wiser agent and helped Bond navigate some rough waters. We won't talk about how Bond left him in a dumpster.

    Who are you choosing as your ally?

    *edited thanks to @007HallY for the corrected last name!
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    None of these are my preferred allies.

    But I'd rather have Zukovsky because he had an advantage of saving Bond's life from Elektra's torture, if not for Zukovsky's distractions, Bond would've been dead because we've seen how Bond was nearly dying from that torture chair.
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 4,162
    Think it’s Zukovsky, not Vukovsky (unless I’m wrong).

    Anyway, Mathis had a habit of talking much too loudly during important poker games (wow, I wonder just how Le Chiffre figures out that Bond knew his ‘tell’?) Not gonna lie as well, for the longest time watching QOS I wasn’t entirely sure whether he was in fact a Quantum agent all along who’d become disgruntled after CR, or if he’d been framed (seems to be the latter, but it’s a random thing for Le Chiffre to say to Bond, and the ‘code name’ in-joke, presumably to do with the fact that he’s clearly Italian, went over my head).

    Zukofsky’s actually a great character. He’s a rogue and Bond obviously needs to convince him both times to help him, but he’s the stand-out in TWINE and saves Bond’s life.

    To answer the question, it’d be Mathis in the context of the question (very resourceful/is there to help you). But Zukofsky’s a better character.
  • Posts: 6,709
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    As a Beatlemaniac and a Get Carter fan, I'd say Goodnight ;)

    Beatlemaniac? How is Ekland connected to The Beatles?

    For all I know, she's connected to Duran Duran as she's a friend of Nick Rhodes.

    Blast! For a momment I thought of Barbara Bach. Sorry. Well, I’m a Peter Sellers fan, so I’d still go with Goodnight (hope I got that one right) ;)
  • Posts: 7,430
    Mathis, of course 😉
  • Univex wrote: »
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    As a Beatlemaniac and a Get Carter fan, I'd say Goodnight ;)

    Beatlemaniac? How is Ekland connected to The Beatles?

    For all I know, she's connected to Duran Duran as she's a friend of Nick Rhodes.

    Blast! For a momment I thought of Barbara Bach. Sorry. Well, I’m a Peter Sellers fan, so I’d still go with Goodnight (hope I got that one right) ;)

    Shes connected to Brittpop surely!
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited November 2023 Posts: 9,509
    I'll go Mathis. He was more grounded and seemed not only to be an ally filled with information, but more elements came with the character and his portrayal: he seemed to be almost like a mentor to Bond, and he was a warning sign of how Bond could, or would, end up

    Zukovsky I just never took seriously. I liked him better in GE, than I did in his return in TWINE. But, like the films he was born from, he was a bit more of a cartoon rather than a fleshed out character.

    Mathis all the way.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited November 2023 Posts: 3,262
    Definitely Mathis(CR'06 version only. I detest what they did to his character in QOS).

    He's an actual Fleming creation and the actor who portrays him recalls Gabriele Ferzetti for me.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Good stuff, I am pleasantly surprised that Mathis fared so well in this battle. I always liked what Coltrane did with Valentin.

    Lets move on to another battle of the Bonds! Bond has flirted with space and then went to space. Lets pit these two Lewis Gilbert films head to head and see which one comes out on top.

    Would you rather watch YOLT OR MR?

    YOLT, a wonderful snap shot of Japan in the late 60's. Little Nellie taking to the skies. A wonderful Barry soundtrack that features some much beloved melodies. A wonderful volcano lair created by Ken Adams. A haunting theme song sung by Nancy Sinatra.

    MR, a globetrotting film that features Roger Moore hitting his stride as Bond. A return of a henchman, Jaws! This time Bond doesn't get stopped boarding the rocket, he gets in and heads to space. A theme song sung by Shirley Bassey that was rejected by Frank Sinatra.

    Tell us which one are you watching?
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    MR and YOLT were my 2 favorite Bond films as a child( I've never had a problem with outer spaced themed 007 films) and they remain my favorite two of the sci-fi themed and GF formula Bond films. They both feature hauntingly memorable John Barry scores, gorgeous travelogue scenery and impressive sets by Ken Adam. A double feature of both would work for me and while Connery is my favorite Bond lead actor I think Moore gives the better performance of these two so MR gets my vote.
  • Posts: 1,860
    MR and YOLT were my 2 favorite Bond films as a child( I've never had a problem with outer spaced themed 007 films) and they remain my favorite two of the sci-fi themed and GF formula Bond films. They both feature hauntingly memorable John Barry scores, gorgeous travelogue scenery and impressive sets by Ken Adam. A double feature of both would work for me and while Connery is my favorite Bond lead actor I think Moore gives the better performance of these two so MR gets my vote.

    Both films are relatively daft but my vote goes to YOLT for it's audacious volcano lair.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    MR for sure. However, YOLT is starting to become one of my favourites. These ones and GE were the first Bond films I ever seen
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Love both films. At this minute I'd watch YOLT, because although the view count is similar, I feel like I don't know YOLT as well as MR. With MR, I can list the order of scenes in my head, but struggle a bit with YOLT. Example: Does the Little Nellie sequence happen before or after Bond examines the Ning Po photographs? Hmm, I can never remember.

    Having said that, I kinda like still not being that familiar with the film decades later. Always something new to discover.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited November 2023 Posts: 3,789
    MR is my favorite of the Moore Era, the villain, Hugo Drax is great, Holly Goodhead is a tough Bond Girl (Bond's equal), a step up from the previous one, great cinematography, set designs, locations and score, and my favorite portrayal of Moore's Bond (might be his best in my opinion), he showed bits of humanity in here like the Centrifuge scene, when he saved Manuela against Jaws in that Dark Alley in Brazil, when Bond was fighting with that snake in the Aztec.

    YOLT, on the other hand, was just bland for me, the characters were a hit or miss, the second half grinds to a halt, the cinematography was dull, I do liked the set pieces in that Volcano lair but it's nothing as impressive as Drax's space station, the Bond Girl is a mediocre one, and worst performance by Connery who's literally phoning it in and sleepwalking through the role.

    Maybe it would've a more meat to it had they've made it consistent from the first half.

    So, no question here, MR wins by a landslide for me.
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    MR for me, YOLT has gone way down in my estimation over the years, it starts off great, and has a spectacular finish, but in between is a drag, and the turning Japanese segment is awful!
    MR, daft as it is, and with the unwelcome return of Jaws, is just great fun and has a better villain and set pieces!
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 1,368
    YOLT is Connery's worst movie but Moonraker is Moore's worst movie too.

    TSWLM.

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    YOLT is Connery's worst movie but Moonraker is Moore's worst movie too.

    TSWLM.

    TSWLM is not one of the options.
    Your posting style and general attitude here are borderline trolling.
    If you don’t like either of the options that have been posted, then don’t post.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited November 2023 Posts: 3,789
    YOLT is Connery's worst movie but Moonraker is Moore's worst movie too.

    TSWLM.

    I disagree about Moonraker, it's not his worst, it's either A View To A Kill, The Man With The Golden Gun, or Octopussy.

    And I consider Diamonds Are Forever as Connery's worst.

    You liked TSWLM, but hated wooden acting? I've felt that film is full of wooden acting, almost half of the cast of that film were wooden, but anyway.....😶
  • Posts: 1,368
    Benny wrote: »
    YOLT is Connery's worst movie but Moonraker is Moore's worst movie too.

    TSWLM.

    TSWLM is not one of the options.
    Your posting style and general attitude here are borderline trolling.
    If you don’t like either of the options that have been posted, then don’t post.

    My posting style is the only one I can have. My English is not as good as yours.

    My general attitude is fine. I have my opinions.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Benny wrote: »
    YOLT is Connery's worst movie but Moonraker is Moore's worst movie too.

    TSWLM.

    TSWLM is not one of the options.
    Your posting style and general attitude here are borderline trolling.
    If you don’t like either of the options that have been posted, then don’t post.

    My posting style is the only one I can have. My English is not as good as yours.

    My general attitude is fine. I have my opinions.

    Opinions are fine. But in this thread you have one of two options, not one that you want too add.
    And your attitude is aggressive.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
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    YOLT all the way.
  • Posts: 4,162
    MR for me. It’s a strange Bond film, a sort of a lighthearted version of NTTD for me in the sense that it has a weird ‘anything goes’ element to it. But I enjoy it.

    YOLT is a film I personally find boring.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    YOLT for me. Even though it has it's problems and Connery isn't at his best, it still feels like a Bond film to me
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I'd rather watch YOLT every day and twice on Sunday.

    It gives you very best duck.
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 1,368
    Moonraker is more fun but that's the problem. It's too fun and silly.

    YOLT is OK but the script is undercooked. Where is Richard Maibaum when you need him?

    Connery looks bored but i think this is the subtext of the movie. Bond is bored too. ;)
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited November 2023 Posts: 4,634
    Moonraker is more fun but that's the problem. It's too fun and silly.

    YOLT is OK but the script is undercooked. Where is Richard Maibaum when you need him?

    Connery looks bored but i think this is the subtext of the movie. Bond is bored too. ;)

    One thing that both movies (and LALD) proved was that writing Bond could still be successful. Despite what Maibaum’s ego told him, Bond could survive without him. The 3 movies are better without him. I wish Roald Dahl and Tom Mackiewicz would have written novelizations like Christopher Wood did with MR. It definitely would have been interesting. Although Harry Saltzman was forever upset with IFP over not publishing Per Fine Ounce, and I agree with him.

    I’m narrowly going with YOLT for Donald Pleasence and his Blofeld. It proves that little screen time can make a memorable villain. MR is fun though, and in my upper half.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Moonraker is more fun but that's the problem. It's too fun and silly.

    YOLT is OK but the script is undercooked. Where is Richard Maibaum when you need him?

    Connery looks bored but i think this is the subtext of the movie. Bond is bored too. ;)

    ZombieBond. YOLT indeed.
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 1,368
    He saved the world 4 times. This is another day at the office.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I have to say, I don’t have the intense dislike I used to have for Moonraker.

    But I have to choose that volcano lair, and I can watch Connery having a nap, any day of the week.

    But, I do have a small, growing affection for MR, and the job that Moore executed…
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