New Bond TV Show - 007: Road to a Million

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  • I blasted through the show and on the last episode now. Enjoyed it! It was strange how the contestants weren't (seemingly) Bond fans. As they made no comments on the Bond inspired challenges, vehicles and locations. :-?
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    I blasted through the show and on the last episode now. Enjoyed it! It was strange how the contestants weren't (seemingly) Bond fans. As they made no comments on the Bond inspired challenges, vehicles and locations. :-?

    To quote myself from the previous page on this topic:
    Update: something just clicked about the tv show for me: the Bond background with otherwise uninterested contestants is exactly like watching a Bond movie with someone who has never seen one before or isn't a fan. They don't notice what you want them to notice, all the cool stuff and the themes and the songs etc., but they still seem to have a good time at the end of it, and hopefully you did too. Or you never do it again, lol. It'd be funny if the "Controller" character mocked the contestants more for their lack of Bond knowledge/awareness, just to actually point the stuff out for audiences and to have a little more fun with that role.
  • That's a good theory @LucknFate ! I had also wondered, maybe the contestants are in the Bond universe = where there are no Bond films. :)) Maybe thats too farfetched.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    The weird thing to me was that the contestants in Rio mentioned a local, rather notoriously naff nightclub which I and my friends went to when we were at school. Quite bizarre to see the world of 90s cheesy suburbia and the glamorous world of 007 colliding!
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    After trying it twice, I finally stuck with it and have now made it through two episodes. If we had to have this show, I wish it could have been done better. The absence of Bond mentions within the series is puzzling. At the very least, put up a graphic naming the places and films referenced by the locations. As mentioned by others, definitely an Amazing Race knockoff. Not much suspense. Cox is a little too cheesy. Maybe the negatives work themselves out as the series progresses. As a Bond fan, the single best reason to watch is for the music. The show opened with and often repeats Aston Montenegro, a piece that barely got any play in CR itself, but a wonderful piece of music.
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 859
    After finishing it I would say the good point are :
    - The very amazing locations.
    - The cinematographic way of fiming, the color and the camera work is just crazy (don't know how they even menage to pull that off)
    - Music (even if not new ones).
    - The title sequence.
    - Brian Coxx as The Controller.
    - Some tests are nice : the crane climb, the moving train, the cliff climb etc...
    - All the 9 episodes were out the same day (no waiting to endure).

    The bad point are :
    - To much repetition, nothing else about the mandatory questions. Imagine bring the candidate to a casino just for... let them answers another question. Or immagine bring other ones to a motor race track just for... travel it on foot and answers another question. And always the two same case (expected the metro one would be looking like some kind of bomb and have to cut the right cable A, B or C). At least the question aren't obviously easy.
    - The disjointed aspect (you pass from a candidate to another, and to another, to go back to the first, see new one you never see, go back to the second pair, etc...). Some of them didn't have at least 5 min of screen time in the whole show. + What was the point to have a test where you have to climb at the top of a volcano but not showing any footage of the guy when he finally arrive to the top of it?
    - No reference to the James Bond universe from any of the candidate (or at least no one that end up in the final edit). Nobody seems to say "oh I know this thing, it's from the X or Y [film name]", nobody seems amazed by any prop.
    - The casting is "okay", but I wouldn't say "amazing".
    - Why there isn't more spy stuff test, more interaction with anything.
    - The obscure rules : no rules dictated to us so we wonder why they not shoot the laser gun point blank ? Ask the boats in canal just near them the speed limit ? What is allowed, what is forbidden is never clearly define.
    - There should have been bad guys who misled them or chase them, some competion between the pair (like at the casino), anything to make it more thrilling that just watch them 10 min pick which random answer they would choose to a question that they don't know the answer.
    - Why after incorrect the good answer is not always given to us/them ? At least you should try to edducated us.
    - The obligatory typical waste of time of theses kind of tv emission : "the answers you pick is [45 second of useless wait] correct/incorrect] ".
    - Strange product placement : why on any drink existed on the world would Bone brother end up to ask a Heineken in that store in Jamaica?

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    The correct answers are given if they get it wrong; the controller is usually holding something which reveals the answer.
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    Not always, For exemple I think the Mars landing coorect answer wasn't given explicitly.
  • All good points @moneyofpropre2 Can't disagree with any of them.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    I've read some reviews on Reddit, I have to watch this show, but I have no access on Prime, maybe somewhere else? Because this show for me, from the start looked promising.

    But is it true that the questions aren't even about Bond? One question that's asked in the Scotland scene was about Macbeth? It's that true?

    Because if that's the case that's already a disappointment, because the question aren't even linked to Bond at all?
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited November 2023 Posts: 1,676
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    I've read some reviews on Reddit, I have to watch this show, but I have no access on Prime, maybe somewhere else? Because this show for me, from the start looked promising.

    But is it true that the questions aren't even about Bond? One question that's asked in the Scotland scene was about Macbeth? It's that true?

    Because if that's the case that's already a disappointment, because the question aren't even linked to Bond at all?

    That is indeed true. I can see why, ultimately, they did it. It just opens up who you can cast as contestants to a much broader group, and I think they leaned into the idea of establishing the glamor and globetrotting of Bond rather than the character or specific stories.

    Think of it this way: if you give them a Bond trivia test when casting, you erase any of those questions from being able to be used in the show, so then how do you know they are Bond fans? You could ask if they've seen most of the movies or read the books, but then they could just be lying to get on TV.

    With random UK trivia, by casting reasonably educated UK citizens, you can have some reasonable expectation they can answer your vaguer trivia questions without any sort of test.



    I easily see this part changing significantly in the next series, but I don't think it will ever be a Bond trivia show.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Then why put the 007 label on it? I haven't watched it yet. Why couldn't this show be catered for the contestants to be Bond fans. Quiz them during the interview process or something
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited November 2023 Posts: 1,676
    Then why put the 007 label on it? I haven't watched it yet. Why couldn't this show be catered for the contestants to be Bond fans. Quiz them during the interview process or something

    I literally just wrote:
    Think of it this way: if you give them a Bond trivia test when casting, you erase any of those questions from being able to be used in the show, so then how do you know they are Bond fans? You could ask if they've seen most of the movies or read the books, but then they could just be lying to get on TV.

    You've invested millions in getting them and crew to location to film, and they immediately fail out because they in fact lied and don't know anything, half your contestants go home immediately, you have no show, just a comedy of errors.

    Keep in mind we are talking about 14 Fleming books plus additional short stories (and do you also factor in the Fleming connection in Horowitz's latest series of continuation novels, or the continuations as a whole? no probably not), and then 25 Eon movies. Obviously not even many "fans" have probably seen every Bond movie, which could make the challenges more fun in a way, but also it's a lot of content to run trivia for! Where do you begin? How simple do you make it? The current setup of RTAM presents extremely simple questions, which probably would not even be fun for a Bond fan if the show was asking: "Who is Bond's boss?: 1. M.? 2. C.? 3. Q.?" Right?

    My solution would be: specify you want Bond fans in your casting call (still not sure how you'd vet them), or hire maybe the smaller crew folks who have been hired to Bond sets, who might know this stuff. Target your casting/advertising listings to forums and fan social pages. Cast minor UK celebrities, or young prospective actors/filmmakers, where they might be somewhat more informed. They certainly could have tried to make a Bond-focused reality narrative/trivia work but it's not so straightforward.

    I would enjoy a show that puts random people in very specific Bond scenes. They have to bungie jump off a dam and then do something while hanging upside down once they reach the bottom; have them walk into the Russian embassy set from FRWL with instructions to follow the map Tatiana draws in the movie, without them knowing the foundation is about to explode so they're surprised when it does, and they have to act or something; one contestant is tied to a table while the other is blindfolded, the one on the table has to guide the blind one to do something before, idk, a bucket of paint falls on them and they fail the challenge; they should at one point have to search a room for bugs/clues or a safe behind a picture, etc. get them thinking like spies. Idk.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    They should find Bond fans like they do actors. Make the potential contestants play that scene from From Russia With Love. :D
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 2023 Posts: 16,624
    Everyone in towels; racing across the world :D
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 16,226
    Well after reading the comments on here I can safely say I'm going to pass on this show.
    I'd have to get Amazon Prime just for this show, and it doesn't seem worth the time.
  • If you can get a free trial or something , it is worth the watch. At least during this 007 dry spell until the next film!
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I personally really enjoyed it and, as I've said before, would welcome another season, especially given how...
    ...none of the contestants made it that far, given how much money was on offer.
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 2,029
    There is no Bond connection for the players. At least for the audience we get some Bond music. But the controller could make mention that such and such location was referenced in a specific film. It would be easy while discussing Venice to mention that some of CR was filmed there.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I already knew that, so it didn't really matter to me! :)
  • Posts: 2,029
    mtm wrote: »
    I already knew that, so it didn't really matter to me! :)

    It might prove informative to viewers not as knowledgable as you.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I can’t really be worried about them though; I only watch TV shows on the basis of whether it appeals to me or not. I’m certainly not going to say something is bad because some hypothetical person somewhere else might not like it! :)
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I thought the casting was good, and I particularly liked
    the nurses
    .
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited November 2023 Posts: 1,676
    Creasy47 wrote: »

    For fun...

    Avail viewership numbers from article and some more from Barb (full list here):

    8.8M: Strictly Come Dancing (Fri)
    8.4M: Strictly Come Dancing (Sat)
    6.9M: GBBO
    6.1M: The Long Shadow
    5.6M: Planet Earth III
    4.3M: Clarkson Farm Ep. 1
    3.8M: Clarkson Farm Ep. 2
    3.3M: Clarkson Farm Ep. 3
    3.2M: Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power Ep. 1
    2.8M: ITV Evening News
    2.8M: BBC Weekend News
    2.7M: The Met
    2.7M>007: RTAM

    More people tuned into the UK news cycle, which is sad.

    More Bond vs. Tolkien:
    Reported 100M copies of Fleming books sold worldwide reported in 2022.
    Reported 600M copies of Tolkien books sold worldwide reported in 2021.
    Reported 7B in Bond cinema sales.
    Reported ~3B in LOTR cinema sales + ~3B in Hobbit cinema sales.
  • Posts: 2,029
    Minus the 007 logo and the fabulous Bond music, really nothing here that says Bond. Oh, D.R.A.X. and a 007 lock combination. This is a series that should be a lot more fun than it is. It is simply not very creative. While Bond fans appreciate the locations and the staging, what does any of it mean to the average viewer? I appreciated the half submerged catamaran. How many average viewers did? Or do the producers feel it doesn't matter? If it doesn't matter, then why connect the series to Bond at all? The onscreen notes provided when one streams the series would provide context. (They should have used a real partially submerged ship. The catamaran was pretty low budget.)
    Instead of arriving at a destination to answer a question, how about an actual challenge along the lines of Amazing Race and Survivor? Instead of being out because one missed a multiple choice question, one is out because they failed a challenge. The shooting challenge was actually a good example, but the shooting challenge for the Bone brothers seemed more difficult than the one the Nurses did. As the camera followed the Bond brothers through the jungle, the brothers weren't carrying the hammocks they later slept in. That alone made the trek seem not quite as hard.

    The series felt as if it all added up to nothing much at all. The travelogue aspect is appealing, the music wonderful, and the contestants were engaging. In the end, it left me neither shaken nor stirred.

  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    I don't think it's helped by the fact that Prime Video are notorious for releasing their programs, even their big IP, into the wilderness with hardly any promotion at all.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited November 2023 Posts: 1,676
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Minus the 007 logo and the fabulous Bond music, really nothing here that says Bond. Oh, D.R.A.X. and a 007 lock combination. This is a series that should be a lot more fun than it is. It is simply not very creative. While Bond fans appreciate the locations and the staging, what does any of it mean to the average viewer? I appreciated the half submerged catamaran. How many average viewers did? Or do the producers feel it doesn't matter? If it doesn't matter, then why connect the series to Bond at all? The onscreen notes provided when one streams the series would provide context. (They should have used a real partially submerged ship. The catamaran was pretty low budget.)
    Instead of arriving at a destination to answer a question, how about an actual challenge along the lines of Amazing Race and Survivor? Instead of being out because one missed a multiple choice question, one is out because they failed a challenge. The shooting challenge was actually a good example, but the shooting challenge for the Bone brothers seemed more difficult than the one the Nurses did. As the camera followed the Bond brothers through the jungle, the brothers weren't carrying the hammocks they later slept in. That alone made the trek seem not quite as hard.

    The series felt as if it all added up to nothing much at all. The travelogue aspect is appealing, the music wonderful, and the contestants were engaging. In the end, it left me neither shaken nor stirred.

    All fair and agreeable takes, imo. It's clear to me from the producers/filmmakers language that they really did not want people clashing directly with each other in any way, and minimize as much risk of injury as possible. BB said in a roundtable that they'd been approached with more aggressive style shows setup like "triathlons" that concerned them for the contestants' safety before this, but this seemed more like a fun adventure show. So this is what they ended up with. I agree, they could do more, even within those parameters.

    Maybe not right for a "Bond" show, but this could have been an opportunity to work with / cast all veterans, show some support there. And then there can be some higher expectation of physical ability/survival mentality etc.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Halfway through episode 3 and I'm surprisingly enjoying it so far.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Calvin Dyson reviewed it and stated that if you can make it to episode 3 you would enjoy the remaining ones.

    The choice to have it not be a typically edited reality program makes you wonder what they were thinking. He said, I haven't watched so I am going entirely on his review, that really only 4 of the teams really feature in and even then one team gets most of the focus. That in some of the episodes the editing suddenly thrusts you back to Scotland to see other teams there and that it's quite jarring.

    I wonder why they edited the program that way? I was envisioning a more "Amazing Race" style show with some Bond flourishes.
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