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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Tom looks ridiculously good for his age, I can't believe he is 61.

    I hope Tom decides to continue making these films after part 8. I really hope Ethan does not get killed off like DC's Bond.

    I think they'll pull a 'Bourne Ultimatum' on Hunt.
    We think he's dead... and right before the end titles start playing, we see him walk away.

    Or possibly running away knowing Tom ;)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Is that the same outfit he’s wearing in the biplane scene.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    Is that the same outfit he’s wearing in the biplane scene.

    Having reviewed the photo's posted from JustJared, and the ones from the biplane scenes that appeared a while ago, it looks like Tom is indeed wearing the same outfit.
    Well spotted @mtm
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited May 2 Posts: 2,121
    I still don't understand why they want to change the title...when they've already name the first one, with part one attached to it and the next film being a very direct sequel. Maybe they feel Dead Reckoning as a title, was the reason for the box office failure, apart from Barbie & Oppenheimer, I don't know.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I still don't understand why they want to change the title...when they've already name the first one, with part one attached to it and the next film being a very direct sequel. Maybe they feel Dead Reckoning as a title, was the reason for the box office failure, apart from Barbie & Oppenheimer, I don't know.

    I think they are aware that DR did not connect with audiences to the degree that other entrees had; it's not a bad movie by any means but there was something missing.
    I tend to think the weight of dealing with COVID restrictions during the prolonged production didn't help.

    The initial thought may have been to have the next film be a direct follow up, but is appears that they are making it clear that some time has past, Tom's longer hair being one gauge . No doubt the two films will be connected in some ways but they are approaching this in a way that will give it it's own identity.
  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I still don't understand why they want to change the title...when they've already name the first one, with part one attached to it and the next film being a very direct sequel. Maybe they feel Dead Reckoning as a title, was the reason for the box office failure, apart from Barbie & Oppenheimer, I don't know.

    I think they are aware that DR did not connect with audiences to the degree that other entrees had; it's not a bad movie by any means but there was something missing.
    I tend to think the weight of dealing with COVID restrictions during the prolonged production didn't help.

    The initial thought may have been to have the next film be a direct follow up, but is appears that they are making it clear that some time has past, Tom's longer hair being one gauge . No doubt the two films will be connected in some ways but they are approaching this in a way that will give it it's own identity.
    From a marketing perspective, it may make sense for this to be NTTD as opposed to Spectre: Part 2. I assume a good chunk of the story (key stunts) was / were locked down / too tied to DR to change but based on DR’s reception, they are trying to establish continuity but ‘detach’ it from DR, in as much as they can.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited May 3 Posts: 2,121
    talos7 wrote: »
    I still don't understand why they want to change the title...when they've already name the first one, with part one attached to it and the next film being a very direct sequel. Maybe they feel Dead Reckoning as a title, was the reason for the box office failure, apart from Barbie & Oppenheimer, I don't know.

    I think they are aware that DR did not connect with audiences to the degree that other entrees had; it's not a bad movie by any means but there was something missing.
    I tend to think the weight of dealing with COVID restrictions during the prolonged production didn't help.

    The initial thought may have been to have the next film be a direct follow up, but is appears that they are making it clear that some time has past, Tom's longer hair being one gauge . No doubt the two films will be connected in some ways but they are approaching this in a way that will give it it's own identity.

    Yeah, it's not a bad film, yet like a lot of people have said, (which I also agree with) there's something missing...I don't know what it is. Maybe the upcoming film would have a new baddie? To help create its own identity. If they had known, they shouldn't have named it Part One, so it stays on its own like the other films.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited May 3 Posts: 16,356
    I think what's missing is we don't see enough of how big of a threat the Entity is. We get a nice demonstration at the start and airport scene but it never shows something sinister. There should have been a scene where The Entity shows it's true potential for chaos and causes some kind of industrial accident that starts a panic.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited May 3 Posts: 2,121
    Murdock wrote: »
    I think what's missing is we don't see enough of how big of a threat the Entity is. We get a nice demonstration at the start and airport scene but it never shows something sinister. There should have been a scene where The Entity shows it's true potential for chaos and causes some kind of industrial accident that starts a panic.

    Yeah, that could be it. Although, some filmmakers don't like showing much of something, so it doesn't lose its value. Imagine what Michael Bay would have done with The Entity, LOL. Although, one thing I know is, I felt more mystery and complexity in DR than I did in NTTD. NTTD should have tried to do something complex and more mysterious with the Nanobots like DR did with The Entity. For all the action in DR, it still aimed for suspense and mystery, so it did well and better.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think the bit where it becomes Benji in Venice is a pretty decent demonstration of its scary powers.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    mtm wrote: »
    I think the bit where it becomes Benji in Venice is a pretty decent demonstration of its scary powers.

    True, true, true....so true. The fact that The Entity doesn't talk, makes it more scary.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited May 3 Posts: 8,228
    I really like the concept of The Entity. FO is a very good film ;it frustrates my that I can’t quite put my finger on what its lacking. Some time has passed since I’ve seen it; I’m going to give it another go. My initial, mild, disappointment may have , in part, been do to my anticipation having been so high.
  • edited May 3 Posts: 4,617
    It's hard to work out how the "Entity" can be seen as such a huge threat and yet, there will be a time gap between the movies. As we saw with NTTD, once the script writers are tied up with linking up old plot threads, it can be very messy. If they have abandoned the idea of "back to back" then, with hindsight, two seperate adventures would have been fine. Has McQ overstretched?
    On another note, we know that the corporate machine is happy to squeeze every last cent from any franchise. I sincerely hope that the MI brand is not trashed in this process and a genuine attempt to make original, new stories is made.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    mtm wrote: »
    I think the bit where it becomes Benji in Venice is a pretty decent demonstration of its scary powers.

    It's a great scene but perhaps a show of force was needed to try and guilt Ethan into giving it the keys. Perhaps as a cliffhanger for part 2.
  • edited May 6 Posts: 17,783
    Tom Cruise apparently landed with a private airplane at Vigra airport outside Ålesund this weekend. Shooting scenes in Norway again?
  • Vinther1991Vinther1991 Denmark
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    I did not have high hopes for DR, as Christopher McQuarrie basicly killed my enthusiasm for the franchise with the uninspired direction in Rogue Nation and Fallout, I was really puzzled that he of all directors would be the one that got offered the chance to direct more than one MI film. But he really proved me wrong this time, DR is by far his best effort yet and one of the best in the franchise. It brought back a lot of the humor, energy and style of GP. It is maybe a bit too long and lacks a satisfying conclusion, but it is one hell of a ride with excellent sequences and a colorful set of characters. My ranking of the films:

    1. Mission Impossible (More of a thriller, which i prefer. Expertly directed by De Palma)
    2. Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol (Colorful, kinetic, peak of the action scenes of the franchise, basicly tied for the first spot)
    3. Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning part 1 (Return to form)
    4. Mission Impossible II (Guilty pleasure, so ridiculous it is entertaining, does have some great scenes also)
    5. Mission Impossible III (Has some great scenes and a fantastic villain. The second half is dull however, and Abrams is not the best director. But a passable entry nevertheless)
    6. Mission Impossible Fallout (Dull and forgettable)
    7. Mission Impossible Rogue Nation (Even more dull and forgettable)
  • edited May 10 Posts: 654
    I did not have high hopes for DR, as Christopher McQuarrie basicly killed my enthusiasm for the franchise with the uninspired direction in Rogue Nation and Fallout, I was really puzzled that he of all directors would be the one that got offered the chance to direct more than one MI film. But he really proved me wrong this time, DR is by far his best effort yet and one of the best in the franchise. It brought back a lot of the humor, energy and style of GP. It is maybe a bit too long and lacks a satisfying conclusion, but it is one hell of a ride with excellent sequences and a colorful set of characters. My ranking of the films:

    1. Mission Impossible (More of a thriller, which i prefer. Expertly directed by De Palma)
    2. Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol (Colorful, kinetic, peak of the action scenes of the franchise, basicly tied for the first spot)
    3. Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning part 1 (Return to form)
    4. Mission Impossible II (Guilty pleasure, so ridiculous it is entertaining, does have some great scenes also)
    5. Mission Impossible III (Has some great scenes and a fantastic villain. The second half is dull however, and Abrams is not the best director. But a passable entry nevertheless)
    6. Mission Impossible Fallout (Dull and forgettable)
    7. Mission Impossible Rogue Nation (Even more dull and forgettable)
    I believe you’re the first person that I’ve come across that calls Rogue Nation and Fallout dull and forgettable and the worst of the series. Seems like for most people (myself included) those 2 are the best in the series. I remember being extremely impressed with Ghost Protocol and thought wow the series really scored big with that one (after not being impressed with the previous 3 entries) but I thought it was a one-off and didn’t think they could duplicate that kind of magic. Imagine my surprise when Rogue Nation knocked my socks off and managed to surpass GP. Then imagine my shock again when Fallout managed to top even RN. So those 2 entries I think are the absolute tops in the series!

    I was thrilled with Dead Reckoning too so I’m not knocking that one by any means. I feel like I need to watch it another time to really decide where it ranks. But it’s pretty high up there with Fallout and Rogue Nation.

    Basically this series just doesn’t let up. Keeps getting better and better. I honestly don’t know another franchise that does this. Typically sequels don’t get better. There may be a fluke once in a while but you don’t get a string of sequels that are consistently better and better.
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    Tom Cruise has spent time this week, base jumping in Loen.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE 8 production has been delayed, again, due to submarine malfunction— budget is said to be nearing $400M.

    https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/5/27/mission-impossible-8-production-delayed-again-budget-said-to-be-nearing-400m
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Sounds good, they'll get it done and it'll be great.
  • edited May 28 Posts: 4,226
    To be fair I'm not sure how accurate the $400 million budget claim is (and we won't know until later. I've not seen any other credible source claim this).

    It'll be an uphill battle making the next one a big success though. I'm not sure if that many people are excited for these new MI films anymore, and it'll effectively be a sequel to a film a questionable number of people saw (I've not even gotten round to watching it yet). No one seems to be sure whether this'll be Cruise's last film as Hunt, and even then the fan base for this franchise is very soft/there won't be a guarantee they'll see it in the cinema. They've generally been successful but not heavy hitters financially. To clarify I think it could do well, but it's a tricky one.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    To be fair more people saw MI:7 in cinemas than, say, MI:3. It wasn't a complete disaster, just Fallout set the bar very high, plus a sizable chunk of the budget for Dead Reckoning was due to covid costs.

    With a 400 million budget that puts MI:8 in one of the most expensive movies ever made, I believe only AVATAR 2 reaches that level of money spent, and Pirates 4 if you adjust for inflation. It certainly will be mission impossible for Mr Cruise to turn a profit on this film, if that's the case.

    It's a good job he has Top Gun 3 coming in a few years...
  • willowlovewillowlove Kent, WA, USA
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    Jeremy Renner on why he stopped playing Brandt; essentially, it was for family reasons.

    https://collider.com/mission-impossible-jeremy-renner-return/
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    willowlove wrote: »
    Jeremy Renner on why he stopped playing Brandt; essentially, it was for family reasons.

    https://collider.com/mission-impossible-jeremy-renner-return/

    I understand his motivations. I just think his absence is a loss for the series. Renner made a fine addition to the series; he helped Ghost Protocol become my favorite of the M:I films.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Finally watched Dead Reckoning - really enjoyed it. There was a bit of a Skyfall vibe in there with the fight on the train and Luther's 'Sky Wave radio'. I think this was questioned here earlier, but Ethan handed Jasper's gun back to him and built a level of trust between them, but then minutes later Jasper's trying to arrest him again.

    I like the Entity and the sound it makes to appear more terrifying, but being someone who follows the notion of all living being's intelligence given to it via its connected soul, an AI reaching true sentience doesn't work for me unless a soul could tap into a digital system like it may do the brain/nervous system, in which case, it's no longer artificial, but a true sentient intelligence conveyed digitally. But what do I know? We could all be AI and living in an AI reality for billions of years! 😮
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I watched MI3 for the first time in a while, does anyone else think Tom is playing Ethan with intensity because of Bourne and Craig's soon to be darker take on Bond?
  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Finally watched Dead Reckoning - really enjoyed it. There was a bit of a Skyfall vibe in there with the fight on the train and Luther's 'Sky Wave radio'. I think this was questioned here earlier, but Ethan handed Jasper's gun back to him and built a level of trust between them, but then minutes later Jasper's trying to arrest him again.

    I like the Entity and the sound it makes to appear more terrifying, but being someone who follows the notion of all living being's intelligence given to it via its connected soul, an AI reaching true sentience doesn't work for me unless a soul could tap into a digital system like it may do the brain/nervous system, in which case, it's no longer artificial, but a true sentient intelligence conveyed digitally. But what do I know? We could all be AI and living in an AI reality for billions of years! 😮
    I rewatched this again last night (for the first time since ion quite a while) and came away a lot more impressed than on my first couple of viewings.

    Many of the scenes feel like they could do with being edited and the CGI in the final scene ruined any sense of tension for me but otherwise, it’s a very solid entry in the series. It also feels to me like there are too many characters who we don’t get enough time to see / engage with (hopefully something that’s remedied by the next entry).

    My expectations were very high going in to see this first time and I was disappointed by the decision to kill off Ilsa and I found Grace to be somewhat charmless but outside of pointless nitpicking at this stage, it’s quite enjoyable and I’d rank it somewhere in the middle of the entries overall.

    The most interesting thing on this rewatch for me were the amount of what felt like obvious Bond references, as you mention. The Rome car chase scene felt like it was heavily influenced by SP, the scene between Hunt and Grace where Hunt notes ‘you grew up in poverty, which left you longing for the finer things’ felt very like the Bond / Vesper scene in CR. I know others have pointed out similar between the beginning of DR and TND, also.

    It certainly feels like both series are somewhat inspired by each other at this stage.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 30 Posts: 16,496
    Simon Pegg was just on 6music at Glastonbury and said he's got one day left on Mission this week.
    The interviewer suggested a chase scene through a music festival, and I don't mind that!
    (Cruise and McQ were there too so you never know... )

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    (That's Gillian Anderson there with them)
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    meshypushy wrote: »
    I rewatched this again last night (for the first time since ion quite a while) and came away a lot more impressed than on my first couple of viewings.

    Many of the scenes feel like they could do with being edited and the CGI in the final scene ruined any sense of tension for me but otherwise, it’s a very solid entry in the series. It also feels to me like there are too many characters who we don’t get enough time to see / engage with (hopefully something that’s remedied by the next entry).

    My expectations were very high going in to see this first time and I was disappointed by the decision to kill off Ilsa and I found Grace to be somewhat charmless but outside of pointless nitpicking at this stage, it’s quite enjoyable and I’d rank it somewhere in the middle of the entries overall.

    The most interesting thing on this rewatch for me were the amount of what felt like obvious Bond references, as you mention. The Rome car chase scene felt like it was heavily influenced by SP, the scene between Hunt and Grace where Hunt notes ‘you grew up in poverty, which left you longing for the finer things’ felt very like the Bond / Vesper scene in CR. I know others have pointed out similar between the beginning of DR and TND, also.

    It certainly feels like both series are somewhat inspired by each other at this stage.
    Sorry, I missed your reply. I agree about TND - thoughts ran back to Carver's newspaper printing factory when Ethan ran along the airport's glass ceiling or similar, while Jasper and Degas searched left and right, but not up!
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    edited July 16 Posts: 2,641
    I'm going to put a link to this article behind spoilers, because it contains pictures of a big stunt in MI8 and information about it which might spoil it for some.
    One thing that's interesting at the end of the article it says "Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One was out last summer and featured a submarine that is blown up and sinks. The next offering will revisit the submarine 10 years later."
    I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere else, is this common knowledge or speculation? Given Cruise's hair a time jump seems likely
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