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I see what you mean, @Mendes4Lyfe. 😉 Think about it, though. We usually don't want our Bonds too grounded, too serious or realistic. We enjoy a bit of fun -- the old five-minutes-into-the-future element. We want big villains, bombastic lairs, gadgets, and futuristic tech. Such things invite errors of some kind. But we typically embrace them. Even the loop whistle in TMWTGG or not knowing why the bald man wants to beat up Bond in Beirut aren't too big a deal for mist Bond fans.
Thank you, @peter. I was thinking the other day about DAF. Why didn't Tiffany think it odd that Peter Franks had to be told a second time what floor to choose? But instead of hating her for not smelling something iffy, I usually just laugh with it. That is the power of these films.
I'm glad. Imagine having that discussion. I mean, what even constitutes a perfect Bond film? So I am happy that most of us can agree that Bond films are not perfect at all.
No Bond film is perfect, but no Bond film is without value either, which for a 62-year-old, 25 film series is an outstanding achievement.
Plenty. Take your pick - game of cards at Blades with M to catch out a potential cheating villain, Viv Michel about to be raped by 2 gangsters in a motel only to be rescued by the new Bond (great PTS potential for the new actor), 2 gangsters kicking Bond half to death in a `Brooklyn stomping' football boot torture, the mud bath scene in DAF, Bond undercover as Mark Hazard to get close to his man, the end train scene battle in TMWTGG, the end train scene in DAF, the horse race scene in DAF, Bond watching in the woods as a bush opens to reveal the biker killers in FAVTAK, etc. etc.
All this and no giant squid.
And swimming with barracudas ;)
And Bond trying to hold his breath to kill himself… only for this not to work of course.
I suspect the idea of Bond turning a lesbian 'straight' (who afterwards openly admits being abused by her uncle) might not be on the table though for a future film though...
Each to his own. I found that rubbish to be utter nonsense that weakened the series. It was better suited for Matt Helm and Derek Flint films. The RM are what I consider the Bond parody years. I won't argue their success and that RM is The Bond for many. It's not a direction I could see MI or Bourne going. I think Bond can lighten up a bit, but not to the point that Bond himself doesn't seem believable.
I would very much enjoy a post Craig film that recaptures that flavor. It's time for Bond to be fun again. Not silly. But cheeky and a bit implausible with a Bond who is both charming and dangerous.
Don't we all. :-<
I think the back to back sequences of the car getting crushed, bond seducing Pussy and the planes flying over Fort knox all bring down the pace of the second half of Goldfinger for me. As a modern viewer I struggle to find engaging some of those baby steps into the true epic spectacle that they would come to master with TB, YOLT and OHMSS.
The Batman had slasher elements
Mission impossible dead reckoning had AI almost acting demonic so in a weird way exorcist vibes
Bond 26 needs to be scary
Yes to both of you. The last Bond to lean into full horror was LALD. And that was campy at heart.
Of course they could go back to a lighter Bond. They did the same after Dalton, and there needs to be at least a little bit of a difference to the Craig era.
I think, given the current climate in the world, a lighter Bond is more than needed now.
But don't worry, I doubt they actually will go back to a more "fun" Bond in the foreseeable future, especially with rumors like Villeneuve directing and Barbara Broccoli mentioning in an interview in early 2023 that the next Bond requires the same "emotional heft" as Bond in the Craig era.
Bingo. The world is already too depressing these days; I think it would be a huge mistake on part of EON to try and darken things up even more after the Craig era.
Yeah. He's a good horror director. He shouldn't just give Bond his gory style, Lol. I think Bond needs more like surface horror. If delved in too deeply, it loses the Bond touch. Another example, is Jaws in TSWLM. He was genuinely scary in the pyramid scene, but still watchable, because Lewis Gilbert doesn't doesn't show him chewing off flesh, even if we know.
As compared to the nonstop action, can't catch a breath sequences in contemporary films, GF can seem a bit slow paced, but I wouldn't change a thing.
We don't need a jokey Bond. We need one with style, charm, and wit who displays a true element of danger. Craig has been an excellent Bond, but not the complete package. Craig's Bond is more akin to Hunt and Bourne. The series can be a little more fun without sacrificing believability.
I also agree with @CrabKey. What is a "jokey Bond" that some want and some don't want? One poorly delivered joke can ruin the movie; several good quips can boost the movie. Indeed, a cocktail of style, charm, wit and danger is probably more essential than just a lighter Bond or a darker Bond.
Honestly, the only thing we need is a good Bond.
Craig's Bond was a little bit grumpy.
A different actor can change things a lot.
Yeah. Something like that is subtle, but effective. Even a shadowy villain with a trench coat and hat, that's nameless and highly-elusive would be cool. Or maybe Bond facing a clairvoyant villain. Although, with these elements, I would still want the film to feel like TLD/GE :)
Couldn't have put it better.
After this long wait the thought of a "lighter Bond" makes my heart sink honestly. If you look over the 25 films we've had quite a lot of camp/lighter Bond films and not as many grittier darker films.
A big problem I had with NTTD, was most of the jokes didn't land in any of the audiences I saw them with, it felt like the writers were trying way too hard to be funny and it didn't feel organic.
I'd love the next Bond film to be a hybrid of the best elements of Dr No, TLD and CR
Those 3 films you mention all have their flaws too, just like GF has. TB has waaay too many dull sequences underwater which slow down the pace drastically (then that crazy speeded-up boat scene at the end sends it into a parody).
YOLT has very bad special effects, with very naff back projection, and when Bond decides to turn Japanese and get married I would suggest this also loses modern audiences, rather than being a true epic spectacle.
Likewise, OHMSS and the Hilary Bray scenes, with the naff overdubbed voice is far worse than those scenes in you mention in GF.
No Bond film is perfect, but GF comes very close.