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  • edited July 18 Posts: 4,310
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Honestly, it doesn’t matter if the villain is old or new. My opinions were just my viewpoints. I just want an enjoyable movie. I wonder what other movies EON are looking at for inspiration.

    Good question. I think it's worth saying that beyond more recent films like The Batman being possible sources of inspiration (at least very broadly on a direction level) they've got so many non-Bond films to draw inspiration from that go back further.

    The director might, for instance, want a more back to basics approach but with those Bondian elements/a modern twist and might revisit some Hitchcock or film noir movies for inspiration... come to think of it that's pretty much what The Batman did, but it can be any classic genre/film. Just depends on the story.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited July 18 Posts: 3,800
    007HallY wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Honestly, it doesn’t matter if the villain is old or new. My opinions were just my viewpoints. I just want an enjoyable movie. I wonder what other movies EON are looking at for inspiration.

    Good question. I think it's worth saying that beyond more recent films like The Batman being possible sources of inspiration (at least very broadly on a direction level) they've got so many non-Bond films to draw inspiration from that go back further.

    The director might, for instance, want a more back to basics approach but with those Bondian elements/a modern twist and might revisit some Hitchcock or film noir movies for inspiration... come to think of it that's pretty much what The Batman did, but it can be any classic genre/film. Just depends on the story.

    I can see Oppenheimer fitting into this style too, even Barbie have that old fashion style in it, and those are the biggest films of today.

    I agree at that, something along the likes of old fashioned film styles.
  • edited July 18 Posts: 4,310
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Honestly, it doesn’t matter if the villain is old or new. My opinions were just my viewpoints. I just want an enjoyable movie. I wonder what other movies EON are looking at for inspiration.

    Good question. I think it's worth saying that beyond more recent films like The Batman being possible sources of inspiration (at least very broadly on a direction level) they've got so many non-Bond films to draw inspiration from that go back further.

    The director might, for instance, want a more back to basics approach but with those Bondian elements/a modern twist and might revisit some Hitchcock or film noir movies for inspiration... come to think of it that's pretty much what The Batman did, but it can be any classic genre/film. Just depends on the story.

    I can see Oppenheimer fitting into this style too, even Barbie have that old fashion style in it, and those are the biggest films of today.

    Yeah, they both have their cinematic inspirations (I mean. Barbie even begins with a 2001 reference! Still think it's a bit of a hackey opening, but still). All films do to some extent anyway.

    Perhaps they could take the general premise or some sort of thread from an old film noir or Western or whatever and adapt it as the set up of Bond 26. If it interests them/they can make it fit into their film that is. It's not without precedent.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    007HallY wrote: »
    The director might, for instance, want a more back to basics approach but with those Bondian elements/a modern twist and might revisit some Hitchcock or film noir movies for inspiration... come to think of it that's pretty much what The Batman did, but it can be any classic genre/film. Just depends on the story.

    I guess really it's kind of what the opening to CR did, in an aesthetic sense anyway.
  • Posts: 4,310
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    The director might, for instance, want a more back to basics approach but with those Bondian elements/a modern twist and might revisit some Hitchcock or film noir movies for inspiration... come to think of it that's pretty much what The Batman did, but it can be any classic genre/film. Just depends on the story.

    I guess really it's kind of what the opening to CR did, in an aesthetic sense anyway.

    Definitely. Then you've got things like QOS using Chinatown's water plot (MGW even referenced it when talking about the film). LTK using Yojimbo and A Fistful of Dollars as plot inspiration is another.
  • ArapahoeBondFanArapahoeBondFan Colorado
    edited July 18 Posts: 72
    007HallY wrote: »
    I think even just for Bond 26 it'll have to be a restart. As others have said just to put some creative distance between the Craig era and this one it makes sense not having Leiter or SPECTRE just yet. Another major reason is I don't see the point in tying themselves to SPECTRE (or indeed a new version of any previous villain). Creating an original villain gives them so much creative opportunities I just don't see why they'd rehash what we've seen before.

    Agreed. Considering the character died I'm a bit baffled and why some are saying Craig's could be could be referenced. I'm all for reintroducing Vesper, Leiter and SPECTRE but again, since that universe's (so to speak) character died, it would have to be a revamping and rebooting.
  • ArapahoeBondFanArapahoeBondFan Colorado
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I think even just for Bond 26 it'll have to be a restart. As others have said just to put some creative distance between the Craig era and this one it makes sense not having Leiter or SPECTRE just yet. Another major reason is I don't see the point in tying themselves to SPECTRE (or indeed a new version of any previous villain). Creating an original villain gives them so much creative opportunities I just don't see why they'd rehash what we've seen before.

    Agreed. Considering the character died I'm a bit baffled and why some are saying Craig's could be could be referenced. I'm all for reintroducing Vesper, Leiter and SPECTRE but again, since that universe's (so to speak) character (actually really nearly all of the characters lol) died, it would have to be a revamping and rebooting.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 18 Posts: 16,624
    I think Vesper or Tracy or another loved one who gets fridged appearing feels unlikely: we've kind of been there and done that and the audience is a bit more wise to the use of female characters in that fashion. I think Madeline was an attempt to move away from that as well, really.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    mtm wrote: »
    I think Vesper or Tracy or another loved one who gets fridged appearing feels unlikely: we've kind of been there and done that and the audience is a bit more wise to the use of female characters in that fashion. I think Madeline was an attempt to move away from that as well, really.

    What's the solution for 26? Strong women characters in M. or Moneypenny and flippant run-ins with rogue ladies? Or give Bond a full-time girlfriend of some sort?
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited July 19 Posts: 3,800
    007HallY wrote: »
    I think even just for Bond 26 it'll have to be a restart. As others have said just to put some creative distance between the Craig era and this one it makes sense not having Leiter or SPECTRE just yet. Another major reason is I don't see the point in tying themselves to SPECTRE (or indeed a new version of any previous villain). Creating an original villain gives them so much creative opportunities I just don't see why they'd rehash what we've seen before.

    Agreed. Considering the character died I'm a bit baffled and why some are saying Craig's could be could be referenced. I'm all for reintroducing Vesper, Leiter and SPECTRE but again, since that universe's (so to speak) character died, it would have to be a revamping and rebooting.

    It really just needs a reboot, but again, it's not to say they would act as if the Craig's Bond is different than this new Bond, again, reinforcing the codename theory in here (to which I think the Producers have been trying to avoid), this is not going to be a 'Bond as a beginner' again (it could only happen in CR because it's the first Bond book), and if he's going to be an established Bond at this point, one needs to put clues to reassure people that he's still the same character.

    Besides, his death wasn't shown explicitly, it's just faded to white, unlike Blofeld.

    Unless, they would adapt some aspects of FAAD by Horowitz, to which I see a little possibility, the only continuation novel they've been getting pieces to, since, is Colonel Sun.
    LucknFate wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I think Vesper or Tracy or another loved one who gets fridged appearing feels unlikely: we've kind of been there and done that and the audience is a bit more wise to the use of female characters in that fashion. I think Madeline was an attempt to move away from that as well, really.

    What's the solution for 26? Strong women characters in M. or Moneypenny and flippant run-ins with rogue ladies? Or give Bond a full-time girlfriend of some sort?

    Probably they would attempt at giving Bond a serious love interest but would ended up not working out, like Tiffany Case was in the Fleming books or Gala Brand was in MR, or maybe introducing Vivienne Michel from TSWLM (book).

    Or someone in the vein of Flick Von Grusse from the Gardner novels.
  • ArapahoeBondFanArapahoeBondFan Colorado
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    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    It really just needs a reboot, but again, it's not to say they would act as if the Craig's Bond is different than this new Bond, again, reinforcing the codename theory in here (to which I think the Producers have been trying to avoid), this is not going to be a 'Bond as a beginner' again (it could only happen in CR because it's the first Bond book), and if he's going to be an established Bond at this point, one needs to put clues to reassure people that he's still the same character.
    Very true. Hadn't thought it might give credence to the theory.
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    If the intent is to introduce Bond to a new generation, I really don't see much point in alluding to loves and missions that took place in films well before the upcoming generation was born. It might send a few of the curious to Wikipedia, but I don't think many will care.

    If we have, Bond, James Bond. The gun barrel opening and the James Bond Theme, it will be the same character we have always known. Those things will be clue enough for me. And I don't want a Bond film that can be compared to a Batman film. Be original. Get over what others are doing.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited July 19 Posts: 3,800
    CrabKey wrote: »
    If the intent is to introduce Bond to a new generation, I really don't see much point in alluding to loves and missions that took place in films well before the upcoming generation was born. It might send a few of the curious to Wikipedia, but I don't think many will care.

    If we have, Bond, James Bond. The gun barrel opening and the James Bond Theme, it will be the same character we have always known. Those things will be clue enough for me. And I don't want a Bond film that can be compared to a Batman film. Be original. Get over what others are doing.

    But the EON did this before by alluding to Tracy and even with the reappearances of some gadgets that he had used in the past, and even some supposedly recurring side characters (Pola Ivanova was meant to be Anya Amasova, Paris Carver was a Bond Girl from the past and who knows what timeline she was in, Sharkey in LTK was meant to be Quarrel Jr. From LALD, heck, even Octopussy's Indian Ladies appeared as a cameo in TLD) in the Classic Era of 20 films, I don't see anything wrong with that, the thing is, people have always been insistent about that nonsense of a theory about Bond not being the same person and just a: codename, Time Lord, etc.

    Okay, who cares about these people? But still, it's just only to make sense of things 😊, there are the likes of Wikipedia, but how the audience (for those who aren't Bond fans) would makes sense of it all? Good for us, as a Bond fan myself, I don't have any problem with a complete restart, but for the non Bond fans who were getting it started by knowing Bond, curiously?

    If talking as a Bond fan, I'm with you, in that I also liked a complete restart for a more creative freedom (they could do much more with the new iteration if they would completely reboot it), but Bond is for general audiences, not just for us fans, and with regards to how the Craig Era ended and with the new Bond actor, it needs a clarification, that, James Bond is still the same person, we don't want to revive the codename theory alive after the proposals made by the likes of Screenrant and some other bloggers out there that drives people's perceptions, we need to introduce a new Bond but still debunking the thoughts that people have in mind.

    If they've done it in the past (Cubby Era), I don't see why it wouldn't makes sense now, it's not about Batman, James Bond did it long before Batman, callbacks are a Cubby Broccoli thing. 😁
  • edited July 19 Posts: 4,310
    I think by and large it’ll be a blank slate. Maybe like CR we’ll get subtle/vague references to his past which are in keeping with the character and make sense within the movie, but likely not much, if anything like that.

    As for creating something ‘original’ that won’t be compared to any other films, that’s not how it works. Bond often gets compared to Batman anyway, and they even play off each other (ie. Batman Begins has basic concept similarities to CR, and TDK and SF have plot similarities. Incidentally I think they’re all very different films. The Nolan Batman films even outright referenced Bond and adapted some of its tropes). They’re two film franchises which just seem to have similar paths. Just by virtue of Bond 26 being a reboot presumably with a younger Bond it’ll be compared to The Batman anyway. It may just simply organically come with the process of making this new modern Bond film (The Batman certainly has broad ideas the latter Craig films used - the villain being a dark mirror image of the hero being a major one). I’m not expecting them to make a broody neo-noir style Bond 26, but there’s no reason to shy away from a ‘year 2’ premise if they like it and can adapt it for their own film. Same for any other broad ideas they like from it. As I said all films are born from other ones to some extent anyway, and it’s naive to think they won’t look at what’s going on around them.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes, the very first Bond films aren't exactly dissimilar to something like North By Northwest, and even lifted an action scene directly from it. Nothing is in a vacuum.
  • Posts: 15,234
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    The director might, for instance, want a more back to basics approach but with those Bondian elements/a modern twist and might revisit some Hitchcock or film noir movies for inspiration... come to think of it that's pretty much what The Batman did, but it can be any classic genre/film. Just depends on the story.

    I guess really it's kind of what the opening to CR did, in an aesthetic sense anyway.

    Definitely. Then you've got things like QOS using Chinatown's water plot (MGW even referenced it when talking about the film). LTK using Yojimbo and A Fistful of Dollars as plot inspiration is another.

    Chinatown... and Once Upon a Time in the West. And Jean de Floret/Manon des Sources.

    Regarding villains, I think there's "old" villain and old villain. For the record, I don't think they should remake Goldfinger, Rosa Klebb, Grant, etc. That said, some villains were used almost in name only. I'd have no problem a new Mr Big named Buonaparte Ignace Gallia, a renamed Scaramanga looking more like his literary counterpart or the Spangs showing up.
  • Posts: 1,462
    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    The director might, for instance, want a more back to basics approach but with those Bondian elements/a modern twist and might revisit some Hitchcock or film noir movies for inspiration... come to think of it that's pretty much what The Batman did, but it can be any classic genre/film. Just depends on the story.

    I guess really it's kind of what the opening to CR did, in an aesthetic sense anyway.

    Definitely. Then you've got things like QOS using Chinatown's water plot (MGW even referenced it when talking about the film). LTK using Yojimbo and A Fistful of Dollars as plot inspiration is another.

    Chinatown... and Once Upon a Time in the West. And Jean de Floret/Manon des Sources.

    Regarding villains, I think there's "old" villain and old villain. For the record, I don't think they should remake Goldfinger, Rosa Klebb, Grant, etc. That said, some villains were used almost in name only. I'd have no problem a new Mr Big named Buonaparte Ignace Gallia, a renamed Scaramanga looking more like his literary counterpart or the Spangs showing up.

    Or they can make a new version of the villians without doing a remake, like Blofeld.

    Scaramanga is a cool name. It could be the title of the movie.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I would have no problem with a rebooted Scaramanga, taking inspiration from the Chris Lee version, just as the new Blofeld used parts of the old Eon versions too.
  • Posts: 1,462
    Live and let die is a good novel for a reboot. Everything problematic would have to be removed but the story itself could be used.

  • edited July 19 Posts: 373
    Inspired by today's real life event...

    https://news.sky.com/story/outages-latest-airports-business-and-broadcasters-experiencing-issues-worldwide-13180821

    SPECTRE sabotage the world's internet infrastructure and demand x amount of money from the west. The story would feature AI robots or drones that target the 00s.
  • Posts: 4,310
    Must admit I’m not a huge fan of Scaramanga from the novel. The film version is much more compelling. Simply casting Lee gives the character a more debonaire and even Bond-like quality that works better than the thuggish man we get in the novel. Even when they arguably adapted elements of the character in other films (notably Silva having his homoerotic moment with Bond, if that’s even adapted from Scaramanga) they’ve never used the character fully. I’d honestly go as far to say a faithful Scaramanga might work better as a henchman (and even then not necessarily a great one) than a main villain.

    Otherwise they could come up with interesting stuff loosely adapting, say, Grant’s backstory (it’s so weird and even something similar would be cool). Or Mr. Big (very underrated literary Bond villain).
  • Posts: 2,296
    007HallY wrote: »

    Or Mr. Big (very underrated literary Bond villain).

    I’m reading Live and Let Die for the first time, and having just finished the chapter 4 where they go into his backstory; I’m inclined to agree already!
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited July 19 Posts: 3,800
    007HallY wrote: »

    Or Mr. Big (very underrated literary Bond villain).

    I’m reading Live and Let Die for the first time, and having just finished the chapter 4 where they go into his backstory; I’m inclined to agree already!

    Why not? Put me on board too! I'm into this.
    007HallY wrote: »
    Must admit I’m not a huge fan of Scaramanga from the novel. The film version is much more compelling. Simply casting Lee gives the character a more debonaire and even Bond-like quality that works better than the thuggish man we get in the novel. Even when they arguably adapted elements of the character in other films (notably Silva having his homoerotic moment with Bond, if that’s even adapted from Scaramanga) they’ve never used the character fully. I’d honestly go as far to say a faithful Scaramanga might work better as a henchman (and even then not necessarily a great one) than a main villain.

    Otherwise they could come up with interesting stuff loosely adapting, say, Grant’s backstory (it’s so weird and even something similar would be cool). Or Mr. Big (very underrated literary Bond villain).

    To be fair to the Scaramanga in the novel, despite of the characterization, I liked his plot, much moreso than in the film, and probably makes more sense too:
    He learns that Scaramanga is involved in a hotel development on the island with a group of investors that consists of a syndicate of American gangsters and the KGB. Scaramanga and the other investors are also engaged in a scheme to destabilise Western interests in the Caribbean's sugar industry and increase the value of the Cuban sugar crop, running drugs into America, smuggling prostitutes from Mexico into America and operating casinos in Jamaica that will cause friction between tourists and the local people.

    I think this could be interesting in the next Bond film too.
  • edited July 19 Posts: 4,310
    007HallY wrote: »

    Or Mr. Big (very underrated literary Bond villain).

    I’m reading Live and Let Die for the first time, and having just finished the chapter 4 where they go into his backstory; I’m inclined to agree already!

    He gets even better later I think. I’d say he’s
    The first ‘proper’ Bond villain in the sense it’s the first time you see Bond go head to head with a megalomaniac with very twisted ambitions rather Le Chiffre who was simply a sadist trying to understandably save his own skin.

    Didn’t want to spoil anything for you if you didn’t know the plot of the book already/want to go into it blind, haha. Not that it’s anything too spoilerish just fyi.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    Inspired by today's real life event...

    https://news.sky.com/story/outages-latest-airports-business-and-broadcasters-experiencing-issues-worldwide-13180821

    SPECTRE sabotage the world's internet infrastructure and demand x amount of money from the west. The story would feature AI robots or drones that target the 00s.

    I had the same thought as well, it feels Bondian. It's similar to TND in a sense
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited July 19 Posts: 3,800
    bondywondy wrote: »
    Inspired by today's real life event...

    https://news.sky.com/story/outages-latest-airports-business-and-broadcasters-experiencing-issues-worldwide-13180821

    SPECTRE sabotage the world's internet infrastructure and demand x amount of money from the west. The story would feature AI robots or drones that target the 00s.

    Interesting idea, but quite predictable and could be a bit convoluted (writing wise), but again, could turned out well if handled properly, I think if considering a real life news event, maybe it should be months or few years after, so the story is complete, because as of now, this news is still fresh and unresolved yet, look at 'No Time To Die', with the news of coronavirus (COVID 19) still fresh at the time, the plot became convoluted because the real life inspiration for the plot itself was still unresolved and not complete.
    Like this current news, it's an interesting idea (nanobots) but it turned half baked and convoluted.

    I'm always afraid of injecting AIs, robots, drones in a Bond film, but..... (Maybe if it's not CGI, because I have the traumatic experience from a film named 'Die Another Day'), and even half of SPECTRE's effects were all used with CGIs instead of props.

    (I'm not amazed with most of CGIs in today's films, maybe with the exception of Dune).
  • edited July 19 Posts: 373
    The idea could have potential. You could exaggerate it a bit so the western world faces economic collapse or the internet is overwhelmed with viruses. Going with a huge cyber terrorism threat would make it feel very modern.

    I'd pitch it as Thunderball in vibe but cyber attack instead of atomic weapons. And I'd go with AI robots to give the franchise a sci-fi tone. Bond is a very old franchise so has to update itself to compete with all the other big franchises. With Amazon providing the cash why not go for a more sci-fi tone? Bond vs AI robots assassins. If that feels too 'Terminator' in vibe you can scale it down to drones.

    A cyber terrorism plot on a grand scale would be an obvious storyline if Eon can't find any other plots that excite them. We have no idea what direction Eon will go in for Bond 26.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
    edited July 19 Posts: 1,129
    bondywondy wrote: »
    The idea could have potential. You could exaggerate it a bit so the western world faces economic collapse or the internet is overwhelmed with viruses. Going with a huge cyber terrorism threat would make it feel very modern.

    I'd pitch it as Thunderball in vibe but cyber attack instead of atomic weapons. And I'd go with AI robots to give the franchise a sci-fi tone. Bond is a very old franchise so has to update itself to compete with all the other big franchises. With Amazon providing the cash why not go for a more sci-fi tone? Bond vs AI robots assassins. If that feels too 'Terminator' in vibe you can scale it down to drones.

    An early 90's draft for B17 had Dalton fighting an army of robot assassins, so it's not too far fetched.
  • ArapahoeBondFanArapahoeBondFan Colorado
    Posts: 72
    bondywondy wrote: »
    The idea could have potential. You could exaggerate it a bit so the western world faces economic collapse or the internet is overwhelmed with viruses. Going with a huge cyber terrorism threat would make it feel very modern.

    I'd pitch it as Thunderball in vibe but cyber attack instead of atomic weapons. And I'd go with AI robots to give the franchise a sci-fi tone. Bond is a very old franchise so has to update itself to compete with all the other big franchises. With Amazon providing the cash why not go for a more sci-fi tone? Bond vs AI robots assassins. If that feels too 'Terminator' in vibe you can scale it down to drones.

    A cyber terrorism plot on a grand scale would be an obvious storyline if Eon can't find any other plots that excite them. We have no idea what direction Eon will go in for Bond 26.

    Quite like it! Hold the world for ransom like they tend to do with hospitals around here.
  • Posts: 15,234
    007HallY wrote: »
    Must admit I’m not a huge fan of Scaramanga from the novel. The film version is much more compelling. Simply casting Lee gives the character a more debonaire and even Bond-like quality that works better than the thuggish man we get in the novel. Even when they arguably adapted elements of the character in other films (notably Silva having his homoerotic moment with Bond, if that’s even adapted from Scaramanga) they’ve never used the character fully. I’d honestly go as far to say a faithful Scaramanga might work better as a henchman (and even then not necessarily a great one) than a main villain.

    Otherwise they could come up with interesting stuff loosely adapting, say, Grant’s backstory (it’s so weird and even something similar would be cool). Or Mr. Big (very underrated literary Bond villain).

    Well, Scaramanga in the novel was pretty much a henchman who happened to be the villain. Not the best Bond villain, but an interesting approach nonetheless. I dream of a return of Mr Big, with the Haitian background, full name, his general appearance and his epic death. Change Solitaire's name and make her Black, to avoid any unfortunate racial connotations.
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