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That's the reason why NSNA fizzled. It wasn't enough to have Connery back, the film lacked some of the elements that make a Bond film a Bond film.
I won't argue the success of EON over the decades, but perfection, I can't go there. They haven't had the same writers, directors, and support over those years. Some films have been better than others using what we understand as the Bond formula: a certain style of film replete with elements specific to Bond films.
Not too many films left before create your own Bond becomes a reality. But it's that lack of elements owned by EON that will always set their films apart.
Yeah. I also think it has an idyllic look to it. Great photography and locations. It not being an official Bond film, of course affects it. No gunbarrel. No Bond theme. But somehow, I like the film. It's just easy viewing. I could prepare noodles and still watch it easy. Plus, there's Barbara Carrera's Fatima Blush... maybe the most sultry bad Bond babe. Lani Hall's song too is good.
Never said they were perfect. Just that they’d perfected the Bond formula.
I really don’t think it’s just due to the lack of gun barrel and theme either. It’s part of it but not entirely (I think if you were to tack on those things in a re-edit the film would still suck). Something about NSNA just doesn’t hold for me. It has the broad ideas - a chase here, an opening with Bond beating up goons. What it lacks is EON’s sense of creativity, imagination, style. That’s what I mean.
It makes a good double feature with Goldfinger.
Yeah. It's just a breeze through film. It's not a film to watch intensely. I'm not sure it would have even made that much money without Connery as the lead.
Quite a sweeping statement. Based on what evidence?
Trust him, he just knows.
If there's a script already, I would be waiting for an announcement if P&W would still continue or a new one would be on the talks.
Yeah. Something like that.
But as always, they usually need those two to kickstart a new Bond film. It's very possible Barbara has already told them to come up with ideas for Bond 26.
Yeah, other writers would most likely write Bond 26. But because of P&W's knowledge of Fleming, they always get involved. It's similar to how there are great directors out there...but still, EON don't consider a lot of them suitable for a Bond film.
I think the house of Eon has just grown comfortable with them and are reluctant to try someone else.
I do think it understands Bond, the massage scene is an example of that.
Wow, that's very cool, you don't mind me asking what was the purpose of him tinkering away with it?
I can imagine. Music is a big deal. It can completely alter the "flavours" of a film. But, indeed, I doubt that changing the music alone would do the trick. There are simply too many signature elements of the EON Bonds that NSNA could not use. And yes, those "cosmetics" matter.
On top of that, the unpolished look of the film, the quality of sound and image, are flaws no EON Bond would ever get away with. If apples and oranges can be compared, I'd say that DN looks better than NSNA. There's an amateurish quality to NSNA that I cannot ignore. It gets close to the EON Bonds, but it never quite gets there.
P&W are definitely two players I'd replace. I was frankly amazed that anyone would want them back after TWINE. I admit that they have produced solid writing as well, and I will give them credit for that, but the writing department needs new blood, I reckon.
Not trying to turn this thread into a P & W bashing thread, but it seems more and more people are getting tired of them. Sadly, it seems that them leaving the franchise is one of the few things that the Bond fandom generally agrees on. While I don't blame them for all mistakes in the writing department, it does feel that some of their trademarks have outstayed their welcome. If EON honestly brought them back, it would be the equivalent of bringing Guy Hamilton back on TSWLM. Maybe Amazon will tell EON no to them. No one else has hired them for Bond media in the last 25 years, apart from EON. That should be saying something. It's just simply time for Bond to change, in particular with the writing.
Couldn't agree more. NSNA is a lot of fun for me.
IMO, NSNA captures the classic Bond spirit more than some of the later Craig films. Though I love them all.
The bolded part is just not true, first and foremost because it misunderstands what it means for a screenwriter to be "hired" means. If a screenwriter is only working if something they wrote was produced and released, then there would be a lot of people who make a living writing screenplays who are apparently not working screenwriters. Were they ever contracted over the past two decades to write something that fell through? Were they ever hired to doctor other scripts? We don't know this — well actually we do, given a screenplay they wrote for Nicolas Winding Refn is, more likely than not, in the works again.
(Also: they wrote a TV show completely independent of EON that aired in 2017)
edit: Wait, I re-read this. You're saying no one hired them for other Bond media? What does this mean? They oversee everything except a bunch of continuation novels and comic books that would be well beneath their career! That's not relevant at all. It'd be like saying "Why doesn't Lawrence Kasdan write Star Wars novels?"
Because we do.
I don't think P&W are untalented hacks. But I'd like to see others take a crack at Bond.
As far as knowing Bond, they know their Bond, their version, their interpretation. They don't possess a knowledge others can't acquire. Bond has been out of commission for so long now, one could have read all the original Bonds and the continuation novels by now.