Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Posts: 1,340
    I don't care if they follow trends if the movie is well made and Bondian enough.

    Sometimes it's better than copying themselves.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    DN. Fu Manchu and Sax Rohmer, via Fleming,
  • Posts: 4,139
    007HallY wrote: »
    I can see the similarities between SF and John Wick, and the latter may well have been influenced by Bond. But it’s also worth saying movies always take things from other movies. It’s the way you create something. It’s a bit like Silva’s plan to get captured only to escape - a lot of people would say it was first done in The Dark Knight with Joker (it was definitely a plot trope that showed up in movies for a few years afterwards - Star Trek, Avengers, SF etc). I always say it’s basically a riff on Hannibal Lecter’s escape from Silence of the Lambs (there’s even interview scenes between the villains and the heroes in all of them where the villain, usually in a glass prison, gets the upper hand psychologically).

    Silence of the Lambs came out many years ago didn’t have Lecter deliberately getting caught after a long sequence where the good guys almost lose. A good story takes from much older material and adds something fresh and new that helps stamp its own identity on it - in the 70’s Star Wars took its ideas from all over the place (several sci-fi novelists considered suing), but it did so with such panache (and ground-breaking special effects) that it felt new; years later Raiders of the Lost Ark did the same thing. Skyfall unfortunately took a criticised plot-point from a very recent, very successful film, and failed to improve upon it. It’s one of my favourite Bond films, but that ‘this was the villain’s plan all along!!!’ plot-device is its weakest point.

    Yes, all films borrow ideas from somewhere else, but ideally they don’t take from something that was a big success just a few years previously, and most importantly they do it so well and put their own stamp upon it feels new, and feels like a quite natural place for the franchise to go. Moonraker, with its laser-pistol battle in space, would be an example of chasing a trend that feels rather out of place with the franchise’s identity.

    I actually thought it was pretty rubbish in TDK. Gordon fakes his own death earlier in the film (which makes no sense) to facilitate artificial character drama for Batman and have Joker get captured. The interrogation scene is good but the escape is nowhere near as good as Lambs. SF actually does it better in my opinion and it doesn’t dwell on Silva’s escape as much as it sets us up quickly for the tube chase, which is quite a unique Bond chase. If it’s lifted for plot necessity I’d say it’s minor. Both don’t make much sense when you think about them (why is it necessary for either villain to get captured logically speaking, at least beyond the villains eagerly wanting to confront certain characters) but both are fine as we tend to get swept up in the films. For me it’s a bit like the helicopter chase in FRWL being similar to the crop duster sequence in NBNW. They’re similar and the Bond example is probably influenced by the previous film, but it doesn’t matter as they’re both individual films.

    I’d say it’s pretty similar to Lambs to the point I’ve always recognised it. Again, not a criticism in itself, but I don’t think TDK improves on those basic ideas at all (again, the villain manipulating where they end up, getting the upper hand in an interrogation, thwarting guards in order to elaborately escape).

    I wouldn’t say MR feels out of place with cinematic Bond’s identity. It’s an example of capitalising on Sci Fi in movies from the time, but Bond movies were so elaborate and big, and it’d teased space travel in the past. No Bond movie is a rip off (rip offs are very particular anyway, and you’d instantly recognise them. They’re not just trends).
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I’m not a big fan of TDK. Pretty good watch the first time around because if its momentum, but subsequent viewings have left me cold. Ledger’s Joker is great, but I’m not keen on the rest, including the omniscient villain. The fact that the viewer is supposed to think the villain has failed, only to find out his capture is part of his plan… that’s weak in both TDK and SF, imo, and it is the big point of similarity. It’s been a long time since I last saw SotL but I don’t remember it having that plot-point. Like I said, though, I don’t remember it too well. As for Skyfall’s Trojan Horse… it’s silly to think that Q would plug in the computer to the restricted network considering the restrictions put in place in these establishments, but it needs to happen to move the plot along. I hate that Silva has planned to be captured - or maybe I should say I hate how it is presented; if it was said that this was merely a contingency plan in case of capture I would have preferred it. As it is, the film seems to want to wow us with a plot-point that’s the same as a much criticised plot-point from another film only a few years previously. Funnily enough Mendes does the same again with the ‘Brofeld’ reveal in Spectre, which is regrettably similar to the much-maligned twist in Star Trek into Darkness.

    When it comes to Moonraker, Bond in a pitched laser battle in space is for me a step too far.
  • Posts: 1,985
    @Peter - Most of what's done on film has been done before. We get that! I don't regard that as borrowing. If we want to go back to the first car chase ever filmed, let's give credit to that film because its chase has been borrowed thousands of times. Certainly, there are iconic sequences that influence later films. For example, Bullitt and The French Connection didn't invent the car chase, but they did do something pretty cool with it. But having seen numerous car chases in a Bond film, I don't see that as borrowing from B or TFC.

    My preference is that Bond films don't obviously borrow from earlier or currently successful films. I prefer not to see a new Bond film that reminds of John Wick, or The Equalizer, Batman, etc.

    I have a genuine admiration for the craft of screenwriting and firmly believe there a lot of hugely talented writers in the film industry. Even with the same but different mentality, I'd like to think we can see Bond films that don't feel it necessary to borrow from other films. Yes, there will always be sequences that remind us of films and sequences we've seen before. But during a writers' conference if someone says, "let's do a Joker thing," that to me shows a lack imagination and originality.

  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited October 20 Posts: 6,296
    But that's *exactly* how Bond survives, by adapting to the marketplace around it.

    When Eon doesn't borrow from current films, it borrows from itself. That's how we get YOLT, TSWLM, FYEO, etc.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @CrabKey , I understand your complaints, but I didn't understand what you were saying above, hence why I asked what you meant with the hi-lighted quote!!

    And I think you're missing my point, as it somewhat agrees with you: nothing is original. Nothing. The creativity comes in how we spin all the old stories.

    I don't think at any time I advocated copying sequences like car chases, or the like.

    And do you know if a writer's meeting happened where it was suggested that Bond "do a Joker thing"?

    I don't think the EoN creative meetings do this at all, and it's more our perception that the Silva escape sequence is *similar* to the Joker one. But I'd put money down on the fact that this Skyfall sequence was created organically, without the writers consciously saying, "ohhh this is just like in The Dark Knight!"...

    Do you think they also watched Austin Powers and said, "brilliant!! Powers and Dr Evil are brothers!! Let's crib this, and make Blofeld and Bond brothers too!!", or;

    "Hey, in Home Alone, Culkin builds homemade contraptions to foil the two goons. Let's borrow this concept for Bond in our Skyfall climax!"...

    Audience perceptions, but organic creative writing.

    This is somewhat why it's so hard to prove plagiarism in screenwriting, or why two films, with similar subjects, are released in the same year.

    Creatively we all pull from the same well!!

  • Looking forward to Bond 26 when it arrives in 2035 or sometime around then!
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited October 20 Posts: 693
    slide_99 wrote: »
    Skyfall wasn't a trend-setter. If anything, it was one of the biggest examples of trend-chasing in the franchise, along with Moonraker and QOS. People were calling it The Dark Bond due to how derivative it was of Nolan's Batman movies.

    The only way the Bond series can set the trends is if B26 does its own thing without caring what other franchises are doing. A return to the fun, colorful style of the 60s movies would be the complete opposite of what's popular at the moment, but I don't know if the producers have the guts to do that.

    Why is being a tend setter important? It wasn’t in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s. Bond did just fine in those decades.

    And how would making the movies like it’s the 60s again make it a “trend setter”?

    I don't personally care whether Bond films set trends at this point. I just want them to be Bond movies.
    007HallY wrote: »
    Again, take The Dark Knight which supposedly SF has similarities to. There’s nothing in there that hadn’t been done before, and by the director’s own words was consciously created with other movies in mind. A villain elaborately escaping from prison and psychologically gaining the upper hand from the hero during an interrogation? Silence of the Lambs, and the similar segment in SF evokes that film too. A major character being killed unexpectedly far into the story? Psycho. Even Burn After Reading from the same year as TDK did that, amongst many other examples which is how broad a plot point it is. Severine’s death in SF isn’t anything new either in that sense. Batman gets given gadgets which has similarities to a typical Bond/Q scene. The bank heist and truck chase in TDK have visual similarities to similar scenes in Heat and LA Takedown. There’s more examples, but that’s just the big ones (I’m sure when you start going deeper into the general ideas of both films they’ll start to look very similar to other movies from years previously).

    Hannibal didn't want to be captured, though. He was already in prison. And the whole sequence of Silva's escape and attack on M was clearly , right down to the dialogue ("he wanted us to capture him") and escaping in a stolen police car, cribbed from TDK. So was some of the music (the piece that plays when M and Kincaid sneak out of Skyfall sounds exactly like Batman's theme) and imagery (Bond standing on a rooftop overlooking his city as his coat flaps around him like a cape, not very Bondian). The filmmakers clearly saw what Nolan did with Batman and said, "Let's do that, but for Bond."

    Of course, Bond movies were always products of their time. The early Connery films were very Hitchcockian. LALD capitalized off of Blaxploitation, TMWTGG off the Bruce Lee/martial arts fad in early 70s. Moonraker was made before FYEO solely because of Star Wars' success. Licence to Kill's more brutal approach to Bond fits squarely into violent 80s action fare like Die Hard and Lethal Weapon. Die Another Day takes its goofy aesthetic from early 2000s action shlock like xXx and the F&F movies, not to mention video games.

    But none of that ever made me think, "they're just copying [x franchise]." Skyfall was simply too blatant, to the point where it didn't seem to have its own identity as a movie. I don't think it's a bad movie on its own, just a bad Bond movie.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    The filmmakers clearly saw what Nolan did with Batman and said, "Let's do that, but for Bond."

    Probably not, but perception is reality, so…
  • edited October 20 Posts: 4,139
    slide_99 wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    Skyfall wasn't a trend-setter. If anything, it was one of the biggest examples of trend-chasing in the franchise, along with Moonraker and QOS. People were calling it The Dark Bond due to how derivative it was of Nolan's Batman movies.

    The only way the Bond series can set the trends is if B26 does its own thing without caring what other franchises are doing. A return to the fun, colorful style of the 60s movies would be the complete opposite of what's popular at the moment, but I don't know if the producers have the guts to do that.

    Why is being a tend setter important? It wasn’t in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s. Bond did just fine in those decades.

    And how would making the movies like it’s the 60s again make it a “trend setter”?

    I don't personally care whether Bond films set trends at this point. I just want them to be Bond movies.
    007HallY wrote: »
    Again, take The Dark Knight which supposedly SF has similarities to. There’s nothing in there that hadn’t been done before, and by the director’s own words was consciously created with other movies in mind. A villain elaborately escaping from prison and psychologically gaining the upper hand from the hero during an interrogation? Silence of the Lambs, and the similar segment in SF evokes that film too. A major character being killed unexpectedly far into the story? Psycho. Even Burn After Reading from the same year as TDK did that, amongst many other examples which is how broad a plot point it is. Severine’s death in SF isn’t anything new either in that sense. Batman gets given gadgets which has similarities to a typical Bond/Q scene. The bank heist and truck chase in TDK have visual similarities to similar scenes in Heat and LA Takedown. There’s more examples, but that’s just the big ones (I’m sure when you start going deeper into the general ideas of both films they’ll start to look very similar to other movies from years previously).

    Hannibal didn't want to be captured, though. He was already in prison. And the whole sequence of Silva's escape and attack on M was clearly , right down to the dialogue ("he wanted us to capture him") and escaping in a stolen police car, cribbed from TDK. So was some of the music (the piece that plays when M and Kincaid sneak out of Skyfall sounds exactly like Batman's theme) and imagery (Bond standing on a rooftop overlooking his city as his coat flaps around him like a cape, not very Bondian). The filmmakers clearly saw what Nolan did with Batman and said, "Let's do that, but for Bond."

    Of course, Bond movies were always products of their time. The early Connery films were very Hitchcockian. LALD capitalized off of Blaxploitation, TMWTGG off the Bruce Lee/martial arts fad in early 70s. Moonraker was made before FYEO solely because of Star Wars' success. Licence to Kill's more brutal approach to Bond fits squarely into violent 80s action fare like Die Hard and Lethal Weapon. Die Another Day takes its goofy aesthetic from early 2000s action shlock like xXx and the F&F movies, not to mention video games.

    But none of that ever made me think, "they're just copying [x franchise]." Skyfall was simply too blatant, to the point where it didn't seem to have its own identity as a movie. I don't think it's a bad movie on its own, just a bad Bond movie.

    Like I said, Lambs involves Lecter effectively manipulating where he ends up. It’s always felt cut from the same cloth but nowhere near as good in TDK. SF just uses the basic idea and leads into a unique Bond chase. If it’s been cribbed i personally didn’t feel it that much as they feel like different films (especially the police car stuff - never thought of that as it’s such a blink and you’ll miss it moment in TDK but so prominent to the plot in SF).

    I’m really having to squint to see a lot of that to be completely honest with you mate (the stuff about Bond on a rooftop looking over London especially. For me I just don’t see it as being anything like TDK. The cinematography of TDK reminds me more of Heat than any other film before or since).

    It’s like I said in another thread, it’s interesting how we can view the same film so differently. I think it’s one of the best Bond films and succeeds on that level.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    007HallY wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    Skyfall wasn't a trend-setter. If anything, it was one of the biggest examples of trend-chasing in the franchise, along with Moonraker and QOS. People were calling it The Dark Bond due to how derivative it was of Nolan's Batman movies.

    The only way the Bond series can set the trends is if B26 does its own thing without caring what other franchises are doing. A return to the fun, colorful style of the 60s movies would be the complete opposite of what's popular at the moment, but I don't know if the producers have the guts to do that.

    Why is being a tend setter important? It wasn’t in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s. Bond did just fine in those decades.

    And how would making the movies like it’s the 60s again make it a “trend setter”?

    I don't personally care whether Bond films set trends at this point. I just want them to be Bond movies.
    007HallY wrote: »
    Again, take The Dark Knight which supposedly SF has similarities to. There’s nothing in there that hadn’t been done before, and by the director’s own words was consciously created with other movies in mind. A villain elaborately escaping from prison and psychologically gaining the upper hand from the hero during an interrogation? Silence of the Lambs, and the similar segment in SF evokes that film too. A major character being killed unexpectedly far into the story? Psycho. Even Burn After Reading from the same year as TDK did that, amongst many other examples which is how broad a plot point it is. Severine’s death in SF isn’t anything new either in that sense. Batman gets given gadgets which has similarities to a typical Bond/Q scene. The bank heist and truck chase in TDK have visual similarities to similar scenes in Heat and LA Takedown. There’s more examples, but that’s just the big ones (I’m sure when you start going deeper into the general ideas of both films they’ll start to look very similar to other movies from years previously).

    Hannibal didn't want to be captured, though. He was already in prison. And the whole sequence of Silva's escape and attack on M was clearly , right down to the dialogue ("he wanted us to capture him") and escaping in a stolen police car, cribbed from TDK. So was some of the music (the piece that plays when M and Kincaid sneak out of Skyfall sounds exactly like Batman's theme) and imagery (Bond standing on a rooftop overlooking his city as his coat flaps around him like a cape, not very Bondian). The filmmakers clearly saw what Nolan did with Batman and said, "Let's do that, but for Bond."

    Of course, Bond movies were always products of their time. The early Connery films were very Hitchcockian. LALD capitalized off of Blaxploitation, TMWTGG off the Bruce Lee/martial arts fad in early 70s. Moonraker was made before FYEO solely because of Star Wars' success. Licence to Kill's more brutal approach to Bond fits squarely into violent 80s action fare like Die Hard and Lethal Weapon. Die Another Day takes its goofy aesthetic from early 2000s action shlock like xXx and the F&F movies, not to mention video games.

    But none of that ever made me think, "they're just copying [x franchise]." Skyfall was simply too blatant, to the point where it didn't seem to have its own identity as a movie. I don't think it's a bad movie on its own, just a bad Bond movie.

    Like I said, Lambs involves Lecter effectively manipulating where he ends up. It’s always felt cut from the same cloth but nowhere near as good in TDK. SF just uses the basic idea and leads into a unique Bond chase. If it’s been cribbed i personally didn’t feel it that much as they feel like different films (especially the police car stuff - never thought of that as it’s such a blink and you’ll miss it moment in TDK but so prominent to the plot in SF).

    I’m really having to squint to see a lot of that to be completely honest with you mate (the stuff about Bond on a rooftop looking over London especially. For me I just don’t see it as being anything like TDK. The cinematography of TDK reminds me more of Heat than any other film before or since).

    It’s like I said in another thread, it’s interesting how we can view the same film so differently. I think it’s one of the best Bond films and succeeds on that level.

    Agreed.

    Once again, we are all pulling from the same creative well.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited October 20 Posts: 420
    delfloria wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Today I had an interesting conversation with my Gen Z students. I asked what characteristics define their generation. "We don't care about anything." I pressed a little more, but nothing. Their interest in DC and Marvel films is declining: too many and too repetitious. Bond? Some knew of him and others didn't. Couldn't remember if they'd seen a Bond film. What might get them into the theater? A hot, young Bond. According to one, if they make the film and it's good, it'll probably be successful.

    Some knew of him and others didn't. This is what I encounter as well. Having said that, how could ANYONE not know who James Bond is?!?!?!?!!?!?!!?

    I visit some relatives once a year for a long weekend, currently the kids are 13 and 8 years old

    Their natural inclination is to spend every waking moment of every day on a computer playing games, unless forced not to. Last year it was Minecraft, this year its Roblox.

    It doesn't matter what the weather is like outside, they remain unmoved (I guess adults can take some of the blame for that for having damaged the ozone and increasing the likelyhood of skin cancer).

    They don't watch any TV programs anymore, but do sometimes watch movies. When they have friends over to visit they all sit around in a circle playing a communal game on their devices. They interact verbally, but visually their eyes remain glued to their personal screens

    It reminds me of some sort of Sci-Fi / Horror movie like "The Midwich Cuckoos" or "Children of the Corn".

    I foresee a future with no performing arts at all, outside of those who make computer games...

  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Seve wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Today I had an interesting conversation with my Gen Z students. I asked what characteristics define their generation. "We don't care about anything." I pressed a little more, but nothing. Their interest in DC and Marvel films is declining: too many and too repetitious. Bond? Some knew of him and others didn't. Couldn't remember if they'd seen a Bond film. What might get them into the theater? A hot, young Bond. According to one, if they make the film and it's good, it'll probably be successful.

    Some knew of him and others didn't. This is what I encounter as well. Having said that, how could ANYONE not know who James Bond is?!?!?!?!!?!?!!?

    I visit some relatives once a year for a long weekend, currently the kids are 13 and 8 years old

    Their natural inclination is to spend every waking moment of every day on a computer playing games, unless forced not to. Last year it was Minecraft, this year its Roblox.

    It doesn't matter what the weather is like outside, they remain unmoved (I guess adults can take some of the blame for that for having damaged the ozone and increasing the likelyhood of skin cancer).

    They don't watch any TV programs anymore, but do sometimes watch movies. When they have friends over to visit they all sit around in a circle playing a communal game on their devices. They interact verbally, but visually their eyes remain glued to their personal screens

    It reminds me of some sort of Sci-Fi / Horror movie like "The Midwich Cuckoos" or "Children of the Corn".

    I foresee a future with no performing arts at all, outside of those who make computer games...

    I planned to watch a lot of TV this weekend in order to make the most of my last day of Amazon Prime. Instead I’ve played hours and hours of Hades. Even my sister has a Switch. Video games are only going to become more dominant, and Eon are smart to be exploring that aspect of the Bond franchise.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Seve wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Today I had an interesting conversation with my Gen Z students. I asked what characteristics define their generation. "We don't care about anything." I pressed a little more, but nothing. Their interest in DC and Marvel films is declining: too many and too repetitious. Bond? Some knew of him and others didn't. Couldn't remember if they'd seen a Bond film. What might get them into the theater? A hot, young Bond. According to one, if they make the film and it's good, it'll probably be successful.

    Some knew of him and others didn't. This is what I encounter as well. Having said that, how could ANYONE not know who James Bond is?!?!?!?!!?!?!!?

    I visit some relatives once a year for a long weekend, currently the kids are 13 and 8 years old

    Their natural inclination is to spend every waking moment of every day on a computer playing games, unless forced not to. Last year it was Minecraft, this year its Roblox.

    It doesn't matter what the weather is like outside, they remain unmoved (I guess adults can take some of the blame for that for having damaged the ozone and increasing the likelyhood of skin cancer).

    They don't watch any TV programs anymore, but do sometimes watch movies. When they have friends over to visit they all sit around in a circle playing a communal game on their devices. They interact verbally, but visually their eyes remain glued to their personal screens

    It reminds me of some sort of Sci-Fi / Horror movie like "The Midwich Cuckoos" or "Children of the Corn".

    I foresee a future with no performing arts at all, outside of those who make computer games...

    I planned to watch a lot of TV this weekend in order to make the most of my last day of Amazon Prime. Instead I’ve played hours and hours of Hades. Even my sister has a Switch. Video games are only going to become more dominant, and Eon are smart to be exploring that aspect of the Bond franchise.

    I'm a millennial. I think that parents playing video games with their kids will be as common as tossing a ball in the yard. My generation will probably be the first generation to do that. Actors will be pretty much needed in every media possible. So don't worry. Some kids will favor the older stuff. James Bond will be no different.
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    @Peter - I used car chases as a general example. I didn't suggest you or anyone else said that. My joker comment is predicated on an "if," that were the case. I believe we're on the same page.
  • edited October 21 Posts: 164
    I think @sandbagger1 raises a valid point. People's interest in films does seem to be declining, which makes sense given the wide variety of entertainment options available today. However, I’ve noticed a growing interest in TV series. Take the recent success of The Penguin, for example. While a typical action movie runs around 2.5 to 3 hours, each episode of this series is roughly one hour, and with 8 episodes so far, viewers are committing at least 166.67% more time to the series compared to a single film. This, in a way, contradicts the original point.

    So perhaps the conversation isn’t about whether people will continue to enjoy Bond — I’m confident they will — but more about the format. In an era of fast consumption and shorter attention spans, especially with the younger generation, people may prefer content that's delivered in shorter, more manageable segments. And with Amazon’s acquisition of MGM, I’d be surprised if they don’t explore this within the next 10 years, especially before Bond enters the public domain.
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    A Bond TV series would be akin to Lois & Clark or Smallville. Might have some regular viewers but would lose its sense of wonderment. It's difficult enough to have one Bond on screen in his element.
  • Posts: 4,139
    Maybe I’m a bit more optimistic, or perhaps my interactions with ‘younger people’ tend to be more with people in their 20s than mid teens (and people who share similar interests to me), but I’d say it’s worth remembering we live in a world where so many films and shows from the past are a tap away. I’ve always gotten the sense for those interested in film they’ll always gravitate to it and have been introduced to a lot more at a younger age. In many ways it’s like reading fiction nowadays - I know a few with absolutely no interest in books (which I find a bit sad as I’m a big reader, albeit one who got into it regularly a bit later) but those who do are very invested in it and even inexplicably spend money buying books, much like people who spend money going to the cinema (in fact given the right film it’s Gen Z and Millennials in their 30s who are more likely to see it in cinemas, not older viewers).

    As long as there’s some form of cinema (ideally that gets that initial theatrical release) there’ll be Bond films. Video games and tv will and have existed alongside cinema and are equally valid.
  • Nolan finished filming his last movie in May 2022 and will start shooting his next one in a few months.

    EON finished filming the last Bond movie in October 2019 and they won't start filming the next one for several years.

    Let that sink in.
  • Nolan also didn’t have to worry about a pandemic shutting down the film industry, locking a final release date in order to get the most out of the box office during said pandemic, the Amazon buy-out, the 60th Anniversay Celebrations, a Reality TV Show, a video game in development (2 if we’re counting Cypher 007) and numerous strikes.

    Oh and there’s also that tiny issue of replacing one of the, if not the most beloved actor to play Bond…
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Nolan finished filming his last movie in May 2022 and will start shooting his next one in a few months.

    EON finished filming the last Bond movie in October 2019 and they won't start filming the next one for several years.

    Let that sink in.

    I'm trying to work out why I care...Oh, because I don't.
    Film making is not quite as easy as it appears in your head.

    Let that sink in.
  • Posts: 1,985
    Has anyone suggested filmmaking is easy?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Has anyone suggested filmmaking is easy?

    Unless you are Woody Allen or Adam Sandler, no.
  • Posts: 1,985
    My comment is in reference to contributors here. Criticism of EON is often met with that comment. Since you mention W.A. and A.S., have either of those two said filmmaking is easy?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,135
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Has anyone suggested filmmaking is easy?

    You obviously don’t read the posts of Colonel_Venus @CrabKey
  • Posts: 1,985
    Save me the trouble, just quote it.
    or
    @Colonel_Venus - Did you say that?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Nolan finished filming his last movie in May 2022 and will start shooting his next one in a few months.

    EON finished filming the last Bond movie in October 2019 and they won't start filming the next one for several years.

    Let that sink in.

    @CrabKey its all open to interpretation, but this to me is saying that a master like Nolan would’ve scripted and be ready to shoot shortly, if he were given the green light from EON.

    As if EON are sat on their hands while we all wait for Bond 26.

    The truth however is film making is not quite that straightforward. Add to that that EON are under no obligation or on any time frame to release the next Bond film.

    We can discuss and debate as much as we like, but they hold all the cards. We’re fans who have no control over anything that happens.
  • edited October 22 Posts: 561
    Nolan finished filming his last movie in May 2022 and will start shooting his next one in a few months.

    EON finished filming the last Bond movie in October 2019 and they won't start filming the next one for several years.

    Let that sink in.

    This is a false comparison, as if the benchmark is "film" then EON has released films since "No Time to Die".
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    My comment is in reference to contributors here. Criticism of EON is often met with that comment. Since you mention W.A. and A.S., have either of those two said filmmaking is easy?

    They usually take a easy idea, throw it together, and release it. At least once a year for both. Although filmmaking probably has gotten harder for Woody Allen, as no major studio wants to release his work.

    As for EON, let them cook. Ironically, Barbara Broccoli has fully produced 9 movies in her name. So did Harry Saltzman, before he left EON. For other projects. Maybe history might be repeating itself. Gregg Wilson may seriously be gearing up for taking the big job. This is all me just thinking. NOT STATING FACT! Like some others on here.
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