Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited November 8 Posts: 6,304
    007HallY wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    From what I’ve seen of Gabel he was much more gentlemanly and polished than Connery, who was a lot more raw as a screen presence. I suppose it’s the same with Mason. I think by the 60s a film Bond was always going to be slightly grittier and more of an anti-hero (as much as Bond can be anyway) rather than the image of an English/Transatlantic gentleman. More a Sean Connery or Stanley Baker than a Cary Grant. To some extent that’s something that’s actually stayed, even in the portrayals of Moore and Brosnan.

    And arguably, that's what gave Bond international appeal. And a certain sexual dynamism.

    There's a bit of old-school stuffiness about Mason and Niven (and frankly, Fleming) that I don't think would have had worked on-screen, ultimately.

    Yeah, I agree. The likes of Gabel, Niven, and Mason were aging even when Fleming was writing, and in the US stars like Brando and Dean were popping up (younger, more overtly sexual, more raw etc). Even the Bond comics from the later 50s started making the character more weathered looking. I think EON stumbled on that dynamic with Connery, and it’s a good thing they did. They could have played it safe and gone with an older, established, and even gentlemanly star, but where would Bond be now?

    It’s probably a good lesson for this time round come to think of it.

    Really insightful point about Brando and Dean and how the '50s film trends influenced Bond into the early '60s.

    I also think it's very fortunate that they shot DN in color (to showcase Jamaica?), which was not a given in 1962.

    Can you imagine a B/W GF? I can't.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes, the early Bond films basically are taking the tone of North By Northwest and giving it a spin (so much that they even rip off the most famous sequence from that) but as good as Cary Grant is, Connery is a more modern screen hero and is just sexier, as Deke says.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited November 9 Posts: 685
    007HallY wrote: »
    From what I’ve seen of Gabel he was much more gentlemanly and polished than Connery, who was a lot more raw as a screen presence. I suppose it’s the same with Mason. I think by the 60s a film Bond was always going to be slightly grittier and more of an anti-hero (as much as Bond can be anyway) rather than the image of an English/Transatlantic gentleman. More a Sean Connery or Stanley Baker than a Cary Grant. I believe that’s something that’s actually stayed, even in the portrayals of Moore and Brosnan.

    I think there are definite similarities between Connery and Gable when considering what they represented in their respective eras. When Gable first appeared he was referred to as "Rudolph Valentino with a knuckleduster". He was seen as more virile and macho than the typical matinee idol leading men of the time. Some of his earliest roles were as brutish heavies in gangster pictures. Even in Gone with the Wind (which I confess, I've not seen in it's entirety) He tells Scarlett to "shut your stupid mouth" and "if you were a man I'd break your neck."

    Doris Day said he was "as masculine as any man I've ever known." Likewise, Joan Crawford declared him "the most masculine man that I have ever met in my life. Gable had balls."
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    Loving the Clark Gable love on here. He had it all. I can never get enough of the Golden Age of Hollywood.
    I watched CHARADE for the first time in years, and really enjoyed the espionage intrigue. Cary Grant and Audrey Hepburn were superb. I actually thought Cary Grant was quite Bondian in this film. Moreso than NORTH BY NORTHWEST (which I also love). Nearing 60 he was as dashing, charming and energetic as ever. Great rooftop fight sequence, which reminded me of that Dalton LARKS commercial from the early 90s. Very Bondian. I loved it.
    I'd really love if the next Bond era has a classic Hollywood magic to it. There's a rewatchble factor to old Hollywood for me. For instance, I watch Bogart films easily as often as I watch Bond.
    Most modern films, even popular ones like THE DARK KNIGHT I may only watch once........maybe twice.

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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Loving the Clark Gable love on here. He had it all. I can never get enough of the Golden Age of Hollywood.
    I watched CHARADE for the first time in years, and really enjoyed the espionage intrigue. Cary Grant and Audrey Hepburn were superb. I actually thought Cary Grant was quite Bondian in this film. Moreso than NORTH BY NORTHWEST (which I also love). Nearing 60 he was as dashing, charming and energetic as ever. Great rooftop fight sequence, which reminded me of that Dalton LARKS commercial from the early 90s. Very Bondian. I loved it.
    I'd really love if the next Bond era has a classic Hollywood magic to it. There's a rewatchble factor to old Hollywood for me. For instance, I watch Bogart films easily as often as I watch Bond.
    Most modern films, even popular ones like THE DARK KNIGHT I may only watch once........maybe twice.

    I agree mate, re Grant in Charade. He's a lot more cool, confident and debonair. His character in North by Northwest, he's an everyman caught up in a bizarre and dangerous situation!
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited November 9 Posts: 2,044
    I think Grant was also really cool...way back in Hitchcock's Notorious. The way he moved and delivered his lines and all that, knowing his role demanded that coolness.
    True, that in North By Northwest he was playing an everyday man. It explains some of his mannerisms, posturing and even the way he ran. Great actor Grant was, knowing the script demanded him to act that way.
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    Grant would only have done one, and what a miss that would have been for us!
    It's funny, but as there been a video on YT made about the original Bond casting?
    You can see what they were aiming for once you look at Richard Johnson.
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    Sometimes a celebrity becomes a character due to the uniqueness of their voice and mannerisms. I feel Bond would have become Grant instead of Grant becoming Bond. He would always be Grant first which I feel would have hindered the character.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited November 9 Posts: 2,044
    I do wonder if Stewart Granger was ever considered, though. He had a Fleming look to him.
  • edited November 9 Posts: 728
    Eddie Redmayne for me is a new Bond contender after watching the first few episodes of the brilliant Day of the Jackal remake. Top top actor.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    He's definitely a villain. Certainly not Bond for me.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Eddie Redmayne for me is a new Bond contender after watching the first few episodes of the brilliant Day of the Jackal remake. Top top actor.

    I certainly hope not. I cannot stand the man's face. He's a good actor, don't get me wrong, but there's something about his mouth that makes watching the Fantastic Beasts films almost impossible for me, regardless of the many other problems those films suffer from.

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  • DarthDimi wrote: »
    Eddie Redmayne for me is a new Bond contender after watching the first few episodes of the brilliant Day of the Jackal remake. Top top actor.

    I certainly hope not. I cannot stand the man's face. He's a good actor, don't get me wrong, but there's something about his mouth that makes watching the Fantastic Beasts films almost impossible for me, regardless of the many other problems those films suffer from.

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    A lot of people said the same about Daniel Craig when cast. That worked out quite well didn’t it.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Yeah, I'm actually preparing for anything. Amazon did say interesting names have popped up during their conversations with EON. I believe by interesting names, they mean names we wouldn't expect for Bond. I don't think it would be Redmayne. But it could be someone that might shock us.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Eddie Redmayne for me is a new Bond contender after watching the first few episodes of the brilliant Day of the Jackal remake. Top top actor.

    I certainly hope not. I cannot stand the man's face. He's a good actor, don't get me wrong, but there's something about his mouth that makes watching the Fantastic Beasts films almost impossible for me, regardless of the many other problems those films suffer from.

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    A lot of people said the same about Daniel Craig when cast. That worked out quite well didn’t it.

    The Craig-haters typically included everything: "ugly," "bland," and "bad actor." I've seen Redmayne act quite a bit, and I think he's a terrific actor—certainly not bland or anything.

    My only problem is mine and mine alone: I (as in me) find him difficult to look at when he makes those weird faces, like a plastic doll exposed to too much heat. I know this is a purely subjective thing, so please don't lump me in with the idiots who started their anti-Craig campaigns on the Internet back in the day. Their complaints were all over the place.

    I certainly don't think Eddie shows a lot of Bond potential overall, though. He lacks a certain masculinity in my opinion, regardless of how I feel about his looks. I'd certainly advocate casting him as Q or even as a villain. In fact, give him a few years of maturing, and I'd welcome him as M. I simply don't see the Bond in him, is all.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited November 10 Posts: 3,152
    My father looked like a cross between Clark Gable and Elvis. Unfortunately, I look like my mother! Not even kidding. Agree with Darth Dimi re. Eddie Redmayne. Clearly a good actor, but I can't see a potential Bond there, tbh. He's still got some of that boyish quality about him - not something anyone ever accused Craig of. A villain? Yes, I can see that.
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    I’m not a fan of Redmayne as an actor (thought he was awful in The Dutch Girl). I don’t see anything Bondian in him. Even as a villain I’d be skeptical.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    Seems more suited for Doctor Who.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Seems more suited for Doctor Who.

    Yes...
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I did think his performance and character in those Harry Potter films was very consciously ripping off Matt Smith's Doctor Who.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I find Redmayne overrated. I mean, he's fine but nothing special.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Seems more suited for Doctor Who.
    I can't unsee that now! :-O
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited November 11 Posts: 685
    007HallY wrote: »
    I’m not a fan of Redmayne as an actor (thought he was awful in The Dutch Girl). I don’t see anything Bondian in him. Even as a villain I’d be skeptical.

    Although he's in his 40s, he's still got a very boyish, ethereal quality to him, which is ideal for fantasy roles, but not so suitable for masculine action adventure roles.

    He also suffers from the same problem as actors like Tom Hiddleston and Benedict Cumberbatch. He's got a very strong whiff of the public school about him. Granted, Bond is a public schoolboy, but he's got more of a rough edge to him. I imagine that's why Eon has always avoided such actors.
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    Having recently watched The Night Manager, that was my first time seeing Hiddleston. Not Craig, but certainly not Moore. Could be an interesting choice. A Bond with a little more polish.
  • The next Bond actor probably hasn’t been born yet the way EON are going!
  • edited November 11 Posts: 4,162
    007HallY wrote: »
    I’m not a fan of Redmayne as an actor (thought he was awful in The Dutch Girl). I don’t see anything Bondian in him. Even as a villain I’d be skeptical.

    Although he's in his 40s, he's still got a very boyish, ethereal quality to him, which is ideal for fantasy roles, but not so suitable for masculine action adventure roles.

    He also suffers from the same problem as actors like Tom Hiddleston and Benedict Cumberbatch. He's got a very strong whiff of the public school about him. Granted, Bond is a public schoolboy, but he's got more of a rough edge to him. I imagine that's why Eon has always avoided such actors.

    Yes, I think despite Bond’s background that public schoolboy whiff can never be there. It’s one of the strange things about casting Bond - none of the actors themselves have had similar backgrounds to the character (the majority of them are from working class backgrounds in fact, which is quite unusual when you compare Bond actors to Sherlock Holmes ones). That’s not to say the actor’s background matters in itself. It’s just how they come across. Even Roger Moore as Bond with his RADA accent had an irony, magnetism, and harder edge to him you don’t quite get with actors like David Niven from the time.

    Redmayne just doesn’t have that edge or gravitas to him. I’m sure he’s a nice guy, but there’s nothing Bondian about him, and I don’t think he’s anywhere near a good enough actor to mould himself to the role (in fact he’s done surprisingly little screen work since 2020. I’d thought he’d gone a similar way to Tom Hooper until Jackal as he’s done some terrible work that I think has set his career back slightly - Jupiter Ascending being an example, and even Danish Girl has its pushback rightly or wrongly).
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited November 11 Posts: 2,044
    Yeah, Redmayne's performance in Jupiter Ascending is actually unintentional comedy. He was at the height of his powers, when he unfortunately did that film. But then again, the whole film is unintentional comedy too.
    Channing Tatum and Vanessa Kirby are lucky their career still survived after that film. One could say that was the film that ended Mila Kunis' rise.
  • edited November 11 Posts: 4,162
    Yeah, Redmayne's performance in Jupiter Ascending is actually unintentional comedy. He was at the height of his powers, when he unfortunately did that film. But then again, the whole film is unintentional comedy too.
    Channing Tatum and Vanessa Kirby are lucky their career still survived after that film. One could say that was the film that ended Mila Kunis' rise.

    I remember Redmayne being a relatively big up and coming actor around that mid to late 2010’s period. The guy even won an Oscar. But yeah, his performance in Jupiter Ascending was downright embarrassing. Even Fantastic Beasts hasn’t gone anywhere (not his fault in itself, but I don’t think he quite carried those films as one would suspect with his fame). He likely had a kid or is concentrating on theatre or whatever, but he’s not really done anything as major as one would expect past 2020. Maybe I’m being harsh on him, but it’s always been a bit strange to me that he got as far as he did. Maybe The Jackal will change my opinion of him.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It's being shown on Sky Showcase, you don't necessarily need Atlantic or Now to see it.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Yeah, Redmayne's performance in Jupiter Ascending is actually unintentional comedy. He was at the height of his powers, when he unfortunately did that film. But then again, the whole film is unintentional comedy too.
    Channing Tatum and Vanessa Kirby are lucky their career still survived after that film. One could say that was the film that ended Mila Kunis' rise.

    I remember Redmayne being a relatively big up and coming actor around that mid to late 2010’s period. The guy even won an Oscar. But yeah, his performance in Jupiter Ascending was downright embarrassing. Even Fantastic Beasts hasn’t gone anywhere (not his fault in itself, but I don’t think he quite carried those films as one would suspect with his fame). He likely had a kid or is concentrating on theatre or whatever, but he’s not really done anything as major as one would expect past 2020. Maybe I’m being harsh on him, but it’s always been a bit strange to me that he got as far as he did. Maybe The Jackal will change my opinion of him.
    Covid lockdown obviously threw a spanner into the works for many projects, I don't think you can point to anything around that area and say a gap suggests a career issue. Looking at the two-year gap between the first Fantastic Beasts film and the second, the four-year gap between 2 and 3 I assume was caused by Covid. They're big films requiring a decent amount of PR appearances, it's not surprising he hasn't done a lot of other projects in between. He was the lead in critically acclaimed The Trial of the Chicago 7,and though his role wasn't the scene-stealer that Sasha Baron Cohen's was, he was fine in the part.

    I'm not a huge fan of his, I don't want to see him as Bond, but I think it's just biased to say say that he's having problems. If he was in a big hit I imagine people would be saying he's too successful to be Bond.
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