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The Wizarding World of Harry Potter and the Works of JK Rowling

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited June 6 Posts: 8,400
    If I were JK I would have kept everything quiet on the potter front, not done the cursed child or the fantastic beasts films, and spent the last 10 years plotting out a new set of potter films, set when Harry's kid is at hogwarts. By now they could have announced the original cast is returning and the whole phenomenon of the early 2000's would basically be happening again.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Just as an aside (not wanting to start a debate on this here), I can tolerate (though not necessarily share) Rowling's "prejudices" - which were absolutely mainstream and non-controversial not so long ago. I think that there is quite a difference to saying outright racist or sexist things. At least her opinions are no reason for "cancelling" her. Just saying.

    My own favourite Harry Potter movies are the first two (Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone and Chamber of Secrets). I love all the others as well (though I find it questionable that they spread out the last book into two movies... reminds me of Peter Jackson splitting the single book The Hobbit into three films - didn't work either). But the initial instalments are for me what Harry Potter is about. Couldn't really sort the others.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I think JKR can have her opinion in the matter and I resent some of the actors who owe her their career for turning against her the way they did.

    And even if I had an issue with her, I'd still be able to forget that while reading her books or watching the movies inspired on those books.

    I do, however, wonder why FB has turned into such a messy thing. Too much going on, not enough tension?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,400
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Just as an aside (not wanting to start a debate on this here), I can tolerate (though not necessarily share) Rowling's "prejudices" - which were absolutely mainstream and non-controversial not so long ago. I think that there is quite a difference to saying outright racist or sexist things. At least her opinions are no reason for "cancelling" her. Just saying.

    My own favourite Harry Potter movies are the first two (Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone and Chamber of Secrets). I love all the others as well (though I find it questionable that they spread out the last book into two movies... reminds me of Peter Jackson splitting the single book The Hobbit into three films - didn't work either). But the initial instalments are for me what Harry Potter is about. Couldn't really sort the others.

    I wholeheartedly agree, the second film in particular is my favourite. Those 2 feel like real cozy adventures inside Hogwarts Castle, whereas after a certain point it became about an overwhelming outside threat, and lost some of its charm.

    I also agree that we live in supposedly free countries, and JK is entitled to her views. Free expression applies whether the views expressed are controversial in nature or not.

    @DarthDimi Sadly I think the wizarding world is as connected to Harry Potter as Star Wars is to the Skywalker family.

    Like I say, if I were JK I would have shut down all new Potter works after the films ended in 2010, and then begun work on the new books with harry as an adult and his son at hogwarts, planning everything out ahead of time. My worry is now, we might never see the original cast in a proper film again.

    We all have our nickpicks with EON but they do a darn sight better job than these other folk of managing their properties, that's for certain.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 25,154
    Harry Potter Series at HBO Finds Its Showrunner and Director
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/harry-potter-hbo-series-writer-director-1235932569/
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited July 10 Posts: 24,184
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Harry Potter Series at HBO Finds Its Showrunner and Director
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/harry-potter-hbo-series-writer-director-1235932569/

    I can't really make out what the plan is. Are they simply going to retell the entire HP saga, or will this series offer fresh, new story material? Either way, something says "too soon" to me. Not that long ago, we suffered through the Secrets of Dumbledore.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 10 Posts: 25,154
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Harry Potter Series at HBO Finds Its Showrunner and Director
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/harry-potter-hbo-series-writer-director-1235932569/

    I can't really make out what the plan is. Are they simply going to retell the entire HP saga, or will this series offer fresh, new story material? Either way, something says "too soon" to me. Not that long ago, we suffered through the Secrets of Dumbledore.

    I think they are doing the entire saga again though in much more depth than the films, a lot from the books was omitted from the movies.

    I am looking forward to the series, I was quite late to the films I only discovered the 3rd film when an ex girlfriend put it on and then I had to go back and watch the earlier chapters. Now I have a very nice Bluray Box set of the series.

    Secrets of Dumbledore     is the only film from the Potter universe I don't own it really was very disappointing, Tina not being in the film was a crime to cinema.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,184
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Harry Potter Series at HBO Finds Its Showrunner and Director
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/harry-potter-hbo-series-writer-director-1235932569/

    I can't really make out what the plan is. Are they simply going to retell the entire HP saga, or will this series offer fresh, new story material? Either way, something says "too soon" to me. Not that long ago, we suffered through the Secrets of Dumbledore.

    I think they are doing the entire saga again though in much more depth than the films, a lot from the books was omitted from the movies.

    I'm not sure how I feel about that. I've read the books, and yes, a lot of story material never made it into the films. On the other hand, I cannot imagine different actors in the roles, or a different look (or sound) than the films. Also, some parts of the books were faithfully adapted, and almost reproduced verbatim. If a TV series doesn't want to simply copy specific scenes from the films, it will have to change stuff, which would seem odd if the plan is to throw all the literary material on screen. It would likewise be odd if scenes from the films were just redone.

    I'm more than anything else confused as to why anyone would want to adapt the Potter books so impossibly soon. It hasn't even been 15 years since Deathly Hallows pt. 2. And these films continue to sell well and find new fans. They are still about as fresh as when they came out. So what's the point? The film collection is perfectly satisfying. And whoever is looking for more, should read the books.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,718
    Good bye Professor McGonagall. :-(

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgk7375ngkxo
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,434
    Another sad day! My oldest son was quite upset by the news.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited November 12 Posts: 4,520
    https://www.darkhorizons.com/mark-rylance-wanted-for-dumbledore/
    Mark Rylance Wanted For Dumbledore
    By Garth FranklinMonday, November 11th 2024 12:02 pm

    Acclaimed actor Mark Rylance (“Bridge of Spies,” “The BFG”) is reportedly at the very top of the casting wishlist for the new HBO “Harry Potter” series.

    Variety broke the news, saying Rylance is said to be in the mix to take on the role of Hogwarts headmaster Dumbledore.

    The trade indicates Warner Bros. Television hasn’t yet entered into negotiations with the actor – but they have reportedly reached out to see if he’s available and interested.

    HBO was asked about the report, and told the trade: “We appreciate that such a high profile series will draw a lot of rumor and speculation. As we make our way through pre-production, we will only confirm details as we finalize deals.”

    It’s expected the leads for the show will be newcomers as a casting call for kids aged between 9 and 11 took place earlier this Fall.

    The adult cast though will likely include some famed UK actors, but the challenge there will be cast having to commit to potentially seven seasons.

    Source: Variety

    I consider him earlier as Sloghorn, in 6th novel who is introduced by Dumbledore. In the movie played by Jim Broadbent.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Can't they just leave the Potter business alone? The books were good, the films were enjoyable, and there were a satisfying 7 and 8 of them respectively. Then Fantastic Beasts rolled up its sleeves and punched the parent series till its nose bled.

    Meanwhile, Johnny Depp was fired over allegations that turned into a media spectacle and Rowling found herself trapped in a frenzy over the definition of 'women'. The costly FB disaster combined with the weird turmoil in the sewer pit of the Internet a.k.a. "social" media have already left a stink on Harry Potter that not even the best wizard deodorant can whiff away. Common sense dictates that Potter and his friends are best served by many years of radio silence until Death Eaters in Hollywood and on low-IQ platforms like Twitter/X, Facebook and Instagram have turned their backs aways from them. While HBO is known for delivering quality, I am not at all looking forward to anything new here for a very long time.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited November 13 Posts: 4,166
    I suppose you can make a case that a television series is a slightly more effective way of telling the stories. There’s a lot in those books from what I understand that the films just couldn’t quite fit in. Even watching the third film (which I like) I remember being very confused due to quite major plot details not being effectively conveyed. It’s actually a bit tricky for me keeping up with everything in the last two or even three films as I’ve not read those books and certain things go over my head.

    That said I’m not going to watch the show anyway. Never enjoyed the books I read and past film three I tend to check out.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I liked the books and films. But I've had the full meal several times already and I don't need sloppy seconds.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I liked the books and films. But I've had the full meal several times already and I don't need sloppy seconds.

    Not tempted by an after dinner Fantastic Beasts then?
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,041
    I'm with @DarthDimi. I read all the Harry Potter books, one after another, when they came out, and some of them twice. I watched all the movies at least twice, though for addditional rewatches my wife and I tend to always pick the first two, since we find them to be the closest to the books and the most relatable - in other words, they are my two favourite HP films. Also, they're Christmas movies, if one is tired of Die Hard.

    However, I had and still have absolutely no impulse to watch any of those Fantastic Beast or whatever spinoffs there may have been so far. They just can only be disappointing in comparison.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,184
    And they are, @j_w_pepper! My wife and I went for a "romantic" experience seeing the next film in the Wizarding World series back when FB came out. We were jazzed. When we left the theatre afterwards, it was in cold silence. Once outside the building, we started talking about the food we'd had earlier that day. FB had been money ill spent so we didn't want to think about it.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,434
    In a way this will be interesting to see how it plays out. I say interesting because many people on here have indicated they would like a faithful adaptation of the Fleming novels. We will see how people react to a faithful adaptation of Rowling's. Is there an audience there? Is the audience wide and deep enough to drive some ratings or streams.

    I tend to think most are like @DarthDimi when it comes to a TV show about Potter. I also think a faithful adapation of Fleming would result in similarly low ratings as you are likely appealing to the hard core fans.

  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited November 17 Posts: 686
    thedove wrote: »
    In a way this will be interesting to see how it plays out. I say interesting because many people on here have indicated they would like a faithful adaptation of the Fleming novels. We will see how people react to a faithful adaptation of Rowling's. Is there an audience there? Is the audience wide and deep enough to drive some ratings or streams.

    I tend to think most are like @DarthDimi when it comes to a TV show about Potter. I also think a faithful adapation of Fleming would result in similarly low ratings as you are likely appealing to the hard core fans.

    I think there's a better argument to be made for a Bond TV show (though I'm not pushing for it myself) since most of the novels weren't faithfully adapted. While some Potter fans might resent the movies for streamlining so much of the plots of the later books, compare that to a film like YOLT, which aside from a few characters, plot points, and the setting, is a totally different story.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Can't they just leave the Potter business alone? The books were good, the films were enjoyable, and there were a satisfying 7 and 8 of them respectively. Then Fantastic Beasts rolled up its sleeves and punched the parent series till its nose bled.

    Meanwhile, Johnny Depp was fired over allegations that turned into a media spectacle and Rowling found herself trapped in a frenzy over the definition of 'women'. The costly FB disaster combined with the weird turmoil in the sewer pit of the Internet a.k.a. "social" media have already left a stink on Harry Potter that not even the best wizard deodorant can whiff away. Common sense dictates that Potter and his friends are best served by many years of radio silence until Death Eaters in Hollywood and on low-IQ platforms like Twitter/X, Facebook and Instagram have turned their backs aways from them. While HBO is known for delivering quality, I am not at all looking forward to anything new here for a very long time.

    I fear no film series is allowed to rest anymore. There always has to be more.

    One of my earliest memories is watching the first two films on videotape in the early-00s and they're pretty much burned in my brain as a result. And of course, the third one is just wonderful. Fantasy doesn't hold much appeal to me as an adult, but if the ones that came after captured the same magic (pun intended) of those first three, I'd probably be a much bigger HP fan today.
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